From a reader (cont.):
Looking back on that first email I can see that I have selected some 'terrible' things I have done on purpose. So perhaps a little insight into how I view the world generally would be more informing.
I look at things in a very logical way. But to an extent that seems 'wrong' to other people. I am a strong believer in the Law and Economics movement and tend to analyse everything through this lens. Often this is very tame: for instance, it seems fine to me that people should be allowed to sell their organs on an open market: this would clearly save lives.
Other times people seem more shocked. I see no problem, for instance, why a poor man who wishes to feed, educate and clothe his family should not be allowed to sell his right to live to another (even if it means being slowly tortured to death, or just slavery) in order to provide that. I have decided that violence against another without consent is usually wrong after reading Posner's enlightening arguments.
This has also led me to make 'racist' or 'sexist' conclusions, although I see only difference not superiority or inferiority. I never hesitate to make my viewpoint known and can always back it up with an arsenal of data and rationality. In any event I always build strong rapport with anyone I talk to so I can say more or less whatever I want.
I do feel like something is missing. But I don't think it is a complete lack of conscience. I don't think it is a complete void. I've never been completely honest in my life, however. I am always manipulating and lying. It has got to the point where there is really no difference for me. It is effortless... Sometimes I don't even notice I am doing it and I never really care afterwards. As I said, I've never been able to maintain a friendship.
dude. are you quoting from a textbook?
ReplyDeleteFor someone from an alleged top university, this person's cognitive abilities seem lacking.
ReplyDeleteSounds like any other pretentious, baret-wearing, philosopher-quoting undergrad who sits in trendy cafes writing their supposed novel hoping someone will come by and compliment them on their individuality and post-modern attitude.
I've never been completely honest in my life, however. I am always manipulating and lying. It has got to the point where there is really no difference for me. It is effortless... Sometimes I don't even notice I am doing it and I never really care afterwards.
I don't see how this makes him any different from the rest of society.
"Looking back on that first email I can see that I have selected some 'terrible' things I have done on purpose."
ReplyDeleteYou didn't realize that at first? That's weird.
Hmm. I don't quite see why he compares himself to his perception of the general population. It seems like he's trying to set himself apart from them, but why is that necessary? He's informing us about him, not how he is so different, I thought. Of course, being different may be one of his traits but there seems to be an annoying subtleness about how everyone needs to know it. That's mainly why I question even the idea of him being different.
Also, I wonder how he even uses the terms "right" and "wrong". He seems to be talking in the sense of a mechanically functioning sense of morality, not an emotionally driven one. I'm going to throw a dart at the board and guess that he only thinks of things as right or wrong for manipulative purposes.
Ishtar:"...this person's cognitive abilities seem lacking."
Why do you think that?
Has anyone noticed? The two parts are almost totally different. the first seems like it was written by a 10-year old. The second looks like he took a little bit more time, and actually used a thesaurus.
ReplyDeleteI still call BS.
Where these letters written at the same time? or did he read our responses and then continue to letter 2?
Letter 2 seems more Intelligent.
Letter 2 seems more like a response to comments on the previous post than an extension of the first. My guess is that he didn't like the feedback so he decided to change his story. He wants to be a sociopath but needs permission.
ReplyDeleteHe clearly states, "I've never been completely honest in my life, however. I am always manipulating and lying." ... and then thinks we'll believe him.
ReplyDeleteI am the author of these emails.
ReplyDeleteThe first was written drunk and at around 4am on a BlackBerry. I stumbled across the website accidentally and it seemed interesting so I thought I would shoot an email. I was passing time: I was not expecting a response.
This email is not a response to comments on the first: I have already had a full conversation with M.E. before agreeing to let him publish our emails. This includes the next email, which explains why rape is usually wrong, (where I am actually just paraphrasing Posner because I agree with him). M.E. believes this might provide a gauge as to whether or not one has sociopathic tendencies. Along the lines of the Roe v. Wade argument in Freakonomics.
The facts of the first email are entirely true. I was very drunk and would not usually reveal such things but, as I said, I was not expecting a response. I certainly never expected it to appear on the website. I did kill the hedgehog but I have done nothing since. That is the only animal I have killed. If anything that just means I have a sadistic personality not a sociopathic/psychopathic one.
