In keeping with the previous post of aspie's/autie's not being as innocent as they seem, I was sad to see this story of an innocent sociopath being tormented by people with asperger's/autism. I guess being empathy-challenged makes aspie's/autie's excellent bullies:
I got involved in a forum war on Aspergia three years ago, in which I was arguing that a sociopath’s neurodiversity should be respected just like everyone else’s. The argument got started after a woman who was a clinical sociopath started posting on Aspergia’s forum. She had a very poor understanding of other people’s emotions, and she habitually made provocative statements as a way of getting responses that were strong enough for her to understand. Although she knew this wasn’t the ideal way to interact with people, she didn’t know what else to do. She came to Aspergia to learn how autistics dealt with the problem of misunderstanding emotions.First of all, I want to know what is this aspergia and what happened to this woman?Second, I wonder why she would be on an asperger's/autism site for advice on understanding emotions. That seems like the blind leading the blind to me. But fellow sociopaths, be warned that you will get even less acceptance from the rest of the empathy-challenged community than you will from the empaths themselves, to their eternal shame.
Of course, she didn’t explain all of this forthrightly and ask for help. I don’t think she was capable of expressing her intentions so clearly. Several of us dragged it out of her after a long, convoluted discussion that literally went on for days. After we figured out why she was there, a few of us started giving her advice on constructive ways to ask people about their feelings without being manipulative.
Unfortunately, by then she had already annoyed several other members of the forum with her confusing and provocative writing style, and they got together and decided to hound her off the forum with a barrage of nasty personal insults and rants about sociopaths. The poor woman did her best to avoid taking the bait and to practice writing friendly, non-provocative posts, but it didn’t matter what she wrote—they bashed it, and her, mercilessly.
I told them they should be ashamed of themselves for bullying a person because of her neurology on an autistic rights forum. The resulting argument went on for two months.
I’m not trying to start a war here, but I do feel it’s necessary to say this: Sociopaths have a cognitive disability. They’re not necessarily evil, and they can be taught more positive ways of interacting with people. And I am very strongly opposed to demonizing any group of people on the basis of their neurology.
Innocent sociopath, ha.
ReplyDeleteAs a sociopath, I totally condone the empath's babying and favoring Aspie's more. Why? Sure, they lack empathy, but aren't conscience-deficient. My father's an aspie and I've dated an aspie (who now remains a friend and a very useful resource for the reason I'm about to get into) and they get "stuck" on pure moralistic codes.
Total obedience and the purest observation of moral code (much better than empaths) seem to characterize them. Sure, they cannot gauge situational right or wrong in a social context but they adhere to moral absolutes and to me, are generally blameless in that their intent is never to use people and is much more child-like in nature.
Also, I've found that aspies can be made to feel an emotional understanding through music or movies. They do so love their movies.
I suppose I just feel that trying to put us on the same page as aspie's is the namby-pamby way out when there's much more fun to be had simply remaining unidentified rather than accepted as defected.
I would say that it isn't just those of us on the spectrum that are neurodivergents, but anybody whose brain had atypical development io the womb. Spectrumites are just one end of the neurodivergent spectrum. I am an Aspie.
ReplyDeleteI have to agree with Jane. To a sociopath recognition and acceptance can only help to create problems where there need not be any.
ReplyDeleteOther than that, it surprises me somewhat that you seem surprised that people with Asperger's aren't "nice". Truth is, of course, that there're assholes everywhere, and aspies are no exception. I've actually witnessed this first hand with a person whom I - if it wasn't because I fairly easy can recognize emotion in others - would've thought him to be a sociopath and not a person with Asperger's.
Asperger's is in itself as varied as other personality types, and not all aspies have the same level or same kinds of social deficiencies. This guy actually attempted to manipulate me, I'm still paying him back for it. And on that note - again agreeing with Jane: Aspies (and the guy I'm referring to as well) may attempt to manipulate, but they do it from a childlike basis.
As we know, children generally have just as strong emotions as do adult neurotypical people, but they lack the social know-how and their emotions haven't developed into the "finer" varieties that adults display ... And be it as it may: Children can be very, very nasty toward others, and the more intelligent ones will, given the opportunity, try to manipulate not only other children but adults too.
