Excerpts from a reader's email:
I've never exposed myself in this manner before, but some of your readers' words struck a chord with me. So here I am.
I've known what I was ever since I was around 4. That is the first time I molested a female friend. Growing up, I've molested several of my childhood friends. I am much older now, and just recently molested and anally raped a woman whom I seduced at a bar. She took me to her place and passed out. The next morning, it was as if nothing happened. I am a sexual sadist at heart.
My knowledge of my inner being advanced after I realized I would nail mice to wooden planks, grind kittens' heads into cement with my foot, and brutally beat my dog's face with my fists until they bled. I was around 7 when I started, I believe. The feeling would be hard to describe: a rush mixed with uncontrolled rage and ultimate satisfaction. I torture and kill animals to this day, whenever there is a chance.
Everyone perceived me as a very well adjusted, loving, compassionate, intelligent child. But for the most part, it was an ingrained response to veil my pleasures. I was raised by an extremely loving, responsible, and intelligent mother, and more than willing relatives that thought I was simply a joy. I knew my "good side" rendered positive feedback, which in turn lessened culpability. I was never caught, or even suspected of anything. I was a good kid. Today, I am still capable of goodness, however that can be taken.
My motto is "Self-preservation, above all else." I've never been in a physical altercation, and rarely, if ever, have been provoked. Being known as a fighter leads to suspicion. Also, being in a fight could cause permanent injury and even death, if your opponent is more skilled. This infringes on the very framework of self-preservation.
I am a very good-looking, very intelligent, and very capable young man who takes care of his ailing mother and volunteers helping the sick. I publicly advocate the rights of women and am sensitive to every woman's needs. Quick to forgive, slow to fight. I am...perfect. Too perfect. At least for a while.
I am the most dangerous of monsters. I can't be stopped. I won't be stopped. I am in plain sight. If you're not extremely vigilant, subconsciously on the watch…I will tear you to pieces, if it is to my liking. I can also be your saving grace, your best friend, if it is to my liking. It's all about control, which is a bit ironic because I never seemed to be able to control my own impulses to harm others.
No one has ever known about me and my little secrets, and no one ever will. They will be kept locked away forever; away from counselors, parents, friends, and strangers alike. No one will ever know what I truly am...and that is the beauty of it all. Pure anonymity and elusiveness. I truly resent your labels and terms. Like attention-seeking whores, you gossip, solicit yourselves, and indulge your own fantasies of being a monster, a "sociopath". I understand myself completely, but what makes me dangerous is my complete understanding of those unlike me. I understand I will never stop raping; will never stop torturing; will never stop destroying.
God complex, much?
ReplyDeleteNothing more than a slave. That's my label for you.
you just had your secrets published on a public blog so the strangers bit is out
ReplyDeletewe all stop in the end
No one has ever known about me and my little secrets, and no one ever will.
ReplyDeleteUh, except all the people you molested, raped and abused? Some of whom I assume have or may press charges? Then everyone will know?
Your time WILL run out. The bigger your god complex and the more you think no one will ever/can find you out, the sloppier you will get, and the faster you will get torn down.
And I'm a braggart.~
ReplyDeleteThis reads like adolescent fanfiction, but I'll give the little thing the benefit of the doubt. Can't wait to see his face on the evening news. :)
Also reads like taunt notes that serial killers send to law enforcement shortly before they get caught.
ReplyDeleteFACTOR X!
Future politician.
ReplyDeleteProbably written to spice this place up.
ReplyDelete"My knowledge of my inner being advanced after I realized I would nail mice to wooden planks, grind kittens' heads into cement with my foot, and brutally beat my dog's face with my fists until they bled"
ReplyDeleteremarkably perceptive deep self awareness
I want to read the part where he shares about how he's on talking terms with his old man, Lucifer, since he's the new antichrist and all, sent to show the wold how beautiful and macabre his reign of terror will be, raping one woman at a time. Pelvic fortitude is strong in this one, no doubt.
ReplyDeleteNo one will ever know what I truly am...and that is the beauty of it all. Pure anonymity and elusiveness. I truly resent your labels and terms. Like attention-seeking whores, you gossip, solicit yourselves, and indulge your own fantasies of being a monster, a "sociopath". I understand myself completely, but what makes me dangerous is my complete understanding of those unlike me.