"Sounds like any other pretentious, baret-wearing, philosopher-quoting undergrad who sits in trendy cafes writing their supposed novel hoping someone will come by and compliment them on their individuality and post-modern attitude."
This is not me. I am strongly right wing and hate being flash. The attitude you are describing does not fit me at all. I have disdain for people who wear crazy clothes, get tatoos or wear body piercings to try to "stand out". It is my view that one stands out through his accomplishments. Given this perspective, it is of no consequence whether I am sociopath or not: all that matters is whether I achieve my goals.
Hope that clears things up.
I am the real author of these emails.
ReplyDeletePlease don't investigate me. I don't kill people. It's been a long time since I've done anything wrong. I wouldn't normally reveal this stuff, because I'm normal and sane and God I hope that nobody finds this and knows who I am. Did I just say that out loud?
I meant to say that I'm just normal and rational, and you should stop making fun of me. I'm not one of those people you don't like, in fact, I'm so not one of those people that you don't like that I'm going to insult those people you don't like, retract almost everything I said, and explain my behavior in a way that makes it very clear that I'm not one of those people that you don't like. That's how much I'm not one of those people you don't like.
Hope that clears things up.
Thanks Peter Pan: A bit of satire really lights my fire.
ReplyDeleteI, obviously, do not want to prison. I would never go to prison for writing that. I have years of legal education and I'm 100% sure. I don't have any friends at the moment, so your second satirical jest is just ridiculous. With one exception, which would be a potential employer finding it: that is highly unlikely.
I was just stating the truth in the rest of my email. I don't like those people because they have achieved nothing. I measure achievement in terms of adding to the economy and that is my only criterion. That is also how I assess myself.
I don't see how I have retracted anything, so I won't answer that part.
So... You had a conversation with M.E. and then sent e-mails? Or you wrote the e-mails then had the conversation?
ReplyDeleteCause if you made the e-mails after the conversation. I am pretty sure M.E. would not post a drunkenly written e-mail on his blog.
Either way. I do not believe you were drunk in the first one. Because your responses are getting better and better. More vocabulary words. Better punctuation.
Anyway. Lets say you really are a Socio/psycho. Why are you trying to defend yourself? Trying to prove you are one here?
Frankly, I would be embarrassed to have written that first letter. I would never want anyone to know I wrote it.
Mwahahaha.
ReplyDelete"I was just stating the truth in the rest of my email."
ReplyDelete"I am always manipulating and lying. It has got to the point where there is really no difference for me. It is effortless... Sometimes I don't even notice I am doing it and I never really care afterwards."
Self explanatory.
It is my view that one stands out through his accomplishments.
How does this not make you pretentious?
Why do you think that?
Law students typically give logical arguments. Despite his claim for having superior logical thinking, he certainly has proven himself otherwise.
to the author:
ReplyDeleteyour story doesn't ring true because you don't use your own words to "own it", you just use the textbook terms and criteria.
so you trapped a hedgehog, stabbed it, poured boiling water over it, stabbed it again, impaled it with a shard of wood and finally threw it in your neighbour's yard? to be honest, that sounds like you were trying to kill it without success, and it kept squealing, so you panicked and threw it in your neighbour's yard so you wouldn't have to deal with it's suffering and your guilt. lucky you it wasn't a skunk.
Lol, I do kinda agree with you Zoe.
ReplyDeleteExcept, Aren't Sociopaths less intelligent and less stable? I always thought Psychopaths wait for revenge and they think about it a lot. While a sociopath does it on instinct and is more sloppy.
So if that is the case. he might be a Socio...
Oh for crying out loud, you dunces, stop trying to judge someone's fucking disorder on a god damn email. He could be lying, he could've been drunk, he could've been having a bad day, his little brother might've gotten on his account, or you might just be too god damn thick to diagnose someone off of whatever little bits of real, hard information make it through your retinas past those thick skulls of yours and into those rancid diarrhea slushies you call brains.