I understand your reaction to the experience you describe, M.E., you obviously have a strong sympathy for the group you have chosen to represent, and I can only say that I agree with you on a certain level: I don't see any reason to reject another being solely on the basis of their neurological make up. It's their actions - and one's own ability to deal with them - that counts!
*******
@Jane,
I have noticed those moral hang-ups in aspies that you mention as well. It always puzzles me, because these people are often highly intelligent and operate their understandings of the neurotypical world with logics.
Maybe I can ask...
@Hugo Wagner,
being an aspie yourself, would you perhaps have any insight to share on this matter?
Zhawq.
Oh, I forgot to mention, M.E., the link "this story" leads to a discussion about Autism Vaccines.
ReplyDeleteZhawq.
I agree, these "losers" are the most self-Adsorb dipshits you will ever the unfortunate misfortune to know. I've met and even posted on the forums of the Wrong headed Planet. They can be quite cruel (in of course a rather crude and boring way) and tend cite the norms of society (without actually thinking about what really is right or wrong) then expunging such drivel for the world to see.
ReplyDeleteSadly, their kind is embraced by the empaths as "can become useful member of society". Some people can be quite blind, can't they? Perhaps their gullibility is what most empaths count on. Hey, "easy to manipulate and use, oh goodie, free slave labor" Haha
Jealous, at least they don't hide behind a mask. If you really wanted acceptance you wouldn't use the trust you gain against them. Not all empath's are sucker's we can be loyal but you make it a lose, lose situation with your alterior motive's.
ReplyDelete@ zhawq: Because sociopath's PDs were created in their developing brains, they're NDs. That's logic. Because it's wrong for NTs to bully us, it's wrong for any person to bully anybody. That's logic.
ReplyDeleteAll of you sociopaths are total hypocrites who misunderstand empaths and aspies. What gives you the right to do whatever you want to other people? You're all just bigots who are self-righteous.
ReplyDeleteI happen to like empaths and aspies because I can sympathize with them. But you sociopaths don't care about anyone, except maybe yourselves. You're just insensitive, biased, and judgmental with your heads in your asses.
And who says that sociopaths aren't necessarily evil? I don't believe that in the least.
If I were you, I'd leave empaths and aspies alone. Why can't you just let go of your narcissistic egos and let them be?
P.S. Hugo you're right that it's wrong to bully others. I may not be a goody-goody. But I don't support bullying and sociopathy, and never will.
You're just insensitive, biased, and judgmental with your heads in your asses.
ReplyDeleteRight back atcha, sport.
Fuck off, dickhead.
Deleteare you serious? you've got it the other way around. aspies just want to be left alone. it's sociopaths like you who make it look like they're bullying you.
ReplyDelete@postmodern sociopath:
'look who's talking.'
You tell him or her, fellow anti-sociopath.
DeleteSociopaths are extremely adept at playing the pity card and convincing others that so-and-so bullied them. They are truly wolves in sheep clothing. Cut the crap.
ReplyDeleteI've tried to put myself in the shoes of a S/P to figure out how they do this and am totally stumped. Wouldn't know where to begin and wouldn't be convincing enough.
Yeah, no kidding.
Delete" an innocent sociopath"
ReplyDeleteOne of us does not understand what a sociopath is.
Yes, I'm sure the S/P's feelings were genuinely hurt. *facepalm*
ReplyDeleteI suspect this is more a case of "butt-hurt" in that the attempted pity grab failed. This isn't surprising.
I see what you mean.
DeleteOkay, I don't understand why some of the Aspies were cruel to the person on the forum after she made efforts to improve her communication style; that seems morally incorrect to me. But I also don't understand why she would be deliberately "provocative" in the first place. Maybe it's my inexperience with sociopaths, but if provoking a bunch of people wasn't her intention, didn't she have any safer ways to express herself?
ReplyDeleteI don't like being mean to people >_<
ReplyDeleteI like to help people :D
I went to graduate school for engineering. I'm an empath who's also really good at math. Lived and worked in a veritable sea of aspies. Lots of you guys are bullies, controlling, abusive.
ReplyDeleteI'm with you on everything that you posted.