ReplyDeleteExcellent.
Are you being sarcastic Notable?
ReplyDeleteI must say, i agree with the views of Postmodern and Medusa on this.
ReplyDeleteFUCK THIS GUY! HOW COULD HE KILL THOSE POOR LITTLE ANIMALS! WHAT A BASTARD IF I EVER GOT MY HANDS ON THAT LITTLE SHIT! IF SOMEONE DID THAT TO MY CAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT ID DO. IMAGINE THAT, WALKING IN AND FINDING MY CATS INSIDES SPRAWLED OVER THE WALLS, BLOOD RUNNING DOWN THE WALLS.
ReplyDeleteI enjoy you're blog entries postmodern sociopath, it's a shame you don't type some up often. Can i ask, when will you type up the next entry?
ReplyDeleteWhen I get around to thinking of something or finishing one of my half-formed bits. Busy and whatnot. Happy to answer any queries in blog form if you want your name up in lights, sort of, though.
ReplyDeleteMy name up in lights? What?
ReplyDeleteId est, posting your email and my response.
ReplyDeleteAh, you have a large following Postmodern?
ReplyDeleteNo, not really. I don't really care to accrue one. People email, I respond.
ReplyDeletewhat is it about killing animals? because they're helpless right? it's all about having no real power and raping others is the same. No real power...that's too bad.
ReplyDeleteI don't know about the rape, Grace. As for animals, I think it was a conscious level of curiosity and sadistic entertainment. Maybe it was asserting power on the subconscious? It's been a long time. I think the rush and pleasure of seeing their torment is what matters to get your fix.
ReplyDeleteThis is more common with kids, especially boys, then people realize. My son had a thing with squishing bugs and worms. When other moms told me they saw their boys do the same, I stopped over reacting and just told him it's gross and unkind.
ReplyDeleteIt's power "I'm big your small" when you torture an animal or even a human you dominate them, it doesn't matter if they can do something better than you can, you have their life in your hand, your the master.
ReplyDeleteI liked seeing the blood coming from the animals, it gave me a certain type of frenzy. I'm guessing that stabbing someone would have the same rush, although i have never tried.
Grace, it is not normal for kids to kill bugs, they are aware it's alive, in my opinion the smaller the creature/human the bigger the bully.
ReplyDeleteWhere any of you bullies in high school?
ReplyDeleteI killed a few birds in my backyard but that was so my mom could cook them. I so liked doing that and i can't wait for the next time my butcher skills are needed.
ReplyDeleteWhat i didn't do, i never tortured animals and i wonder how that's like. I would like to cut off a toe first, to see how it works without one, cut out their wings, stab them in the back, feel them struggling in my hand while i cut them in half.
But that's just a fantasy.
You may feel a small ounce of shame the first few times, although you enjoyed it, to counter this an empath would state "I'm never going to kill an animal again" A socio would state "After a few kills I'll get used to it" it's this attitude of going in deep and never looking back, if something crosses my mind, there is a good chance I'll do it if the rewards outweigh the penalty.
ReplyDeleteWould we? Being an empathetic person myself, I know that's not how I'd counter it... though I wouldn't do it in the first place. To justify killing spiders and other insects, I just remind myself they aren't sentient, so I'm not really hurting them.
ReplyDelete'you shall not kill' did not exclude those that are not 'sentient.' Deep empath would first feel some guilt then judge the level of guilt to follow with rationalization, regret or dissociation.
ReplyDeleteYou mean an empath would feel guilt from killing a fly ?
ReplyDeleteI don't believe that.
ReplyDeleteSounds like someone doesn't realize how little his actions matter in the universe. We're small things in something much bigger than ourselves. His actions will be utterly forgotten, the repercussions lost even from memory before he's even gone. He's a slave to his own Id. Deluding himself of control when his impulses actually rule. Bah. Not worth the time to think about.
ReplyDeletewas does sentient mean? seriously, what? i thought anything that's living and breathing is sentient.