ReplyDeleteWho the fuck cares if this guy is a sociopath or a psychopath? Why oh why do you insist on arguing over something so utterly unimportant and unknowable? You might as well argue the existence of God, except God would actually be important. This is more like arguing about the existence of God in a Disney movie. Irrelevant, idiotic, stupid, fucking waste of time.
DIE!
Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think the reason for posting this email to the blog is? It's to get our feedback. Do you feel as though you have contributed something valuable to the discussion?
Unfortunately, Kevin, we'll never know whether or not he is a sociopath because he has to amend everything that he says. First, he must apologize for purposely singling out "bad" behavior in his first email after seeing how ineffectively it sends his point. He uses being drunk as an excuse, but we can't believe him because manipulation and lies all seem like truth to him. Furthermore, he has held an ongoing conversation with the author of a sociopathic blog while claiming to not believe he is a sociopath himself but is kind of curious to what M.E. has to say. He has dug himself into a grave, all right.
I'm the author, dipshit.
ReplyDeleteI am the contribution.
Was it valuable? Worth your time?
Here is the problem. The last 4 or 5 years have seen trendy young airheads linking psychopathy to vampyres. Vampyres have been popular in film so there has been an explosion of people googling psychopathic traits. So consequently there has been an explosion of people walking around thinking they are a psychopath (in fact imagining they are more like a vampyre). Two key categories of people doing this are likely to be (a) teens and early-twenties folk genuinelly going through the "who the hell am I?" period of life. These people, probably including the author, deserve a degree of understanding. Then there is (b) inadequete adults, looking for a way to excuse themselves their poor performance and failings. Maybe people with insipient drug or alcohol problems, maybe people who have lost their jobs, maybe people whose irresponsible conduct have been damaging their marriages and relationships to their children. For people in really difficult life-moments, carrying a lot of guilt...oh wouldn't it be lovely to discover one is a psychopath so then one can lose all that guilt and not have to feel bad about all that failure to live up to responsibilities...in fact feel good about it. Wouldn't it be lovely.
ReplyDeleteBut then again, when I think about it like that, this group too deserve some slack. But to that group, it has to be said, this won't help. This might put off that day for a tinsy winsy bit longer, but that day will still come when you wake up in the morning and stare at the ceiling and feel the mental agony that you threw it all away. That day will still come. So wake the hell up, if you possibly can!
I, obviously, do not want to prison.
ReplyDeleteHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I, obviously, retardid with no speel chek and commin since.
That was meant to be spelled that way.
ReplyDeletebut I only drink vodka so I am clearly not an alcoholic. Angry at girls that don"t pay attention to you? That's your rationale for not being a S? How does that even make sense to you? can be very possessive and demanding of loyalty. Its my opinion that if you are a S, you are in the not particularly clever or insightful lot. What I like about sociopaths is that they seem to understand human nature and the motivations of others more than most. You seem lost, confused and destined to be a tool. I am not trying to be mean, really. I don't care if you are or aren't but show some ability to self-assess..people's reaction to you is because they are calling BS on an essentially shallow and hollow description of what S is.
ReplyDeletelost half my comment...
ReplyDeleteOh for crying out loud, you dunces, stop trying to judge someone's fucking disorder on a god damn email.
ReplyDeleteTry to remember that it was this idiot who asked for it. If he can't take the criticism, then he shouldn't have asked to be diagnosed. Humans by nature are judgemental (you yourself have exemplified this fairly well).
Also, why so angry? Might want to see a therapist about that :)
"to the author:
ReplyDeleteyour story doesn't ring true because you don't use your own words to "own it", you just use the textbook terms and criteria.
so you trapped a hedgehog, stabbed it, poured boiling water over it, stabbed it again, impaled it with a shard of wood and finally threw it in your neighbour's yard? to be honest, that sounds like you were trying to kill it without success, and it kept squealing, so you panicked and threw it in your neighbour's yard so you wouldn't have to deal with it's suffering and your guilt. lucky you it wasn't a skunk."
There is some truth in this post. I got rid of the hedgehog because there was blood all over my patio. It was screaming so loudly I thought someone might see what I had done, which would not have been good.
"Either way. I do not believe you were drunk in the first one. Because your responses are getting better and better. More vocabulary words. Better punctuation."
