Sociopathy is a personality disorder. We are unusually impressionable, very flexible with our sense of self, and with our defining characteristics. Because we don't have a rigid self-image or worldview, we don't observe social norms, we don't have a moral compass, and we have a fluid definition of right and wrong. We can also be shapeshifters, smooth-talking, and charming. We can become your ideal mate, in a way described here and here. We do not have an established default position on anything. This extends, at least in some degree, to our sexuality.
The original diagnostic and statistical manual (DSM), released in 1952, listed homosexuality as a sociopathic personality disturbance. The connection between the two was subsequently removed due to protests from the gay community that homosexuality was being equated with sociopathy. Many have commented since that sociopaths seem to have no particular sexual identity, that even the term bisexual is misleading as it implies some sort of a preference, albeit a shared one, and that "equal opportunity" is a more apt label. In fact, the sociopath seems to be the bonobo of the human world -- frequent, casual, utilitarian sex. As one person reasoned, "such an individual, in their quest for dominance and power would not feel the need to discriminate according to gender."
We see fictional examples of the sociopathic "bisexual" with the talented Mr. Ripley, Joker from Batman (depending on who writes him), and real life examples with Leopold and Loeb and others listed here. If I had to speculate about current celebrities, I would also include Angelina Jolie, Tom Cruise, and Lindsay Lohan, although narcissism could apply equally well for some of those.
I was thinking about all of this while reading an article on Sir Laurence Olivier's sexual predilections. Although married three times, he apparently also had many male interests, one of whom explained it as follows:
The original diagnostic and statistical manual (DSM), released in 1952, listed homosexuality as a sociopathic personality disturbance. The connection between the two was subsequently removed due to protests from the gay community that homosexuality was being equated with sociopathy. Many have commented since that sociopaths seem to have no particular sexual identity, that even the term bisexual is misleading as it implies some sort of a preference, albeit a shared one, and that "equal opportunity" is a more apt label. In fact, the sociopath seems to be the bonobo of the human world -- frequent, casual, utilitarian sex. As one person reasoned, "such an individual, in their quest for dominance and power would not feel the need to discriminate according to gender."
We see fictional examples of the sociopathic "bisexual" with the talented Mr. Ripley, Joker from Batman (depending on who writes him), and real life examples with Leopold and Loeb and others listed here. If I had to speculate about current celebrities, I would also include Angelina Jolie, Tom Cruise, and Lindsay Lohan, although narcissism could apply equally well for some of those.
I was thinking about all of this while reading an article on Sir Laurence Olivier's sexual predilections. Although married three times, he apparently also had many male interests, one of whom explained it as follows:
"He's like a blank page and he'll be whatever you want him to be. He'll wait for you to give him a cue, and then he'll try to be that sort of person."Maybe larry wasn't a sociopath, maybe he was, but he shared with sociopaths the common characteristic of a weak sense of self, and he illustrates well how that might play out with one's sexual identity. In any case, the lesson learned here is not only does being a sociopath potentially make you a great thespian, it also gives new meaning to the old consolation, "there are plenty more fish in the sea."
One advantage of having a flexible sense of self is seeing how illusory the self really is. Some of the latest findings in neuroscience, not to mention the insights of religious monastics from both East and West, indicate that there is in fact no self, at least not in the way most people believe. Ironically, this so called “disorder” makes it easier for the sociopath to clearly see and take full advantage of, the actual nature of personal identity.
ReplyDeleteYou are confusing that study / theory / information with Sociopaths that have lack of empathy and other cognitive deficits. That's not at all what they are implying. They have all and nothing. Sociopaths have nothing and nothing.
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DeleteDaniel - your point is an interesting one, and addresses one aspect of the dharma and/or recent scientific studies in consciousness. There are other aspects, though, that may be difficult for one without empathy (or sufficient empathy) to understand. Personally, I cannot agree that the "empty" nature of personal identity is defined by the absence of identity. "Non-self" is not the "absence" of self. It is more than a dualistic appreciation of the lability of personality and "identity." Therefore, the non-dual nature of reality cannot be defined by saying that the absence of identity is realization of its opposite. Also, and perhaps less interesting to you, is that compassion is a concomitant aspect of "no-self." Without empathy, compassion is not possible. I will also say that reading posts on this site is interesting to me in that existing with a sociopathic personality may exclude you from empathy, or sufficient empathy, it does not exclude you from the subjective nature that I believe to be inherent in human existence. In other words, I don't see a lot of objectivity about the posters' abilities and/or role in this world - it appears that all of you are superior to "normals" in that your lack of empathy allows you to avoid any conversation with "other," in getting the job done, so to speak - and that compassion simply gets in the way of getting the job done. It seems to me that a lack of conversation with "other," including the "other" that is an illusion of mind precludes the actual experience of the true nature of reality. An objective observation of identity is said to be necessary in the realization of the non-dual nature of reality. Objectivity - and compassion for the state of, let's say nature - or what you view as your realization of the true nature of identity is not something to "take advantage of," is it? If the human population could actually experience realization of the true nature of identity/reality, there would be absolutely no need for advantage. I don't agree with some of these replies, for eg. that sociopathic personality disorder is somehow a "caveman" gene or something - that feels defensive and reactionary. If one ceases to believe that sociopaths are inherently superior because of their ability to "take advantage," and/or inherently incapable of controlling violent impulses, then it becomes easier to view the whole matter objectively. However, I have responded "anonymously" because I do not want any self-diagnosed or medically diagnosed sociopath to know anything about me. So, I am either controlled by stereo-type or irrational fear - or I am an interested, yet appropriately careful member of your "audience." Good luck in your endeavors. I can't help but hope that you consider an experiment - don't take advantage and see what happens. Can your ego accomodate not "winning?" - or not having some form of entertainment by moving up the success ladder? Boredom is boredom - for both sociopaths and normals. Isn't it what we choose to do in reaction to any state of mind that becomes the interesting state of being? Not in terms of what it may or may not do to others - or even self - but simply the pleasure of seeing the results of such an experiment? Ignoring the reaction and pushing away the boring nature of meaningless reality might be the easy way out...are you capable of actually living with the boredom of nihilistic existentialist...beliefs...? Please excuse me if I've misunderstood or become pendantic - if my comments have become part of the boring. Any conversation with your extreme position in this life of ours would be just too interesting for me not to make the attempt...
I am intrigued by the classification of this disorder, and am impressed that such people are willing to share their 'symptoms' with the general population. With no disrespect intended, do you as a sociopath, entertain the idea that your 'lack of self' is evident of a lack of soul? I would imagine that sociopaths being void of empathy and compassion would hence by default, be atheists, so the question may be moot. In addition, if you could change your state of mind and become a 'normal' empathic person with sound personality traits, would you? Thank you for sharing!
DeleteI will attempt to answer your question, as best I can, by first saying that were I given the opportunity to change my state of mind and alter my personality traits to a more 'normal' and empathetic state that I would not do so. To do so would be in contradiction with my current personality traits and state of mind, that I am superior to those of normal empathetic personality.
DeleteAlso to help your understanding I will try and clarify what I experience as lack of empathy. I do not experience it as an active state of ill will, but rather a passive state of an inability to share in there experience or a lack of a desire to do so.
In situations of indirect suffering of others I find difficulty relating often giving the response "not my problem" or "none of my business" and then go on to give it little to no more thought. While confronted with situations of direct suffering and emotional distress and grief in my presence I feel increasingly uncomfortable. As if their grief were in some why and impolite imposition.
Empathy is commonly divided into two types, emotional empathy or the act of actively being able to share in another persons emotions outside of your own experience and cognitive empathy or the ability to perceive the emotions of others and to understand them and their causes. Psychopaths are thought to possess cognitive empathy, having no trouble grasping the idea of other peoples emotions, but lacking in emotional empathy or being unable to synthesis and share in these emotions.
Also I do very much believe I posses a soul. I also believe there is a God and do subscribe to the traditional Christian faith, albeit in unconventional ways. I do not believe that lack of empathy is intrinsic to a lack of identity or a lack of self. I for one have no illusions about myself, nor is my identity ill defined but rather very unchangeable.
I hope my answers were satisfying.
I disagree regarding that no-self notion.
DeleteI've studied plenty of neuro/cognitive science & psych as well, but it doesn't lead to that conclusion. What I've found is similar, but importantly different.
Cultures' and individuals' social conventions / morality are pretty arbitrary, subjective, and always in flux (perhaps a flux too slow to become strongly apparent to most), sure. Expectations about the trustworthiness of others... when to follow one's whims blindly, or how often to calculate the consequences... is set by situational circumstance. The truth of the world is one of chaos void of universal truths, but that is not a world of nothing. Far from it [In fact one would say a world of complete and undisturbed order is more like a world of nothing]. It is dynamic, fluid, and interesting like the character of a sociopath. It is not no-self, but merely not a rigid self.
Yes, what disgusts people is a product of random variation. Nude beaches here, covered in robes there, or sex with beasts/minors whatever, a population has the potential to habituate to anything. Belief in anything else is just ignorant of how vicious sheep can be if they think you are evil, an enemy of the nation, or god, or vaguely sub-human; the hypocritical whimsy of it all is astounding, but it doesn't mean there is no-self, or that everything is meaningless.
A world without inherent meaning certainly isn't a meaningless world. It is simply one where if you refuse to change you will get left behind. No tower, person, or institution lasts forever- but they are still real things.
A massive flaw in the logic of typical humans is an inability to stand that lack of permanence. It craves structure and it craves to be controlled. It cannot handle the notion that evil can go unpunished, that people can be lost forever, that there is not some perfect love waiting for them, that there MUST be a place that they should belong that is their destiny.
An appreciation for labile structures and chaos is why I enjoy sociopath minds. Others of very high intelligence who usually have under-active emotional systems but a lot of left-brained logical cognitive approaches who aren't sociopaths can be really interesting too.