DeleteSince you complained about aspies bullying innocent sociopaths, I'd like to warn people who bullies and are against those who are against bullying. One of them's a guy whose name is Izzy Kalman. And these are examples of websites where you can find him in:
ReplyDelete1. http://www.psychologytoday.com/experts/izzy-kalman
2. http://bullies2buddies.com/
3. https://twitter.com/IzzyKalman
There are also other websites that support bullying. And these are them:
1. http://archive.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=4332741740&ShowSims=Y
2. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.394589-Bullying-Stop-the-complaining
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q0fkgQ83cE
4. https://www.facebook.com/crybabiessolvenoproblems
Actually, the first site in the second list above this paragraph doesn't support bullying. But some jerkass whose username is Jay L D J Cousins posted this:
"OH MY LORD JESUS OF HEAVEN ! HOW SAD IS THIS GROUP HAHAAHA LET PEOPLE GET BULLIE, IT GETS THEM USED TO FUTURE LIFE.. HOW YOU ASK ? I DONTKOW, BUT IT DOES.. LOL ANYWAYSS... By Jaay x x x x x x x"
If you won't tolerate bullying anymore, then I suggest you contact those jerks. And because you troll the Web all the time, I suggest that you do the same to those bully-supporting numbskulls.
What do you say?
I believe that she thought that aspies and auties would be more accepting and may be they could help because i as being a sociopath asked for help from emapths and they were very brutal not as brutal as the auties and the aspies but still brutal and shortly after i found your site
ReplyDeleteI would love to connect Professional research paper writer assignmentmountains.com however I do nay comprehend what criteria they wear for beginners love me. I receive written expositions in my unrestrained stretch further acquire been sharing your cooperative lagniappes to enrich on this.
ReplyDeleteReally great post nice work i love your work. Thanks. Keep sharing.
ReplyDeleteVietnam Visa Online
Way to go, spammer. that should show the maker of this blog what a liar he is. After all, it's aspies who get bullied and not sociopaths since the second of them aren't really innocent.
ReplyDeleteIf a cat got a thorn stuck in it's paw, and you knew it didn't care about you, you should still take the thorn out if you consider yourself kind. I don't think your kindness should depend on whether the cat cares about you or not, especially since it's the cat's nature. ~ I'm an aspie...
ReplyDeleteThanks for the best blog.it was very useful for me.keep sharing such ideas in the future as well.
ReplyDeleteVisit to pacman games play happy wheels games and little pony games . see more games unblockedgames or unblocked games kizi
Thanks for sharing. I hope it will be helpful for too many people that are searching for this topic.
ReplyDeleteMovers and Packers in Hyderabad
Movers and Packers in Bangalore
Movers and Packers in Pune
Packers and Movers India
Happy Ganesh Chaturthi SMS
ReplyDeleteGanesh Chaturthi SMS in Hindi
Ganesh Chaturthi SMS in Marathi, Hindi
Ganesh Chaturthi in Marathi Language, SMS, Wishes, Quotes, Messages
Ganpati Bappa SMS in Hindi, Marathi, Ganesh Chaturthi SMS, Ganpati Bappa Quotes
Salman Khan Upcoming Movies
Android M Features
Xperia Z5 Specifications
Sultan Star Cast
Uncoming Hindi Movies 2016
Gandhi Jayanti SMS
ReplyDeleteHappy Gandhi Jayanti
Gandhi Jayanti Images
Thank you for the nice article.
ReplyDeletepackers and movers pune
packers and movers hyderabad
movers and packers pune
packers and movers mumbai
This is a great article. Your information is very rich, it helps me have more knowledge about life. I'll share this article with my friends.