I assure you I was completely wasted. The facts are correctly stated but I obviously didn't express it well.
I laughed at the post about Vampyres... Lol.
Who cares if he asked for it? Would it make you any less of a moron for trying to prove the existence of vampires if I asked you to do it? I don't think so. Sorry, you can't pass your idiocy off on this guy. He really can't afford to spare any IQ points for you, anyway.
ReplyDeleteAngry? I'm not angry, at least not at anyone here. Angry at the world? Probably, though I don't feel it. I could most likely benefit from therapy, but pissing all over everything and everyone I see, for the sheer joy of doing it, is so much more fun.
There is some truth in this post. I got rid of the hedgehog because there was blood all over my patio. It was screaming so loudly I thought someone might see what I had done, which would not have been good.
ReplyDeletewhy didn't you just kill it, knock it on the head with a shovel or something? that you only did this one time at 18 and that you saw the hedgehog's face as human in its suffering suggests you experienced remorse.
Kevin said...
ReplyDeleteLol, I do kinda agree with you Zoe.
Except, Aren't Sociopaths less intelligent and less stable? I always thought Psychopaths wait for revenge and they think about it a lot. While a sociopath does it on instinct and is more sloppy.
they're supposed to be the same thing aren't they? but i kind of agree with you.
i see psychopaths as less able to relate to the world emotionally but caring about fitting in (at least in appearance) and working hard to do it. i see sociopaths as being chameleons, and impulsive, who are emotional but not dominated by their emotions, completely disconnecting under some circumstances.
i'm not sure that intelligence is a factor. couldn't you have an intelligent empath and dumb psychopath? then again going about life always brimming and seething with some emotion must make it hard to think.
I see that the new blood has taken care of this job. Bravo boys. I'm glad to see somebodys pickin up the slack.
ReplyDeleteWho cares if he asked for it? Would it make you any less of a moron for trying to prove the existence of vampires if I asked you to do it?
ReplyDeleteHe may or may not be a sociopath (I don't recall ever saying either). Is arguing against straw men the only way to get your point across without appearing narcissistic?
Angry? I'm not angry, at least not at anyone here. Angry at the world? Probably, though I don't feel it. I could most likely benefit from therapy, but pissing all over everything and everyone I see, for the sheer joy of doing it, is so much more fun.
And yet, you're opposed to others doing it to you or the author for whom you have no personal affinity, (unless you are him, which wouldn't surprise me judging by your inconsistent and borderline incoherent thought process).
That kind of smoke and mirror bullshit isn't going to save your ass here, Ishtar. If you don't know what a straw man is, then don't use the term, and if you can't tell the difference between an analogy and a straw man, you need to check your thinking. You do seem dense, but you're pretty articulate for a retard. It may just be worthwhile to spell this out for you.
ReplyDeleteA third party telling you to discuss something irrelevant and unprovable is analogous to a third party telling you to discuss something irrelevant and unprovable. That's called an analogy, in case the "analogous" bit didn't tip you off. Don't be offended that I'm breaking it down for you like this. After your last post, I'm sure you can understand the need.
Now, a straw man would be something like, say... inventing a straw man, attacking said imaginary straw man, and then using it to secure some kind of imaginary victory that exists only in your own tiny little mind. I can assure you that I'm not stupid enough to do this, either on purpose or by mistake. There's simply no need for it.
Run along now, kiddie. There are plenty of other pointless mysteries that are just waiting for you to pretend to solve them.
Anonymous, do you see the irony in this?
ReplyDeleteIshtar made a strawman fallacy himself by saying that you were making the strawman fallacy.
That's what the "inventing a straw man" bit was for, mate.
ReplyDelete"Sounds like any other pretentious, baret-wearing, philosopher-quoting undergrad who sits in trendy cafes writing their supposed novel hoping someone will come by and compliment them on their individuality and post-modern attitude."
ReplyDelete=Hipster
And they're completely opposite. They're all about love, art, feelings, etc.
His tone leads me to believe he is not a sociopath. There is simply too much sucking up, schmoozing if you will. He's looking for confirmation of his sociopathy, because he equates it to being badass. Hence, he is looking for praise, which is just sad.
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