I'll stop there.
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DeleteAnd I forgot to be explicit about something.
Briefly.
Try as hard as you like.
You cannot become no-self and to think you can, or even that you can almost come close, and have no assumptions/judgements/dispositions is absolutely impossible. You cannot completely step outside of your existence because these shortcuts are necessary for learning or consciousness.
So please don't kid yourself.
You can't reach moral superiority through a state of complete nothingness.
In reference to that "blank page" comment near the end of the response, I often feel like that's just who I am. I feel like I'm a shapeless fluid who simply fits into the mixed personalities of the people I'm with. This leads me to be reckless and loud around rebellious teens, yet reserved and respectful around adults, especially those in high positions. When I'm alone I tend to either watch TV and base myself on fictional characters or watch my reflection and talk like I'm in an interview to see if I can make something out of myself. This used to depress me, as I felt like I didn't even really exist outside of the physical, but now I'm more accepting of my role of copy cat.
DeleteThere's TONS of data on this interesting topic of "sociopaths", in Dianetics and Scientology...
DeleteRead Science of Survival if you dare!!
This information will set anyone truly curious on edge and enlighten beyond belief...
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DeleteFixed identity is a social construct. It results from being shaped more by the societal script then ones own wishes, and most people fight to defend their identity as if its their own and are unaware of how it formed.
DeleteGiven the nature of the people on this website, I am fully aware nobody gives a damn but, I myself being a sociopath and a young one at that also, it is very challenging to pretend like you give a damn everyday. I only participate in relationships to benefit myself or to blend in but often times I become very enraged in having to do this. I long for a place where nobody gives a damn about social constructs or hurting other peoples feelings, oh wait, that's right I have the internet.
DeleteWe are the sea contained in one fish.
ReplyDeleteTo the anon post above, was that a reference to a higher being?, if not can you explain.
ReplyDeleteIt means that we can be whoever we want to as sociopaths.
Deletemy "friend" is also a sociopath, she sleeps with whoever she can have, i asked her do u like girls or guys more she said she didnt know, r u that way too?
DeleteMany psychopaths (psychopath here being interchangeable with sociopath) and normal people alike are not nearly self aware enough to be able to give a clear reasoning as to something like a lack of sexual orientation. This is not an uncommon phenomenon in psychopaths, have little or no preference or not knowing what your preference is as to the gender of your partner.
DeleteFor my part I experience this because emotional relationships exist simply to fulfill a need for me and that need can just as easily be fulfill by a man as it can by a woman. I can feed of the attentiveness and affections of a man just as easily as I could those of a woman, though I would not consider myself gay or even bisexual.
This is not to say, however, that as psychopaths were are simply opportunistic lovers who are incapable of love or uninterested in it. In fact I find just the opposite to be true. I love very readily and am not influenced by the gender of the individual. But rather a level of physical attraction and an ability to communicate well and hold a conversation. I find that if there's to criteria are met that I will quickly and deeply fall in love with the individual, especially if they reciprocate. I experience love as being very intense and consuming and generally very selfish. Though not usually intentionally so.
So intriguing. I feel the stirring I always have with other guys who are ambiguous.
DeleteTinkerbelle it sounds like some kind of pseudo-Zenny "pearl of wisdom" about one person being the universe and all is one and so on. In other words, it sounds like bullshit.
ReplyDeleteIt is Indian non-dualism and straight Buddhism, not pseudo at all. In a nice way he is trying to say that to an actually interesting or interested person, sociopath or whatever, mind games and silly power trips on other humans are low rent and boring.
DeleteThis post stayed with me because I believe it encapsulates one of the “sociopath’s” defining characteristics: the inability to believe in self. “Normal’s” have a more or less static sense of self. This sense of self includes but is not limited to beliefs about morality, politics, religion, and of course sexuality and gender. “Sociopaths”, not so much. My theory is that “sociopaths” are unable to believe the story the left hemisphere of the brain constantly spins about who and what the self is the way “normals” do. The aware “sociopath” knows he/she is wearing a mask. The “normals” believe the mask they wear is who they really are. The aware “sociopath” has a better chance of understanding humanity’s true nature as a result of his/her inability to believe while “normals” live and die by the cobweb of illusion their brains ceaselessly spin about the self. Metaphorically speaking, the aware and intelligent “socio/psychopath” is the last of mankind’s prophets. Their very existence serves as a living testimony to the nihilistic truth of the universe.
ReplyDeleteMark Twain said it well, (if a little melodramatically): “you are but a thought -- a vagrant thought, a useless thought, a homeless thought, wandering forlorn among the empty eternities!"
your a fucking crazy like my ex. Burn in hell.
DeleteHow is that crazy? Maybe you just didn't understand.
Deletewell said Daniel Bridick
DeleteRickMitchPaid out.
Sounds very much like my ex. But she was confused about her sexuality. Liking women made her embarassed although it exicted her tremendouly..I think she could not accept that she could nto be like everyone else.
DeleteI know one too who involved himself with a few same sex behaviours and liked it for a while. I suppose he either got bored after a while or did not want to associate himself with those behaviours; as he claimed not liking those things anymore. Yet he still maintained a kind of suggestive connection with same-sex flirting and touching. He will not touch but allowed to be touched.
DeleteThis at its best entertaining. Is it like the new EMO trend to be a psychopath? It appears that as anything... if you have to brag about it, simply you don't possess it. First of all to diagnose one with a PERSONALITY disorder that the person has a stagnant and fundamental possession of characteristics that are unwaivering. I, myself chose to refute that a personality is something that is fundamentally residing to a person.
DeleteIt is something that has been developed through conditioning. Reinforced by self-conditioning to preserve ones existence. To re condition requires de-conditioning. For example it a nuclear war wiped out most of the earth and its resources, famine sets in, the primal instinct to survive would surely take over. I don't know, there is people that lack the ability to have empathy, but i would be more likely to consider it demonic possession then a fundamental flaw in the human itself. Being married to one and currently getting my way to get out..... I have been exposed and experienced his lack of in my mind thinking outside his box called... Its all about me. society is simply a commodity to be used and disposed. A scientific way to justify egocentric qualities that are chosen to persist. I don't buy the personality side of it.
Sociopaths have a black-hole in their brains, where emotions are supposed to be. (Emotions like empathy for example). Sociopaths are like caveman, evolutionarily speaking. (Sociopathy is an earlier version of the Homo Sapiens brain. Which biologically representative of a time when early man didn't need to have empathy for others because survival of the fittest was Kill Or Be Killed / Rape To Reproduce If Necessary / Eat / Sex (Basic programs for survival). As man evolved they realized working together meant increased survival, and empathy and other emotions helped man get what they needed. (That's why Sociopaths have to fake empathy and other emotions to survive nowadays with the evolved man). Empathy and these other more advanced emotions helped man achieve greater things and helped each other succeed. (Evolution of the brain processes from caveman days). Sociopaths are rudimentary and an old version of Homo Sapiens. Its basic evolutionary psychology.
DeleteHi, I have been in a realationship with a socoipath for 14 plus years and need some help to try and heal is there anyone who will listen
DeleteTo all those who think they understand, because they are in fucked-up relationships with a socio... listen up. Living next to a volcano is not the same as being a volcano. You can espouse pyschological jargen you read in some text, or talk about your trauma... but its not the same as being within and looking upon the world through our eyes. You cannot empathise with us if our empathy is without base.
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Deletethat is grossly false. as a socio and a student of psychology I can assure you that we do have emotions. we simply do not have the full range or depth that neurotypicals possess. also socios are excellent at working with people if they have to and even better at getting groups of people to work for them. we become leaders who can think long term and make the hard decisions that are nessessary. without us to guide you use you to our benefits humanity would be far behind where we are today.
Brilliant example of a narcissist justifying their mirror kissing personality. What this particularly dense fuck fails to understand is that the leadership of a sociopath is always fundamentally flawed, we live in world where the vast majority of people experience the full spectrum of emotion, yet khan claims to believe that we are best guided by people who are totally unlike ourselves and furthermore have no regard for this reality. The sad truth is that the opposite is true, sociopaths have been leading people to destruction throughout the ages and have retarded progress to an incalculable degree. The sociopath is the salesman without a product.
DeleteI disagree regarding that no-self notion.
DeleteI've studied plenty of neuro/cognitive science & psych as well, but it doesn't lead to that conclusion. What I've found is similar, but importantly different.
Cultures' and individuals' social conventions / morality are pretty arbitrary, subjective, and always in flux (perhaps a flux too slow to become strongly apparent to most), sure. Expectations about the trustworthiness of others... when to follow one's whims blindly, or how often to calculate the consequences... is set by situational circumstance. The truth of the world is one of chaos void of universal truths, but that is not a world of nothing. Far from it [In fact one would say a world of complete and undisturbed order is more like a world of nothing]. It is dynamic, fluid, and interesting like the character of a sociopath. It is not no-self, but merely not a rigid self.
Yes, what disgusts people is a product of random variation. Nude beaches here, covered in robes there, or sex with beasts/minors whatever, a population has the potential to habituate to anything. Belief in anything else is just ignorant of how vicious sheep can be if they think you are evil, an enemy of the nation, or god, or vaguely sub-human; the hypocritical whimsy of it all is astounding, but it doesn't mean there is no-self, or that everything is meaningless.
A world without inherent meaning certainly isn't a meaningless world. It is simply one where if you refuse to change you will get left behind. No tower, person, or institution lasts forever- but they are still real things.
A massive flaw in the logic of typical humans is an inability to stand that lack of permanence. It craves structure and it craves to be controlled. It cannot handle the notion that evil can go unpunished, that people can be lost forever, that there is not some perfect love waiting for them, that there MUST be a place that they should belong that is their destiny.