ReplyDeletehappy wheels ,
descargar whatsapp ,
baixar whatsapp ,
mobogenie ,
descargar facebook ,
descargar whatsapp ,
descargar whatsapp gratis ,
baixar whatsapp gratis ,
descargar whatsapp ,
android market ,
agario
Happy Gurpurab
ReplyDeleteGuru Nanak Jayanti Images
Guru Nanak Jayanti
26 January Images
Hate Story 3 Zarine Khan
Hate Story 3 Hot Zarine Khan
Hot Zarine Khan in Hate Story 3
Valentines day 2016
ReplyDeleteHappy Valentines day 2016
Happy Valentines day
Valentine's day 2016
Funny Valentines Day Quotes
Valentine Week List 2016
Valentines Day Quotes
Happy Valentines Day Quotes
fathers day quotes
fathers day messages
fathers day poems
Easter Quotes From The Bible
Happy Easter Quotes
Easter Quotes
Thanks for Nice and Informative Post. This article is really contains lot more information about This Topic. -
ReplyDeleteMovers and Packers Chennai
Movers and Packers Faridabad
Movers and Packers Noida
Valentine Week 2016 Calendar
ReplyDeleteValentine Week 2016 Calendar
Happy Valentines Day Messages for Boyfriend
Happy Valentine’s Day 2016 Wishes
Happy Teddy Day Wishes Images, SMS & Messages for Him Her, GF BF
Happy Kiss Day SMS in English
No matter if some one searches for his required thing,
ReplyDeletetherefore he/she desires to be available that in detail, so that thing is maintained over here.
http://goo.gl/UzRGnv شركة مكافحة حشرات بالخبر
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/12/10/washing-and-tank-cleaning-company-qatif/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/11/29/company-combating-bed-bugs-in-dammam/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/11/27/pest-control-companies-qatif-2/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/11/20/termite-control-company-bbakiq/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/11/01/termite-control-company-qatif/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/11/01/termite-control-company-in-dammam/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/11/02/pest-control-companies-qatif/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/11/02/anti-bugs-company-in-dammam/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/11/05/anti-bugs-and-cockroaches-qatif-company/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/11/06/company-combating-bugs-and-termites-qatif/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh2Jx_Bt_J4
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/11/12/how-to-combat-bugs-qatif/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/11/06/company-combating-bugs-and-termites-in-dammam/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/21/pest-control-company-qatif/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/21/the-facades-of-buildings-washing-company-in-dammam/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/21/washing-and-cleaning-company-villas-in-dammam/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/18/washing-and-cleaning-company-amaar-dammam/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/18/carpets-washing-qatif-company/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/16/swimming-pools-washing-company-in-dammam/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/16/sofas-washing-company-with-perfuming-qatif/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/16/washing-carpet-company-in-dammam/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/16/tatters-washing-company-in-dammam/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/16/aldoblexat-washing-qatif-company/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/15/company-cleaning-and-sterilizing-tanks-in-dammam/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/15/cleaning-company-mosques-in-dammam/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/15/cleaning-parks-in-dammam/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/14/%d8%b4%d8%b1%d9%83%d8%a9-%d8%aa%d9%86%d8%b8%d9%8a%d9%81-%d8%ae%d8%b2%d8%a7%d9%86%d8%a7%d8%aa-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%af%d9%85%d8%a7%d9%85/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/27/%d8%b4%d8%b1%d9%83%d8%a9-%d8%aa%d9%86%d8%b8%d9%8a%d9%81-%d9%85%d8%af%d8%a7%d8%b1%d8%b3-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%af%d9%85%d8%a7%d9%85/
ReplyDeletehttp://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/24/cleaning-houses-qatif-company/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/24/cleaning-houses-rastanorah-company/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/24/cleaning-houses-bbakiq-company/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/24/company-termite-control-and-black-qatif/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/24/company-cleaning-swimming-pools-qatif/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/22/cleaning-company-in-dammam/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/22/%d8%b4%d8%b1%d9%83%d8%a9-%d9%86%d8%b8%d8%a7%d9%81%d8%a9-%d8%a8%d8%b1%d8%a3%d8%b3-%d8%aa%d9%86%d9%88%d8%b1%d8%a9/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/22/general-cleanliness-bbakiq-company/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/2015/10/22/anti-bugs-company-qatif/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/category/%D8%AE%D8%AF%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%86%D8%B8%D9%8A%D9%81-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B7%D9%82%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D8%B1%D9%82%D9%8A%D8%A9/
http://cleaning-dammam.com/category/%D8%AE%D8%AF%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D9%85%D9%83%D8%A7%D9%81%D8%AD%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D8%B4%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B7%D9%82%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D8%B1%D9%82%D9%8A/
This is a really super post. Must admit that you are amid the best writer I have read. I appreciate your making the effort to discuss this class of article.