ReplyDeletei agree with Anon, 7.44. i judge how much something is a threat or a perceived threat, then kill it. i hate spiders and our house had loads. i'd generally catch and release them. though they creeped me out. years later i killed a few, the ones i couldn't catch. don't like it though. the first time i felt guilt, then somehow, it just gets easier.
Bah, I qualify as a kiind of empath. I'm also strict vegetarian. Killing bugs is an annoyance but I don't feel guilty for it. I don't feel guilty cooking meat for friends/family either. There's a limit to how much guilt effects people. If you eat meat you're the recipient of 'murder' and therefore an accessory and I guarantee that most feel no guilt for it. Something about meat being delicious delicious murder.
ReplyDeleteIt's great having magical thinking.
ReplyDeleteWhen a socio kills something they just say fuck it and it won't haunt him/her again.
ReplyDeletehere's a question. do any of the socios here have phobias? with regards to any animal or anything else.
ReplyDeleteIt may not be normal but they do it. He's older now and knows better but he had to be taught that it's wrong to do that. He didn't seem to understand that on his own. He's only seven so I understand. I bring him to the dog pound every week to walk a dog. He gets the picture. That's the thing..some little boys need to be taught how to treat helpless things. He's a black belt now so he gets to be powerful in that way. He will never bully anyone...or he will make me very unhappy and that scares him more than anything. And that's how it should be...for now.
ReplyDeleteI have a fear of flying. How about you notme?
ReplyDeletea deep empath feels sorrow when a plant under his/her care dies. a deep empath feels responsible for all the beauty and good on earth, and any loss in that regard is a failure and a cause for guilt. by the same token he/she gets a high each time good surfaces or evil disappears.
ReplyDeleteWell, I mean they supposedly don't feel pain.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I didn't say I don't feel guilty, I just mean I wouldn't be able to kill insects if I couldn't tell myself that :p Regardless, we don't just tell ourselves we'll never do it again and feel better.
hence notme's not wanting to see fights.
ReplyDeleteAs a youngster I never had the fear of flying, it developed around a year ago, it's a horrible phobia :P
ReplyDeletemy ex didn't have phobias that i know of..can't recall. My mother couldn't drive on the highway or go over a bridge until she was in her forties.
ReplyDeleteCan you imagine..I just fly all over the place.
I was having panic attacks after the columbine shooting. every time i went to work on the subway i started to shake...realizing how vulnerable I was. It passed after a few months.
assume you are dead already before boarding.
ReplyDeleteI'm a control freak and on a plane I have little to no control.
ReplyDelete"it developed around a year ago, it's a horrible phobia :P"
ReplyDeleteWhy?
I'm not sure Misanthrope.
ReplyDeleteBugs are the only thing I can kill and the thought that their multiplying is stunted goes thru my mind everytime.
ReplyDeleteTalking about creepy that bizzar suduction thing last nite had to be a guy, no clue what they we're doing, just screaming look at me.
To use a phrase Madusa copied from other's,
It made me throw up in my mouth.
I'd hazard a guess that it was you Anon. And we all know who 'you' are.
ReplyDeleteI think some meds would come in handy. The schizophrenia needs controlling a bit.
I think most kids like to squish bugs, Grace, especially boys. Most kids have to be taught empathy to an extent.
ReplyDeleteI used to burn ants with a magnifying glass when I was a kid. Pretty normal thing to do. Didn't really occur to me that they were living beings, just little things that moved around.
These days, though, I don't kill things, even insects. I actually like letting spiders hang around because most of them are harmless and respect my personal space.
Only thing I kill are centipedes. Those guys are just rude.
Thought empathy lolz
ReplyDelete'just little things that moved around'
ReplyDeleteMedusa, THAT was adorbs. right, shoot me. :)
A kill any insects or rodents that enter my living space uninvited. When I was younger, and my house became infested with mice, I used to trap them in cans, pour lighter fluid all over them and drop a match. Now I just use traps and spray(most of the time). I don't think that anyone should feel bad about killing insects. Their life spans are so short that it really doesn't make much of a difference.
ReplyDeleteI'd never teach my kid empathy, they'd grow up a sucker like everyone else.
ReplyDeleteDo you live @ the city dump?
ReplyDelete"Do you live @ the city dump?"