An appreciation for labile structures and chaos is why I enjoy sociopath minds. Others of very high intelligence who usually have under-active emotional systems but a lot of left-brained logical cognitive approaches who aren't sociopaths can be really interesting too.
I'll stop there.
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Mr Birdick....what make's you happy?
ReplyDeleteIf sociopaths believe in nothingness and have no sense of self....what do you actually enjoy in life except "ruining" those around you. I did think that your post had a point, i understood your perspective, i really did, however what is there to look forward to in life if the left side of the brains hemisphere doesn't constantly spin a sense of self? Is life pointless?, You have me thinking now.
Hello Tinkerbelle.
ReplyDeleteWhat makes me happy? Jamaica Delights. Watching the sun rise over the ocean. The rich green color of freshly cut grass. Good music. A well delivered punch line. Cheesecake. Brilliant acting. A perfectly cooked T-bone steak. An expertly crafted movie, one where all the elements that go into great filmmaking are there on the screen. Watching my little niece run happily toward me. Devising effective stratagems to deal with the ceaseless power game that passes for “human adulthood”. I could go on and on, but you get the point. I enjoy many of the kinds of things I suspect you enjoy. I just don’t need to indulge in just so stories, like “Daniel is a republican, democrat, straight, gay, bi, would never kill, hates lying, and so on” to experience that enjoyment.
Is life pointless? Yeah, it is. Meaning and purpose are nothing more than products of the human consciousness, which is itself prone to self deception and delusion. (Witness the spectacle of billions of people all over the globe prostrating themselves before their invisible friends for instance.) Fortunately, it isn’t necessary to believe in meaning, purpose, morality or “selfhood” to enjoy the exchange of ideas or take delight in the taste of ice cream on a hot summer day or have great sex.
This may very well be one of the main things that bother “normals” about “sociopaths”. We at least have the potential to enjoy many of the things they enjoy without the baggage of having to negotiate with an inborn conscience. This fact may gall them because it makes a mockery of all their precious beliefs about morality and meaning.
We enjoy all of this and much more with a conscience, the experiences are deeper and more meaningful. No offense, but sociopaths are always trying to "say" that somehow part of your brain not working makes you better? How does it? I can think sociopathically and NOT at the same time as I have both abilities, yet I prefer being fully formed. How can you tell someone who is color blind how vibrant and beautiful flowers are? Would I want to see them in grey and then delude myself that this was better? Maybe thinking they are superior when half of the brain is working is a self defense mechanism for sociopaths who really cannot experience the world in its full color and joy as we do. My partner is a sociopath, I love him very much, but he is blind to many things and I wish more than anything I could just cure him, so he could have a full life, not a screwed up one. This is reality. For as much crap as sociopaths spew, then I am sure you can understand what I am saying.
DeleteSociopaths are only getting half of the human experience. Without all the human emotions at your disposal, you only get a certain % of the whole. Sociopaths can't see all the colors of the rainbow meteorically speaking. It's a cognitive deficit. And in fact is a throw-back to the old caveman brain we used to all have. Sociopaths will be extinct one day.
DeleteI don't typically comment even semi-anonymously, but haven't yet decided if it's worth my time creating an account here. Anonymous #whatever, your claims that sociopathy represents an atavistic outcropping of some kind of caveman brain are patently wrong.
DeleteGo read some up-to-date neuroscientific findings. I suggest you begin with Ramachandran's _The Tell-Tale Brain_. It's quite accessible to the uninitiated.
"I love him very much, but he is blind to many things and I wish more than anything I could just cure him, so he could have a full life, not a screwed up one."
DeleteSounds to me like the narcissist calling the kettle black. So in other words, anyone who does not enjoy life the way you do (which you also feel is how all "normals" do) is fucked up and needs to be fixed? You honestly do not see a problem with this line of thought??
Ask yourself do you really love him or is it just obsession? I truely feel like you're not being honest with yourself.
DeleteHe knows that something is wrong with him however, He is the only, one that can cure himself. I spent 14 plus years on my BF almost lost my house, lost my savings for retirment and, my family. Ask yourself is he worth that much he is a looser and you know it
DeleteI think this war between "normals" and sociopaths is pointless.
DeleteI actually think that variation is a good thing. I think that a world full of sociopaths would be disastrous because caring deeply about things and other people is what keeps everything from being laid waste. As it is, we are now dealing with a world poisoned by corporations, who as much as they are considered persons with a sole mandate to make shareholders rich, exhibit class A sociopathic behavior.
It may well be that there is a benefit to having sociopaths among us - I can certainly see how it may have been useful in more primitive societies.
That said, it seems to help people who aren't constrained by emotions to have some other code they use as a guide. ME seems to have used Mormanism - to a certain extent, though she's been interpersonally destructive.
Obviously, whatever feelings of ultimate power a sociopath has are illusory, whether you believe in God or not. In that game, there is always someone with more power or insight and it seems a prison to always have one-upmanship (along with assessing and mimicking others) as a concern.
Anyway, the debate is mute as it doesn't seem that sociopaths can be changed - though apparently, as witnessed by for example, the process of creating child soldiers that sociopathic behavior can be developed in otherwise "normal" people.
If life really is pointless we all may as well lay down and die this very second. Why waste one's time? I've often pondered the "point". Sociopaths don't offend me with their views, people are who they are. Besides the topic is a damn good juicy debate!
ReplyDeleteI just think to myself that its ashame sometimes thats all (not in a condescending manner)...I can only imagine sociopathy to be like only ever watching black and white film's. Beautiful no doubt, yet two tone, empathy is like experiencing a film in burts of technicolour. Creativity stems from emotion.
Maybe sociopathy misses the "point". Then again maybe not?...who truely knows?
I know this is a dated post, but the question was too good to pass up. Of course there's no point to life. We're just a bunch of monkeys who are very proud of themselves. But just because life doesn't have a point doesn't mean it's not worth living. Sociopaths are often described as thrill seekers, and I think this is my real motive. Life is a roller coaster. There are ups and downs, you can lean one way or the other, maybe throw your hands up and cheer, or maybe close your eyes, but in the end you are on the track you are on. Maybe you are friendly to the person next to you, maybe you steal their wallet, maybe you don't even care that they're there. The ride will end and you are equally done. More people will ride, but it's just a loop. There is no point. But damn, wasn't that fun?
Deletewow, that's exactly the way I defined the meaning of life about 6 years ago, as a roller coaster :D. there is no point, we're just here to have fun, on the grand scale, we'll all end up dead anyway... I don't believe in god or heaven, so there is really no point to refuse pleasure in hope for a greater destiny after death. the way I see it death is just the end, darkness, so we have to live life to the fullest cause it's our only chance.
DeleteOf course there's a point to life. LIFE is the fucking point. What would be the point of there being nothing? Love gives life meaning. Sociopaths can't love, so they see life as meaningless.
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Delete"I can only imagine sociopathy to be like only ever watching black and white film's. Beautiful no doubt, yet two tone, empathy is like experiencing a film in bursts of technicolour. Creativity stems from emotion."
I'm a writer and a Sociopath, but I am insanely creative. So to the point, that I have a compulsive need to write and create. I sometimes can't sleep, because my mind is playing around with ideas, characters and plots.
While I admit, I don't get emotions, and emotional people are annoying and troublesome to deal with. I get what they are suppose to do and how they interact with one another. I did extensive reading on 'normal/non-Sociopathic individuals' to mimic and write better.
Although I'm pretty sure my mother, has caught on I'm a sociopath. And is in denial, ignoring the evidence, making absurd rationalisation.
I haven't told her directly, but I've made a token effort to play along.
I'm not ambitious, I'd like a long and peaceful life, to do what I want, when I want.
I think that normal people find emotional connects fulfilling, and sociopaths find the little things fulfilling. Or at least I do.
Oh how rude of me...Hello to you too Mr Birdick. T.
ReplyDeleteHi Tinkerbelle. You're right. These kinds of discussions are fascinating. It gives me an opportunity to exercise my mental muscles. Thanks for being my "spotter", so to speak. ;-)
ReplyDeleteNow to address your comments-
Tinkerbelle said: “If life really is pointless we all may as well lay down and die this very second.”
Is that true? Are you certain that this must be the inevitable outcome of discovering that life is meaningless? That would be akin to a 12 year old deciding that she’s never going to celebrate Christmas again after finding out that Santa Claus doesn’t exist. That would be a valid option, like any other, but not a necessary one.
“Why waste one's time?”
Why not? Besides, it’s only a waste if you define it as such. You have far greater power to define your personal experience of life than you know.
“I can only imagine sociopathy to be like only ever watching black and white film's. Beautiful no doubt, yet two tone, empathy is like experiencing a film in burts of technicolour. Creativity stems from emotion.”
You could be right. Even if you are right, even if “normals” greater facility for empathy is makes their experience of life richer, that doesn’t make it any truer and that’s my “point”. Emotions are no more an indicator of truth than speaking in tongues is an indicator that god exists. Being honest with myself is my highest value. Truth is what matters to me, not pretty lies. Even if I wanted to believe the fairytales others guide their lives by, I’ve discovered that I am incapable of it. Take empathy for example. Empathy literally means to vicariously experience the feelings of others. Your brain calculates what it might be like to feel what someone else is feeling and creates that experience within you. The literal experience of empathy is an evolutionary adaptation which I believe stems from the human drive to bond with other humans. But here’s the rub. You can’t really experience another person’s subjective state. You can only ever experience yourself and your own projections. So in a sense, empathy is as deceptive as morality is. Which again, is my point. The aware “sociopath” doesn’t miss the point because there isn’t one to miss.