ReplyDelete- usps tracking
- weather
- youtube to mp3
- facebook video downloader
Thanks for sharing informative post with us.
ReplyDeletevisitor monitoring software
appointment scheduling software
Many thanks for your personal sharing. We experience more than happy about that. You should also consider their finest game titles with our free currently to find the sense of exciting that brings.
ReplyDeleteqwop game | qwop 2 game | barbie dream house sale
ReplyDeleteAmazing! I'm going to begin collecting ties.
Should you create a skirt from ties whose origins you do not know, have it dry cleaned soon after, then you just purchase a skirt rather than fifteen ties.
Kathy
games at school | happy wheels cool games | Gunblood Hacked
Thanks for sharing informative post with us.
ReplyDeleteMumbai Airport Drop Service from Pune
pune mumbai taxi service pune station
All fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.
ReplyDelete- Quotes about love
- Fancam Kpop
الان يمكنكم الحصول على تركيب مظلات سيارات بأقل التكاليف واجود انواع الخامات , من خلال مؤسسة السبيعى زوروا موقعنا واتصلوا بنا الان
ReplyDelete0501401148
www.alsobaee.com/2016/02/umbrellas-cars-price-animated.html
موقع ايجى هلب يقدم لكم مركز صيانة سامسونج المعتمد الذى يقوم بصيانة الاجهزه الكهربائية سامسونج بأرخص الاسعار , لمزيد من التفاصيل زوروا موقعنا .
ReplyDeletehttp://goo.gl/q2LQqN
لمزيد من المعلومات حول شركة نقل عفش بجدة يمكنكم زياره موقعنا عبر الرابط الاتى , مؤسسة الهامة العالمية فى خدمتكم دائما .
ReplyDelete0553121777
http://www.xn-----jtdlp1a8a2dguu.com/
احصلوا الان على خدمه صيانة كاريير باقل من اسعار السوق لمزيد من المعلومات زوروا موقعنا الان وتابعوا العديد من خدماتنا المتنوعه .
ReplyDeletehttp://carriermaintenance.com/
يمكنكم الان طلب خدمة عزل الخزانات من خلال شركة عزل خزانات بمكة بارخص الاسعار , لمزيد من التفاصيل زوروا موقعنا الان .
ReplyDelete0555705619
http://www.el3nod.com/1/company-tanks-isolation-cleaning-mecca
اليكم الان شركة تخزين اثاث بالرياض من خلال مؤسسة التفوق لخدمات النقل والتخزين للاثاث المنزلى , اتصلوا بنا لمزيد من المعلومات .
ReplyDelete0550074416
http://goo.gl/0qdD5Q
يوجد الان خدمه مكافحة الحشرات فى ابو ظبي بأرخص الاسعار من خلال شركة مزايا كلين للتنظيف , زوروا موقعنا لمعرفة المزيد من المعلومات , اتصلوا بنا .
ReplyDelete02-6650399
http://www.mazayapestcontrol.com/Ar/
my name pix
ReplyDeleteAWESOME IMAGES AND BIRTHDAY CAKES WITH NAME
write name on cakes and jewerly
happy birthday cake with name
HAPPY ANNIVERSARY CAKE WITH NAMES WISHES
HAPPY BIRTHDAY CAKE IMAGES WITH NAME EDITOR
Happy Birthday Cakes Images and Birthday Wishes Pictures
happy birthday cakes with wishes for wife
happy birthday cakes with wishes for husband
happy birthday cakes with wishes for kids
happy birthday cakes with wishes for friends
happy birthday cakes with wishes for sister
happy birthday cakes with wishes for brothers
happy birthday cakes with wishes for bosy
happy birthday cakes with wishes for girls
happy birthday cake in heart shape hd images
chocolate birthday cake with wishes
Happy Birthday Cake With Wishes for janu
happy birthday cake with wishes for boss
happy birthday cakes with wishes for chachi
fuck that website and you sociopaths who inhabit it!
ReplyDelete