ReplyDeleteI lived in a few shitholes, when I was younger. Mice and insects got in. Now I live wherever I like.
Aware of any decent scam ideas Misanthrope?
ReplyDeleteYes. Just write down all of your details and I'll show you one.
ReplyDeleteLulz I deserved that.
ReplyDeleteLol that was a good one Misanthrope.
ReplyDeleteAnyone else find abandoned building captivating? I love looking at them especially if they have a dark history.
ReplyDeleteI rape people on Call of Duty
ReplyDelete@ non 10:08. i love old industrial buildings, abandoned. they used to be an outlet for an urge to break things. i also love the look and feel of them--sometimes the graffiti in them gets really complex, sometimes people do whole murals in them. they're just kind of spare and interesting, the fixtures are interesting, the old metal and wood. old cemeteries too have this funny draw. i think it's something about the old grave markers--how sculpted they were.
ReplyDeleteI shoot at people until they are dead in video games, and feel no remorse.
ReplyDeleteMy friends call me the pixel puncher
ReplyDeleteThere was an abandoned building with no roof near where I lived in Brooklyn. Crack vials, porn, and dirty clothing completely covered the floor about a foot deep. Incredible spray-paint artwork on the walls. Not really any people there in the daytime except one guy who was living in one of the rooms, who sat on an recliner and he just sat there and stared at something like he was watching TV. He had this whole room set up like a living room, but, no roof.
ReplyDeleteWhen I lived in Brooklyn I collected large abandoned toys I found in the street... Big Wheels, stuff like that. I painted them all black and was going to make a mobile and set it up in the crackhouse. I never actually did it, but I wish I did.
I dislike graffiti in general, It reminds me of petty thuggery.
ReplyDeleteWow that was some bad writing. Sorry about that. The story deserves better.
ReplyDeleteI'm not a fan of graffiti either, but some of the stuff around Brooklyn was incredible and very creepy. It was beyond graffiti.
ReplyDeleteTag markings are just lame. Put some effort into it, at least. Show us who you are in your graffiti if you really want to own your territory. Art can be powerful.
Big bubbly 3-D word graffiti, while slightly better, gets boring fast, too.
Hah I wouldn't call a tag a signifier of dominance, I'd use a skyscraper as one of those.
ReplyDeletesomeone tagged the side of my car once--it wasn't personal, it had been parked out in the middle of nowhere for a while. it was pretty interesting, though--if you saw it up close, it looked like shit, but from a distance it had all this vivid color and movement. :D people used to ask me if i did it myself. it was kind of a conversation starter.
ReplyDeleteTouché, anon.
ReplyDeleteThough signifiers of dominance these days are imaginary things with no actual physical attributes.
What do you mean by that?
ReplyDeleteHave you guys seen the movie "The good son" ?
ReplyDeleteI just did, pretty good.
intense grafitti
ReplyDeletegrafitti is a way of screaming on a surface sometimes. i think it's why i don't mind tag art so much, even though some of it does get boring.
Sociopaths have a need for power. Its not a urge or a want. Its a need. How and who is the only question. The weak sociopaths will take power of those who are weaker. This guy said he is a coward, but on nights when drunken women are passed out he is a god. He says the only other things he torments is defenseless animals. What I don't understand is that you are proud of being weak. Can you explain?
ReplyDeleteAnon, $$$$.
ReplyDeleteWhich these days is several degrees from being anything real in space and time. Hedge funds, short-selling, etc.
4th dimension money.
And celebrity, of course. And whoever owns the media and government.
But we were only talking about gangs, so I digress.
on nights when drunken women are passed out he is a god
ReplyDeleteYet another classic.
Sounds like a low level serial killer.
ReplyDeleteAre you kidding, Anon? Serial anal rape of drugged women? Sounds like a real man to me.~
ReplyDeleteeverything is abstract, money is abstract, even screams are abstract. it's important to make them concrete. people who rape will always exist. it's the indifference around it that kills.
ReplyDeleteI watched a Dahmer interview a couple of days ago. Even he was smart enough and honest enough with himself to calmly admit that his actions were the result of what was truthfully a feeling of lack of control and weakness.