Apparently in 'normals' the adaptation you refer to is based on chemicals released when we produce a smile for example. Happiness reinforces itself when we smile - we become happier. Witnessing someone we are close to smile makes us smile, so as a group we feel a kind of collective emotion. This may have had survival advantages through the ages, especially in millenia gone by, before modern civilisation, because we were able to form collective emotions and as such act with urgency and with the strength of a group when necessary. This isn't just limited to smiles and happiness. The same can be true of fear and sadness, the response to danger etc. It probably helped survival. If a normal was suffering - maybe injured, other normals close to that person, upon discovery of the situation, would have been kicked into action quicker - helping to aide survival, thanks to a rise in adrenaline perhaps, brought on by recognition of the state of the other person and sudden feelings of empathy.
Delete"Empathy literally means to vicariously experience the feelings of others. Your brain calculates what it might be like to feel what someone else is feeling and creates that experience within you. The literal experience of empathy is an evolutionary adaptation which I believe stems from the human drive to bond with other humans. But here’s the rub. You can’t really experience another person’s subjective state."
DeleteCouldn't have said it better myself. I appreciate it when someone is perceptive vs. empathetic. Empathy is full of personal projection. If someone tells you something (i.e. "I was in the hospital overnight with a sick person") and you later find out it was a lie to test your reaction, were you really empathizing with their story/feeling? Not really. Yes, empaths have the ability to be more in tune with someones feelings; however, there is always some personal projection to go along with it.
If most of the people in this world are "normal/feeling," then I think the sociopaths could be the creative ones, providing insight that normals/feelers would otherwise not observe.
(Peter)
DeleteVery interesting discussion. I am hearing a lot of rationalizing by self-identifying sociopaths here. Many commentators seem very bright and educated and certainly well-read on the topic, but also there seems to be a sense of superiority and I wonder if this is a common trait of sociopaths? If there is some sort of emotional element missing (so to speak) I wonder if this is compensated by a sort of over-intellectualizing coping mechanism?
Moreover, the comment by Daniel that "truth is what matters to me" indicates a moral judgment, which is surprising because I thought that this was precisely what is missing from sociopaths. If there is no meaning and so on, why would "truth matter." The use of the word "matter" in this context seems to imply a sense of "meaning." In other words, there is meaning, or value, to be found in truth. The perception of this value can be a guide in making personal choices, which can become "moral" insofar as one might choose what is "right" (or true) over what is "wrong" even if what is wrong has some sort of utilitarian benefit or pleasure. In short, when making moral choices we are often presented with conflicting values - I might have 2 impulses at the same time: run into a burning building to save a child, and an instinct for self preservation. Or, if I value truth, I might feel conflicted to tell the truth even if it bears some cost to me in some way.
The stereotype I have of a sociopath is not feeling such conflicts. We might make use of the language of self-regarding vs self-transcending feelings in such a discussion, for example. Normals feel a conflict between these and I thought these moral dilemmas that challenge most people simply aren't present to the sociopath? The sociopath would simply let the child burn. Life has no meaning (no value?) after all. Why risk my skin for another? Why feed the hungry, help the poor if there is nothing to be gained? Similarly, I would think that there would be no point in placing a value on "truth" for a sociopath. After all, the truth does not always favor me.
I could be wrong (what do I know) but I wonder if Daniel's claim about caring about truth is not merely a veiled criticism of normals (calling them deluded liars) as a way of presenting himself as a superior being? Or does he really value "truth" and therefore have a moral compass that challenges his self-regarding "feelings"?
I don't really see how "truth is what matters to me" must necessarily be a moral statement? You're probably right that Daniel finds meaning or value in truth - but I find meaning and value in maximising the amount of time I spend asleep, and that is not remotely a moral proposition.
DeleteWhy risk your skin for another? Why not? If you know you're going to die anyway, what does it matter? Maybe it sounded interesting at the time. Why feed the hungry and help the poor? Because it feeds your ego. These actions do not have to stem from morality, although we like to believe they do.
What point is there in placing value on truth? What point is there in anything, I ask you? It's an arbitrary decision; you do it because you want to. (Which, I think, is the only justification we could ever give if we were to be completely honest with ourselves. I remember reading that we act mostly from the reptilian parts of our brains and rationalise later.) Do it for the kicks or as a challenge, whatever. I find a challenge in being intellectually consistent - which entails being honest. That's it. It's doesn't have to be a moral proposition.
" we are unusually impressionable, very flexible with our sense of self, and our defining characteristics. "
ReplyDeleteIt's odd, but I noticed a few months ago that I am basically just myself compiling the information I get that is good and sucking the best from anything I read, watch, hear, etc. (It backfires sometimes when I am not with enough resources to tell when something isn't 'good'.)
Oddly I was actually doing this without even noticing myself.
I'm not sure that applies as a 'flexible sense of self'. It does seem more like a perfectionist complex--instead of the other--though.
Life said: “It's odd, but I noticed a few months ago that I am basically just myself compiling the information I get that is good and sucking the best from anything I read, watch, hear, etc. (It backfires sometimes when I am not with enough resources to tell when something isn't 'good'.)
ReplyDeleteOddly I was actually doing this without even noticing myself.”
Actually I do this as well, with everything I come across. I have a more reliable set of concepts by which to judge ideas as they come in now (reason and reason’s child science) which help me out.
I’m guessing you don’t judge the ideas that you take in by how they cohere with your predetermined sense of self. Maybe that’s the connection.
" I have a more reliable set of concepts by which to judge ideas as they come in now (reason and reason’s child science) which help me out. "
ReplyDeleteYes, as do I. I use Science and Reason (and logic, but that sort goes with reason) to judge the concepts. However, sometimes I tend to misinterpret something and misjudge it. Or I don't have the true Science of the situation. i.e. false information.
"I’m guessing you don’t judge the ideas that you take in by how they cohere with your predetermined sense of self. Maybe that’s the connection."
Well, I'm not sure I understood this correctly. Are you saying that I don't judge ideas by the predetermined ideas I already take in? In that case, yes (if we exclude logic, reasoning and science as ideas)
“Yes, as do I. I use Science and Reason (and logic, but that sort goes with reason) to judge the concepts. However, sometimes I tend to misinterpret something and misjudge it. Or I don't have the true Science of the situation. i.e. false information.”
ReplyDeleteI hear you man. I prefer a skeptical kind of rationality precisely because of my tendency to believe the irrational otherwise. I'm very human in that sense.
“Well, I'm not sure I understood this correctly. Are you saying that I don't judge ideas by the predetermined ideas I already take in? In that case, yes (if we exclude logic, reasoning and science as ideas)”
Within the context of a flexible sense of identity, what I was trying to clumsily suggest was that you don’t decide something is true based upon whether or not it props up your beliefs about who you think you are. I believe most normals judge truth claims based on whether it validates their sense of identity. The stronger the complex of beliefs about their identity is, the more close minded they are to any ideas/facts which might contradict those beliefs. All the facts/reason/logic in the world won’t move them if it in any way threatens their self defining beliefs.
Sociopaths and sex
ReplyDeleteIn her book, Matos seems to accept the statement that James McGreevey is gay. I do not. As I said, I believe the man is a sociopath. I also believe that many sociopaths are neither straight nor gay. In fact, it’s not even fair to call them bisexual.
Sociopaths have an extremely high need for stimulation, so they’ll get sex wherever they can. And, sociopaths are adept at using sex to control people. So I don’t think they’re really attracted to anyone. They use people for sex, and they use sex to get what they want.
Shortly after I met my ex-husband, James Montgomery, he proclaimed to me, “I don’t have a gay bone in my body.” I later learned that, along with his multitude of affairs with women, he solicited gay male prostitutes.
Lovefraud has received numerous e-mails from women involved with sociopaths who discovered that not only was their partner cheating on them, but was cheating with men. Lovefraud has also received numerous e-mails from gay individuals who found themselves involved with sociopaths. I asked several of them if they thought the sociopath was actually gay. They all said no
"So I don't think they're really attracted to anyone"
DeleteThis is what I've been looking for here. I identify as an aromantic asexual, but I don't mind using sex to manipulate people. It'd be terrible if I felt like I had to shag someone for no reason, and very disadvantageous. I can't tell if I'm a sociopath or not, but what you said is a bit more information pointing me towards this possibility.
I am 31 yrs old. I lived in west hollywood 12 yrs. My ex TORTURED me last year. He was an old blue blood attorney and his dad owns law firm on Rodeo. He had a charge on me for hitting his 70000 car when I was on way back from hosp w/ nervous breakdown. I forgave him for affair and I drove car for a year. He beat me in ear and I finally kicked him back after 6 months of not filing charges like an idiot! He blackmailed me and said if I don't tell the judge he will press 10 yrs no parole for assault w/deadly weapon. I lost my beautiful apt while disabled with a head injury...I suffered pain from orbital trauma and lost apt due to his harrassment. I could not call police or he would press charge. I was 29, naive and no attorney. He sexually abused me and then called me lacy peterson and took my cat and said, it would be easier then killing a human. I snuck to his guest house at his father's to try to retrieve the cat...I let him sexually abuse me because I didn't want to go to jail, after having to sit there 4, 4 days. The gyno said I was a victim...but L>A> is so crowded I had to sit in there for self defense. I recieved messages after he sabataged my apt saying "now your on the streets with the real pychos bitch" He was so WICKED. He did relaspe on meth. I knew him for 6 years, and the first 4 years we had fun as friends. The torture was odd because we decided to split and I thought he would move and leave me be...but instead he chose to sabatage my new apt and loved to see me suffer when I already had had a hard life and childhood. He confessed in the end he was "gay" but he cheated with multiple female prostitutes!It's been a year and a half and I can't stop dwelling. I regret and resent all the wasted time on the street when I could have been enjoying my apt and recovering from the nervous breakdwon. I want justice. I need a good attorney for victim's. I lay awake feeling sad about my cat's fate.He despised me in the end, and I never did anything? I know he has no remorse but does he know what he did was horrific?
ReplyDeleteI've been involved with a sociopath that cheated, lied to me and about me and when he couldn't get me to hit him infront of people by physically provoking me he started hitting himself over the head and pretending I'd attacked him. He even sent the police to my property and the next day when I got hold of his hair to restrain him from running away pretending I attacked him, he turned on me, splitting my lip and bashing the back of my skull in the gutter. After several blows to my right breast I ended up pulling a tuft of hair I was hanging onto in self defence out. By the time I returned to the police station from the hospital I was the one who was arrested. He had the police eating out of his hand and had a woman backing up his statement that was not true. Since this I suffer sleep debrivation and despite paying private alterative health workers for their assistance I still loose sleep to the point where my life can't progress. I'm still seeking justice as the report the police officer made to the courts could have been written by the sociopath. However I'm getting passed around like a parcel. If I'd had a private lawyer this person would be in jail as he was on a good behaviour bond for violence at the time he assaulted me. This person moves around,sleeping in his car and doing tarot readings on the footpath. Meanwhile he is preying on vulnerable women like myself for his self survival. My main aim is to make women aware in areas where where he is not known, what he is like. I live in Australia and would like to put this message out in a suitable article. I might even find more women coming forward than have already done so. Where do I start gathering this information? Most women he preys on live alone and fear him.
DeleteRegards, Faye
My friend is divorcing a sociopathic failed criminal lawyer. He's the loser son of a wealthy sociopath lawyer, and grandson of a sleazy con-man who got into politics. My friend's husband didn't take a cat, he's conned the court system and took their 3 year old child. He has been sexually abusing her and mentally torturing her (actually hits/slaps her too, always in ways that don't leave a visible mark). Because my friend reported the sexual abuse and neglect he's done, he got the court to take the child from the mom because, he says, she made it all up and is trying to ruin his relationship with his daughter. Just be glad you didn't have a child with the pervert like my friend did.
DeleteThis guy rakes in money from his daddy for having a child, so there's the pay off of torturing my friend, torturing the child, sexual pay-off for him in abusing the child and torturing us all who care and are watching the situation. He won't care for her health, either. He's in trouble with the state Bar so he can't practice now... so he has more time to abuse the child and may go after the mother for child support... God help that child.
He's also probably had homosexual affairs, but we don't know about it yet. He's had sex with women (who want to be men) who have used his private parts as if they are their own. Don't ask for details on that. It's very sick. He's a compulsive m*sturb*tor and porn addict, that's for sure. The judges have heard about it, they just don't believe it about him.
My ex sociopath I have no doubt has had sex with men. He is a very tall muscular masculine man who would deny having sex with a man to everyone but I know in my heart of hearts that he has and I have found some evidence to support this. When confronted he acted extremely angry and agitated and his heart was palpitating a hundred miles a minute. I have since learned that his anger is usually a deflection of a lie. He also had sex with prostitutes on a regular basis and random women that he would meet off the internet and bars. Very predatory like. He also chooses the weaker of the women to pick up on. For instance all of the women who I have discovered him to have affairs with were very plain, seemed to be unahppy about something, were married in bad marriages, had children. In other words he chooses easy targets. He told me that any mans dream would be to have sex with a married woman because there are no consequences...so you see how flawed a sociopaths logic is? The scariest part about a sociopaths indescretion with sexual partners is that I believe this could very well make them more prone to child molestation. I'm guessing that most or many sociopaths would not do this because of fear of being caught and going to prison but if there were no laws I bet they would have no problem having sex with teens or children as well if it suited them. It really is terrifying. I know personally that my ex was always pushing the boundaries of the laws seeing what he could get away with and very secretive about his behavior, only doing things in which he didn't believe he would get caught. If jail did not exist I have no doubt that he would be doing horrendous things and that he has some serious deep and dark urges which he keeps very very secret and tells noone of.
ReplyDeleteAre you a moron or something? Its like you're shouting out that he's a sociopath but the more you tell u about him the more we learn he isn't a sociopath. He's a sick fuck sure but if he as a sociopath he wouldn't choose "easy targets" nor would he have "dark-urges" because a sociopath doesn't have any specific urges at all. The thing a sociopath wants the most is amusement and enjoyment(physically) and their logic is rarely flawed. Teens maybe but children aren't sexually attractive to most sociopaths just as they aren't attractive to most people.
DeleteYou are not a sociopath. If anything you are a malcontent with an inferiority complex. From what I've read, so far you appear to be jealous of cliques, because you couldn't be in any. You were probably also picked on a lot and, because of that manipulating randoms gives you a cheap thrill. And,the people I've seen on this blog so far are not as well. You all seem to think being a sociopath is cool. Really, it's not, it's just emptiness. It's a highly useful emptiness, but it's really just kind of boring and well, empty.
Delete"He told me that any mans dream would be to have sex with a married woman because there are no consequences."
DeleteThat behaviour is similar to a friend who is a sociopath. He is not selective with women though in terms of strong or weak. Once he sees a woman who tickles his fancy she becomes target. He is mostly interested in women who are attached to a man. Like your ex he only wants the sex and he get thrill from sexing anonther man's woman sometimes in the man's house and in every part of the house.
If he should get his target pregnant or damaged from the sex (large organ) she would just have to take full responsibility. It happened. He will target married women not so much for the sex but for the thrill of making them sexually desire him.....which he achieves easily.
As to the gay aspect. He would not accept liking men but he has played around kissing, carressing and fondling of all sorts with one guy. This lasted over a period of time but I think he was after this guy for something. The guy is the kindhearted type. The socio guy is the manly type so one couldn't label him gay or liking men. He has not shared any other case with him and men.
His baby mother was a teenager when he got her pregnant. He is committed to the child well-being. This next story I got the TRUTH when he almost got busted and fear gripped him. When socio was now 25yrs he targeted his teenage neighbor using the web-weaving style. Meaning each evening when the teeange girl and her 21yrs old sister went over to his house he would call away the teen briefly while the others watch tv. He would then kiss her from the back of the ear down to the neck. This weakened the poor girl. He left her at that high point where she desired more. Another evening he would make a differnt sexual on move on her and leave her sexually high. This went on for a while until the teenage girl became very infatuated with him. Then one nigh he had her alone at his house and got her sexually stimulated and as he was about to put on the condom the big sister came knocking just checking if the litter sister was there by chance. Thank goodness the sex never happened because this virgin teenager girl would get damaged by his oversized male organ.
The infatuated girl told of her love for this man to a peer relative. She and this female relative had a dispute later on and the disgruntled relative outed her. The socio went into patholoical lying because he was afraid of getting into trouble. I knew of the affair because he told me but had absolutely no idea the woman in question was a teen as he led me to believe it was the 21 yr old female. I told him he was guilty of molestation. I did not know his neighbors as we were from different communities. He still admire teenage girls that look older than their age but vowed not to seduce them.
i'm wondering why these people are defining themselves as sociopaths as opposed to nihilists or rationalists.
ReplyDeleteat the very least nothing that has really been said so far- would differentate them.
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DeleteNo guilt or shame whatsoever and the tendency to manipulate things/people to further my amusement. Such as infiltrating the popular group, picking out a target, humiliating the target an then watch his "friends" stab him in the back effectively killing his social life and providing me with great amusement.
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DeleteFirst of all psychopaths, don't have preference so therefore to label them as gay....is an oxymoron. You think the norm adheres to the societal defined rules because it gives them a sense of coherence ? Nah, as we all learned as kids, you don't do things because the pain that is inflicted if your caught. Psychopaths just have inflated egos with that mental paradigm.
DeleteA gay sociopath
ReplyDeleteIs a gay sociopath gay first or a sociopath first? If he hurts women, does he do the same thing to men?
Anonymous of Jan 5, though I doubt you'll ever read this commentary:
ReplyDeleteThere is a set of 'symptoms', a group of faculties that are deficient or modified or hyperactive in a sociopath that are not so in a 'normal' person. It is the fit of these symptoms which suggests that one is a sociopath. One need not be a nihilist or a rationalist to be a sociopath, nor vice versa.
Rather, the condition and the mindframe have something an incestuous relationship, as the one supports the other in both directions, if both are present.
That is a fairly brilliant interpretation, Amdusias. I hadn't ever really thought about my two conditions, one intentional and one perhaps pathological, feeding one another. I may have to delve further into that.
ReplyDeleteYou all are being quite silly. None of you are sociopaths. You are simply intelligent people who see through society's veil. You were socially ostracized in life because of this. You probably will have a hard time with authority figures, and the law -- because of this too, as the masses are stupid, gullible and weak emotionally. You don't have to be a 'sociopath' to sense those things in others. You just have to be *smart.*
ReplyDeleteBut I was diagnosed as a sociopath. Was my psychologist wrong?
DeleteLmao! Trolling? I've not seen one intelligent post on this site. The victims posting on this blog "claiming" to be sociopaths are obviously deluded and trying to forget the memories of their uncles wandering hands by making out they themselves are the predator.
DeleteI have not witnessed a single post on this blog made by a "sociopath".
Deluded children -yes, Borderlines-yes, morons-yes but no sociopaths.
No your psychologist doesn't exist, only a psychiatrist could give you a diagnosis. You can also not have a diagnosis of sociopath/psychopath unless you have committed murder. The only other diagnosis that you could of had was aspd which again is more of a conduct disorder than psychopathy. You can also not be labeled as personality disordered until you are Past the age of 18. This proves the vast majority/all of you are lying about being diagnosed. Psychopathy/sociopathy is extremely rare also, only 1% of the world have it.
DeleteAnonymous of May 16, 2012: You may call 1% rare, but that would mean one in one hundred people have it. Again, it may seem like a few, but now think of this: There are, say, seven billion people in this world. That's 7,000,000,000. One percent would be 70,000,000, or seventy million, people. You may want to redefine your definition of 'rare'.
DeleteCynicism does not a sociopath make.
ReplyDeleteBut cynicism does a sociopath make.
DeleteNot really, no. You are projecting your fantasy ideal of what makes someone a sociopath.
Deletegender is so overrated.
ReplyDeletemaybe it's irrelevant to say that, but i don't care. it's ridiculous that you're supposed to choose a camp and stay there.
I've seen more perceptive comments on the nature of humanity on this blog than I've seen virtually anywhere else, which is interesting. People who don't "get" sociopathy (as evidenced by some of the comments from socio-bashing "normals") seem to be under the impression that sociopaths are incapable of understanding anything at all about humanity yet the viewpoints expressed by some of you here make it clear that isn't the case. I think many people are just blinded by their own empathy, which is often inaccurate as it is based on the assumption that others think and experience emotions the same way you do. It's a useful mental "shortcut" that saves having to consciously work out why someone is behaving a certain way, but as with any mental shortcut it isn't always the most accurate strategy. The same goes for the sense of self, which people use to filter the incoming information and accept or reject it depending on whether it "fits" (as Daniel Birdick explained). Obviously filtering has its uses, it reduces the sense of overwhelm and helps people create a stable and predictable identity, but it is responsible for some of the messes that the world finds itself in where people entrench themselves in a viewpoint that is destructive or unhelpful. Sociopaths might get the label "anti-social" but I think that "normals" attachment to an unwavering sense of self has the potential to be just as anti-social (look at the things people do in the name of religion, for instance).
ReplyDeleteI suppose I have to disclose here that although I'm not a sociopath I find that some aspects of my thinking have more in common with them than normals at times. It's that hint of autism, the weak sense of empathy and of self (although not absent in my case, just not as well developed as some people's seems to be). I find other human beings incredibly irrational, but incredibly fascinating. My interest in the way their minds work is probably what helps me appear normal(ish)! But then I suppose that's another thing I have in common with high functioning sociopaths, the ability to analyse from a slightly detached viewpoint and base my interactions with others more on this analysis than on any innate sense of empathy.
I have a question for the socios here: how do you feel about mirrors? An apparently bizarre question, I know, but I have noticed that I have such a weak sense of myself that I find mirrors quite strange, I'm almost surprised by my own reflection sometimes. I also find it almost impossible to resist looking at my reflection, which may appear like vanity to others but is more about me trying to cement my image in my own mind, I think.
I've got questions to do with sociopaths and sexuality.
ReplyDeleteWell...mainly alot of comments to begin with.
Firstly you should know that I'm a sociopath.
Secondly it may help to know that I'm female.
Thirdly, I am in my late teens and have never had sexual interaction of any kind.
I consider myself gay, but I'm not so sure sometimes. On a scale of 1 to 10 (where 1=straight 10=gay 5.5=bi) I tend to drift between 7 and 9 alot of the time.
The other thing that's changeable is my interest in sex. Sometimes it's just too weird, too bothersome, to annoying, whatever. Other times I'm really interested in it.
I have attributed these changes to my menstrual cycle (because supposedly you get more horny and interested in males just prior to your period).
I understand that the sociopath has a very flexible sense of self and sexuality.
All in all I consider myself to be rather asexual but with underlying homosexual inclinations.
Now the only other sociopath I know is the character Sherlock Holmes. I've read the books and I'm quite sure he's a sociopath, rather similar to my own sociopathic behavior. He's also rather asexual.
Then of course there's the new Sherlock BBC series where he actualy admits to being a sociopath (much to my delight) but I can also see clearly that he's asexual but appears to have underlying homosexual tendencies.
My question (finally) is about other sociopaths. Are all sociopaths like this? Not very interested in sex but leaning more towards same-sex interactions?
I understand that 2 (possibly 3) sociopaths isn't a very large pool of information so I'm asking.
The vast majority of sociopaths are straight or asexual(no interest in sex) this shite sorry I mean site is incorrect about everything. I think the maker of this site has confused borderline personality with the sociopathic.
DeleteNo noticeable bias in one direction or the other, myself. Sex is fun, but I don't take an active interest, except in rare moments when I get very interested.
ReplyDeleteI have just learned that I'm a sociopath (people have always said there is something different about me, but no one has been able to point out the exact reason until earlier today. I've never known because I just assumed I felt or didnt feel the same as others do and couldn't really understand why relationships go so horribly wrong after a while).
ReplyDeleteSince I was 14 I've been very promiscuous. Now sex can be good fun, but it's never something I've tried to actively seek out. It just happens, and I have a hard time saying no even though I know what the concequences will be. With only a few exceptions I have a very strong sexual preference for men, being female myself. Maybe it's for practical/natural reasons...
However, after my new discovery I was hoping that there might be a way to asexualize myself, as sex and relationships always end up in disasterous messes I really don't want to deal with.
I've tried not looking people in the eyes when I talk to them, which appears to be an effective way of lowering their interest, but I really do enjoy conversations with people and I don't want to be robbed of all the fun society has to offer. I probably sound like a real douchebag when I say this, but has anyone else had problems with their "charming" effect on the opposite (sometimes same) sex? How can this undesired effect be corrected without knowing specifically what creates it? Is there a way of finding out exactly what I do wrong?
Thanks in advance for any help.
You are not a sociopath. You are Histrionic.
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ReplyDeleteI've read about this before (the "bonobo" phenomenon) & believe this is likely to be a contributing factor to cultures of prison rape/sexuality.
ReplyDeleteNormal people (myself included) view that prison culture as absolutely sickening & baffling. But, perhaps it makes sense in light of there being a proportionally high sociopathic prison population.
actually thats wrong because sociopaths are just as hard to find in prison then in real life.
DeleteThat statement is completely false!!! There is a higher concentration per capita found in prisons, as well as more men then women. It is truly rare for a woman to be diagnosed.
Delete"Sociopathy is a personality disorder. We are unusually (impressionable), very flexible with our sense of self, and with our defining characteristics. Because we don't have a rigid self-image or worldview, we don't observe social norms, we don't have a (moral compass, and we have a fluid definition of right and wrong.) We can also be shapeshifters, smooth-talking, and charming. We can become your ideal mate, in a way described here and here. We do not have an established default position on anything."
ReplyDeleteI exhibit most of the abilities you state here except those I marked inside () yet I am considered an empath. So what does that make me? What you seem to call inherited ability due to your condition I exhibit due to circumstance and study. I am not asking this to be snide, I really am curious why i seem to share these traits you constant attribute to sociopaths, yet i am not one. What are all your thoughts?
You know I had the most fucked up dream about this. There was this ugly,no, HIDEOUS man who I know killed this girl (and raped her). Yet for some reason he had a way of charming all the girls (except me), including my mother! And then when everyone was talking together at a party I screamed "He did it he killed her, He's a monster, a fucked up Pig!" And he looked at me with these rapped eyes, that haunted me. What was really fucked up was that no one belived me! And the next day (apparently in my dream) he tried to abduct me at my research office. And it was so fucked up how everyone around him reacted! I mean thank God this wasn't real, in the end I ended up killing him at heart shot, and skull crush point.
ReplyDeleteI am still recovering from a relationship I had with a sociopath. It lasted 14 months...of hell. He was an ex-con. He was physically abusive and he was a monster. He conned me out of thousands of dollars and even took my credit card a couple of times without my knowledge.
ReplyDeleteHere is the kicker: I knew approximately 15 min after I met the guy that he was not normal. I knew there was something wrong....but the physical attraction was so overwhelming that I felt powerless. I knew I was playing with fire but I continued. I endured so much abuse that my head is still spinning in a pool of self-loathing. Yeah, I am messed up and trying to fix it....I will never be the same person I was when I met him.
"I knew there was something wrong....but the physical attraction was so overwhelming that I felt powerless. I knew I was playing with fire but I continued". Those are the same thoughts going thru my head, but the guy I am talking about told me (actually, he hinted) what he was, and even though I am somewhat knowlrdgeable on the subject, I could not help myself, and still cannot. He is 24 and I am 50.
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ReplyDeleteInteresting, I have pretty much the same thing about mirrors. I did think that it was vanity for a long time, and I tried to avoid staring at myself in the mirror for ages (because vanity is supposed to be wrong), but eventually I realized that it was something different, though I've never been able to quite put my finger on it until you worded it that way.
Someone way at the top of the messages, who says he is a sociopath, listed "my young neice running towards me" or something like that as one of his pleasures. That struck me as an odd statement. If sociopaths do not have regular human emotions, why would he list a very loving moment like that? Do you all see where I am coming from?
ReplyDeleteAlso, I think I wrote on one of these links about my relationship with my then current sig nif. I said I did not understand why he fit the bill yet was so loving towards me. I should have waited a week when I found out he was a lying, cheating, bleepity bleep. I mean once the truth came out, it was never-ending. Imagine the little Dutch boy holding his finger over the whole in the damn. It was something like that. I talked to a lot of his exes and found out just about every thing that came out of his mouth was a life. He even lied when it had no importance to him or myself.
I would NEVER have believed it - never believed someone who was SO attentive, and said he loved me 2 or 3 times a day was that cold-blooded. The funny part here is when I read that a sociopath will blame you for things they caused. That is him to a Tee! He said a few times after we broke-up; "all you ever did was talk about money..." Um...yeah! That's because you TOOK almost all my money you shit head!!!
These people are demons...smh...they really think they have a life, when they are unable to have what God gave normal human beings?? They are not of God, God is Love....they are of their Father Satan....hold on to the end sociopaths & maybe God will have mercy on your souls & give you a soul again :)
ReplyDeleteYou know there is a question I've been wanting to ask you. If Adam and Eve were the first(and only) people god made and Adam fathered the rest of humanity: How is that not considered incest?
DeleteI agree! My sociopath, is my spouse, He admittedly enjoys, laughs and brags on how he likes to mess with people's minds, with verbal and emotional abuse, lies, seeks revenge, and even early threats of physical abuse, etc. (Hint: meaning toward me). Tired of his evil!
DeleteI agree with you 100%. I was involved with a man whom I truly believe is a sociopath. I have researched a great deal of information on this subject and to my belief, I have seen his eyes turn completely black with no whites, this has happened twice, which is a sign of pure evil. It is so sad, but it is truly an indication that in the spiritual realm good and evil spirits do exist.
DeleteI don't really have a sexual preference i can get off with females and males, neither do i have a conscience but the other day the weirdest thing happened, a woman with a toddler came up to me asking if i had jumper cables or a car. Technically i do have a car but it's not mine and i didn't have jumper cables but I didn't lie or make a good excuse or anything i just helped out. Which is weird for me, I never help unless i know there is something in it for me or is for me. Maybe I'm not a sociopath maybe I have some other disorder but either way I never let anyone see who I truly am. I almost always lie or cheat and really don't give a damn about others. The only people who i rarely use or lie to are my mother and my grandmother, and the only thing that i actually liked was my dog, he is dead now (No i didn't kill him). I remember sometimes being somewhat cruel to my dog but nothing deliberate. I could go to a shrink and maybe see what i really am but i don't feel like going to a shrink.
ReplyDeleteI've spent 10 months with a sociopath - 10 most miserable months of my life. Thanks God my eye are open now. Just do yourself a favor - RUN, RUN, RUN
ReplyDeleteI dated a sociopath for almost a year..He actually sought me out, but apparantly, as I found out later on, was his MO..Online dating, socializing..I am no angel myself , but it has been 6 months since I ended it, and I feel like I will never trust anyone again. the relationship, or lack of, for a better word,changed who and whatI was..he actually had me believing towards the end that it was MY issues of anger that was my/our problem..i actually went to a few therapy sesions..But a few clicks of a mouse and a little eye-opening and I easily realized it was not me at all..Besides having actually been on every sex web site possible, he was also soliciting males as well.I think if i had to give it a number i would say over 500 men/women in a six month period.And it's growing I'm sure as we speak..I had no problem with the bi sexuality of it, I did have a problem with the lies, deceit, and lack of caring for my health and well being..I explained to him that h was a textbook case but of course to no avail.. he actually offered to take a lie detector test then take me out to dinner..It actually got worse , but for legal reasons i cannot go into it.. please if you do encounter anyone like this , and you get that gut feeling you should leave.. take it from me.. listen to your gut.. it will be nothing short of a train wreck, get out while you are still in one sane piece..it broke me
ReplyDeleteWow you are boring. No wonder he left you.
DeleteSociopaths are sick and will suck you dry. I have done it since I was a kid. It is a thrill to use and abuse people. Sadly for society we have no cure for people with no true love and negative emotions. If we get near you run.
DeleteYou stated, "I feel like I will never trust anyone again." I can totally relate. I was in a 4 month relationship with a sociopath and of course did not know it. It is so easy to feel like you can never trust again because they are so CONVINCING and I am one not easily fooled. If it can happen once than why not again?The acting was so good. Luckily I came upon this site shortly afterward and realized that what he was, was indeed a sociopath. I forced myself to not take it personally. He was the one and only sociopath I have come across (that I know of anyway) and I hope the last. Realizing this caused me to pretty much put it out of my head. I refuse to allow him to keep affecting my life and that is what would be happening, so don't you do it. And anonymous Nov 16, 2014, I give you credit for knowing your faults and owning up to them.
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ReplyDeleteBoo-Hoo. WOW!! Whadda resume!!
C'mon...You're a sociopath junkie - admit it.
The biggest lie is the lie we tell ourselves...
And yet, it was nice following your seemingly misguided perception of our relationship...
albeit based upon a falsified statement - all posted here just so you could advertise and garnish a better class of sociopath...
Sorry I let you down in our little came of cat-and-cat, babe. I'm working on being a better deceiver/manipulator. Promise. Thanks so much for the tips...I will use them for future fun.
See you again...and soon.
Geez, that certainly looks that I AM a sociopath. Just another clue.
ReplyDeleteConcerning a critical view of the Self and its strengths and weaknesses, I'd like to recommend the book
ReplyDeleteMark R. Leary: "The Curse of the Self"
Have a nice time and find true friends.
The sociopath I dated was 100% gay and never had sex with a woman. However, he seemed to take cues from me and molded himself such as to appear to be my ideal mate. I do not like to use the word "soulmate" but that is how he made me feel.
ReplyDeleteHe was manipulative beyond anyone I had ever met and did not tell me he was HIV+. Interestingly, he dumped me right after certain health of mine had doctors believing I might be HIV+. Thankfully this was not the case.
After he dumped me, I discovered several of his online profiles on various dating and porn sites. To me, he presented himself as "reserved and sorted" to use his own words.
From what I learned from his profiles, he is anything but that, with a taste for unsafe sex, rough sex and an eye for very young guys. He owns words paint him as juvenile and superficial, with no interests other than "boys, a pint or two and fooling around."
Thus, what he presented to me was 180 degrees opposite than his real person.
I have nothing against gays, in fact my close sibling is, but my (once divorced, lied about ex-wife having had an affair) sociopathic spouse (his dad died when he was young), has been with women, but is angry at, & hates his mom & women! He claims a guy hit on him once & he punched him. He acts macho, but often likes to walk and talk as the "stereotypical" effeminate homosexual. He's admittedly talked to strange, as in didn't know them, but sought out to talk to gay guys online. I think he's either bisexual, or is a closet homosexual. He really seems to be an asexual cerebral narcissistic, homosexual but could be bisexual sociopath! He seems too afraid to come out of the closet! After 26 years, He's controlling, aloof, mean, has no remorse when being cruel, a pathological liar, secretive. I should've seen the red flags when we were dating!
ReplyDeleteWow, this is my daughters father to a "T"! ! ! Always telling lies, cheating, starting a new life every year or so, many failed relationships, 2 ex-wives (we are 29), two kids (different moms), cannot afford his life so he uses girls to support him, so sexual...everything in his life is about sex, porn, sex dreams, sex texts... and always in his stories he likes to hear about another man . . Watching, touching, whaking off...this all makes perfect sense now! (I always thought it was weird he got off on hearing about another mans dick)..he swears he hates gay people...but yet gets off on a mans dick! ! He is such an asshole. He has ruined my life over the past 7 yrs. I'm so blessed I have my daughter, but having to deal with him is painful. He ruins everyones lives he enters.. now, he is on his next victim.. hqs not seen our daughter in 5 months! Not even on x-mas. He is getting married, has a wonderful life (she supports him) wedding in Hawaii and can't even help me buy food! I barley get chils support. Who the fuck does this shit to people? Oh, from what I'm reading, sociopaths! ! ! ! ! I believe in God, and I hope and pray for all you horrible people. I hope God saves the souls of these heartless people ruining the lives of others who care.
ReplyDeleteOmfg I just found the truth the reality of my ruined life
DeleteThank u everyone for all this information . I have experienced every detail. Two babies now. I NEED HELP ESCAPING. MY SOCIOPATH IS A METH USER AND A VIOLENT DV OFFENDER. GOING TO A SHELTRR NOW... TEARSSS
Wow, I was still a little doubtful about the sociopathy, but this described my sexual preferences exactly. Holy shit...
ReplyDeletesexuality and sociopathy has been cause for probably the only "confusion" or "doubt" I've ever experienced emotionally. I'm female, diagnosed at 18. I've used sex to feel in control for years. pretty much only with men. I like men. I weigh 100 lbs, and dominating a man twice my size is like....essential to my happiness. forget about maintaining a relationship with a man, it's like trying to put two very straight men in a relationship together, once it leaves the bedroom. However...since girlhood, women have been the only things i've ever found very attractive, and lusted after. I want women. but i've never been able to have them. when i've tried, my libido crashes to halt the minute i notice how "even" of a "fight" this is. It's what I desire but it's not what gets me off?? Like anyone, someday, I'd like to be with the right person. I suspect most people carry sex and love around in the same place, but for me they are miles apart. Any advice from those like me?
ReplyDeleteYou sweet heart have no real problem. I am an ALPHA male and you are my type of woman. I have no problem with you using weak men for cash, trips of gifts. You are not using your power wisely to achieve wealth and a wonderful life. I only date women who date other women and I know this is sexy. You are my type I do not carry sex and love in the same place because they are oceans apart. With me you can have your desire to have other women and still use men at the same time. Do not compromise on what fulfills you. If you have confusion I am hear to clear all that up. Do not listen to those book study, pencil pushing quack doctors. Your sexuality is a great source of power and weak fragile women are to afraid to use this power. You are are confused because you are not of "THE SOCIAL NORM". You dominate those weak men and you lust for women. I am in your corner and on your side. I am a male and I suggest using those weak men for everything you can, and have your desires with beautiful women fulfilled. There is nothing wrong with you have been fooled by others to believe you have a problem. You have great power to control and dominate others that can empower you or you can not use your power and allow others to have power over you. I am that right person for you, we can travel the world myself you and your girlfriends. I have provided you with great advice, do not deny your gift or your gift will deny you.
DeleteAnglian Jolie is a borderline, Lindsay Lohan is bipolar,Tom cruise is an air head. Your information on psychopathy is all false. I stopped reading this crap after you mentioned the above.
ReplyDeleteIf you are going to pretend to be knowledgable about a subject you should at least learn the facts!
Every post on this site is dedicated to those with attachment issues or borderline pd and NOT psychopathy.
This article provides an interesting insight into sociopathy, like the rest of the blog, and its history and links to sexuality. I learnt things I did not know about such personality disorder, including from the other people who commented on this post. I have a bit of a background in psychology and this helped me widen my knowledge about this particular subject. It is evident that such issue gives rise to debate from different angles. Some of the stories here really shocked me when seeing the effect that some sociopaths have on other people. Keep up the good work on this blog!
ReplyDeleteI think you should read the comment above yours. You will fail psychology if you believe any of the shit on here. The people on here are all 14 and craving attention and admiration. This site is centered around borderline personality disorder and is wrongly labelled sociopath world due to the "cool factor" of it.
DeleteYou have failed psychology already by not realising the stories/posts/info/comments on this site show NO traits WHATSOEVER of psychopathy.
I think you who are all now pretending to be homosexual because of this article should stop due to the fact that sociopaths tend to hate that in which will not benefit them. Homosexuality or sexuality in general is not a main priority for a psychopath. I will also say that the majority of psychopaths HATE homosexuals with a passion.
How do you know psychopaths hate homosexuals? It is true I believe. I think sociopaths are pretty messed up people who have identity issues and do not know what they are. They pretend to be something they are not, it is because they are incapable of feeling real emotions...as they are basically emotionless individuals.
DeleteThese comments began (top) as a very stimulating conversation on the social-mental perspective of the individual in society. Then unfortunately seemed to become more diluted with (yes, Anon on:june6, 2012) teenage hormones (which aren't being bashed here, they're just not always logical) and half-sincere anecdotes as I kept scrolling down.
ReplyDeleteI can't say I read all the comments, but most of them. And what I kept wanting to ask was to continue the legitimate rational/skeptical edge of the conversation about the ILLUSORY self and it's true nature as well as if these emotionless commenters here have given a deep thought to their or other's upbringing as an enormously pervasive influence on their character; if for nothing else other than to satisfy my own "insert stereotypical social/psychology term" interests.
I'm still very young (23) mentally, emotionally, and socially; so I don't claim any wisdom, just genuine curiosity and personal fascination at the social examinations here.
My own social experience in the light of uncertainty of other's mental activity has been an active interest of mine for a while. The human condition to me is that we are all intimately dependent on interactions with others, yet simultaneously mask our true intentions/feelings (or 'thoughts' for you "sociopaths" out there) without hesitation most of the time.
I think most just want to be loved and benefit from mutually altruistic relations with each other, but have been beaten into a defensive sense of selfish indifference toward others from the regurgitated pessimism handed down to them from whoever.
The real fun part of all this is sifting through all the bullshit people's fragile egos put on display and finding out what it really is they're selling in the (sometimes not-so-)thinly cloaked back corner of their shops. (This of course is based on my own social tactics, but also on what I believe other's are doing too (empathy of a sort?), if its not too much to imagine).
To end, If anyone after this has stories and situations to relate, I'm sure we'd all benefit if you included your age and your thoughts on other's minds, you clairevoyant shapeshifters you!
PLEASE please rebut this, as I'm sure its full of pretentiousness and faulty logic. ThankS!
You can call me Rich. Just to assert my individuality..
..damn you know this might have been the wrong place for this, but I hope i get some responses.
Rich,
ReplyDeletePsychopath-non functioning prefrontal cortex-non responsive amygdala-thus making love, empathy, remorse, impulse control devoid.
Sexual promiscuity is generally used by those that lack an identity for themselves, seek dissociative identity disorder, borderline personality disorder, narcissistic personality disorder.
Robert Hare PHD has many a journals on true psychopathy, you will learn that this site is absolutely ridiculous and has no truth in it whatsoever.
ReplyDeleteNot to be completely random, but whatever happened to Daniel Birdick? Is he still here? I've only seen his comments from 2009, and I'm not really feeling the motivation to fish through the website for more posts from him.
ReplyDeleteWell, it's been three years. I suppose that should factor into his absence. Perhaps he's dead now.
Anyway, I'm really rather curious. No particular reason. If anyone can help me out in the least, reply to my post. Perhaps Daniel Birdick can appear? Thank you. I'm quite tired, so I'll be going to sleep. If I get a reply tonight, I won't be responding.
- J
I was involved with a sociopath for a year and a half, but I don't like putting labels on people and I didn't think to "diagnose" him until the end. In other words, I was about as trusting as a stupid child. Until he started sharing plans to become a serial killer, I didn't even think to research "sociopath," but when I did, it fit him perfectly. To myself and the victims on this site and on this page: We set ourselves up. We wanted someone to take care of us, and flatter us, and, narcissistically, we wanted someone to mirror our precious egos. In other words, we wanted to fuck ourselves. Isn't that narcissistic? Aren't we a little fucked up, a little vain, for wanting that? If we really knew who we were,at the core, could we even be the "victim" of a sociopath?
ReplyDeleteFor aslong as the majority believe that most individuals are "good" you will continue to be a victim.
ReplyDeleteSomeone confiding in you that they are wanting to enroll in the act of multiple homicide is most definitely not a "sociopath".
If u are a fag, doesnt mean that the majority of us sociopaths are homos too... correct ur opinion... In fact, the vast majority are straight... u little bitch! LOL
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ReplyDeleteUKAN IS GOEENG 2 GET PWEGNANT TEEHEEEEEEEEE HEE BEENPWEGNANT THWEE MONTHS TEEHEEEE
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ReplyDeleteUKAN IS GOEENG 2 GET PWEGNANT TEEHEEEEEEEEE HEE BEENPWEGNANT THWEE MONTHS TEEHEEEE
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ReplyDeleteI don't think the ability to be detached emotionally and to be charming is a disorder. Other cultures account for these personalities as within the realm of human variety, and only the United States pathologizes it. Ayurveda, for example, states that a certain subtype - the Pitta Vata - is more prone to be creative/charming and adaptable at their best, while angry and vindictive at their worst. Accordingly, Ayurveda gives specific lifestyle and diet recommendations so that people don't go off into the more negative part of the spectrum.
ReplyDeleteAdditionally, I should add that in modern medical literature, strong emotional reactions, depression and mood instability in general is correlated with imbalances in the intestinal microbiome. There are many studies that are now verifying the validity of traditional cultures' consumption of fermented foods and bone broth that effectively help heal the gut (other great options are the SCD Diet, the GAPS diet, and treatment for Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO)), thereby improving mood stability.
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ReplyDeleteAs a subclinical psychopath and a narcissist I believe it is accurate to say that I would just as readily accept the sexual advances of a man as I would a woman, though I would not consider myself gay or even bisexual, simply out of desire to feed of the affection. If the individual is willing to indulge me in my needs then I am not particular as to what their gender is. I find the emotional stimulation of males and females as equal and have only the most superficial physical preference to women.
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ReplyDeleteWhat about liking to fuck the living shit out of a bitch and have her damn near crying then begging for it again later. A male psychopath would have had little but that to say about the connection between psychopathy and sexuality.
ReplyDeleteIm married to a male sociopath. He cheats, lies, and is just a piece of shit. Filed for divorce and moved away. You cant fix them,, they have no morals, and you will not once hear, "Im sorry." Its below them.
ReplyDelete"the sociopath seems to be the bonobo of the human world -- frequent, casual, utilitarian sex" That's funny because I always think of myself like the bonobo. I had a facebook account: Bonobo Tree before I even knew what a bonobo was.
ReplyDeleteThe first celebrity to pop into my mind when I think sociopath: Michelle Rodriguez
ReplyDeleteI've never given it any prior thought, but now that the idea has been presented I would have to say that my sexuality is quite distinct from my sociopathy. It's like two different pockets; never can the contents of one pocket affect the contents of the other. Think compartmentalizing.
ReplyDeleteSociopaths are basically psychological prostitutes. Yeah the ones referred to as 'normals' may just be a ton of people who do not reason out their belief with logic but sociopath's (at least certain ones) seem to be under the delusion that the way they look at things is right when in fact if every human being was a sociopath then the human race would be like a bunch of animals with low IQ because sociopath's evidently have low IQ. They seek drunkenness and sexual pleasure impulsively like wild animals because they cannot perceive the emptiness beyond such acts which is pathetic. Even if they say they believe in God they don't because anyone who believes in God is just the opposite of carnal. They don't have no sense of self their sense of self is just so high that every other person with a psyche seems to them like an object. And objects which aren't sentient are treated like beings with an actual psyche which is why sociopath's are so materialistic. The fact that they think they know truth when they do not assume a position morally proves they don't no truth since truth isn't relative because falsehood is it's opposite, it just asserts their ignorance. But of course a sociopath could not reason this on their own that if there was no such thing as a truth or lie there would be no such thing as a rule and thus no such thing as reality since they are so stuck into their world they are in a deep delusion. So if you expose a sociopath in a way that causes them suffering they get extremely angry and even go to ends like murder, and yet certain sociopath's believe they are smart when their left brain is so dominant they have backwards logic. They take extreme offense to statements of truth because their logic is so backwards (atleast certain ones anyways). Like the 'do whatever you want when you want how you want with no concern for anyone' ideology they have is SOOO retarded in so many ways. That is literally the logic of an animal. Meh, they may see past the futility of certain customs due to the fact that they can't understand things holistically unless it is revealed to them, but eh whatever. There is a way to cross over from sociopath to empathetic though, and when empathetic people reach a certain high they become 'calmly empathetic' so useless emotions in reference to empathy like anger and fear shrink while sociopath's have so much fear and anger that they cannot get a grip because fear veils truth as well as being controlled by anger to the point where logic goes out the window. The sense of fear when afraid is huge as well as the sense of anger. They cannot experience love because they cannot expand sense of self. But the remedy is to contradict the signals of pleasure and anger and fear and cravings that their hypothalamus and amygdala give them. Like for food sex aggression cowardice etc. basically things categorized by sin, but it takes guts to go through with contradicting self identity.
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You see "Angelina Jolie, Tom Cruise, and Lindsay Lohan" as possibly being sociopaths, what about Amber Heard? Doesn't her behaviour look sociopathic at the moment?
ReplyDeleteDo any sociopaths on here relate to be conditioned through childhood rape or is it simply genetics. My understanding is that genetics is more associated with psychopaths. No offence to normal people, but I would rather the question be answered by a sociopath.
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