ReplyDeleteDesperation. Is weakness. It's even more pathetic when people can't see where their so-called 'impulses' originate. People put too much stock in innate born-with-it personality.
Why do you hang around if you hate sociopaths Medusa?
ReplyDeleteArthur Sedille was up-front with police: He would often put a gun to his wife's head during fantasy sex play at their Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, home.
ReplyDeleteBut Sedille said he didn't know the gun was loaded when he pressed it to his wife's head and pulled the handgun's slide back during sex on the night of December 21.
Now Sedille, 23, is facing the possibility of a murder charge in Canadian County, Oklahoma, in the death of his wife, 50-year-old Rebecca Sedille -- who died when the handgun went off in their bedroom.
Did she die?
ReplyDeleteMaybe she wanted to die? Loaded the gun without telling him? Assisted suicide without telling your executioner seems a bit rude, but I've seen stranger things.
ReplyDeleteMarc and Misty Royce of Circleville were killed in a crash on a snowy road on their way to help Marc Royce's daughter, Kacey Stacey, plan funerals for her three children, who died in a mobile home fire over the weekend.
ReplyDeleteIn the car accident, Misty Royce's two children from a previous marriage and a 6-month-old baby they shared were injured. They were treated at a hospital, as were the occupants of a second vehicle in the crash.
children in care of losers...
ReplyDeleteWow, sounds like the wife probably had worse issues than even the guy. Married to someone less than half your age and allowing him to put a gun to her head. She had a death wish for sure, and she got what she asked for. Sad.
ReplyDeleteI don't hate sociopaths. It's silly to hate someone based off of a label. I dislike certain individuals, not entire groups. I don't much respect anyone who can't at least try to be honest with themselves, regardless of whether or not they are honest with others.
A woman was sexually assualted last night after leaving a bar with another man. Police say he sent them a type written letter taunting them about the incident and saying there will be more to come.
ReplyDeleteIn a morbid mood today, eh, anon?
ReplyDeleteThat's some seriously horrible bad luck, mobile-home 'losers' or not.
final piece in interesting ways of passingd...
ReplyDeleteFive teenagers who died of apparent carbon monoxide poisoning in a Hialeah, Florida, motel room had gathered to celebrate a birthday, police said Tuesday.
Although an official cause of death won't be released until autopsies are completed, the investigation so far shows the teenagers apparently died because they left a car with a troublesome starter running in a closed garage beneath their room, police spokesman Carl Zogby said.
"Unfortunately, whoever could tell us what the intent of leaving the car on (was) is dead," Zogby said. "But we are being told by some friends that it probably had starter engine trouble."
"All the evidence indicates clearly a carbon monoxide poisoning," he said, noting no alcohol or drugs were found in the room the five had rented at the Hotel Presidente.
i actually wonder about dahmer sometimes. he grew up in a town not too far from where i grew up. it had this creepy vibe--as if everything on the surface was far too pretty and perfect, just this obsessive need to keep up appearances that you often see in midwestern suburbs, especially ones that are fairly affluent. but there was always something underneath going on there. it manifested in the urban legends--the campfire kind you tell to scare yourself and your friends. all of them were supposed to have taken place in these towns, kirtland and bath. there was the deep sense that something was "off" there---despite the "good son" beautiful surface.
ReplyDeleteapparently that was true even before dahmer became known.
i wonder what happened to him there. something did. and whatever it was, it was covered up by this "good moral" community. there was a complicity to look the other way. it's how it is with abuse--especially in "perfect" communities.
he was pretty horrendous--what he did was pretty horrendous. but i think it's sort of a moral catch-22 to see monster in him while still wanting to believe in the beautiful surface. whatever was done to him was, on some level, socially accepted. it's sort of a polarization of good and evil. and really, i don't know if there is such a thing.
indifference is the killer.
I read that last story a couple hours ago. The report I read said they left the car on all night because they were afraid they wouldn't be able to get it started the next morning.
ReplyDeleteStupid kids.
It's interesting how so many serial killers come out of the midwest.
ReplyDeleteIn Dahmer's case, it's clear his parents were hiding something serious if you watch the re-released version of the 90s interviews with Stone Phillips. Mom and Dad are both creepy.
An open question I've wondered about for quite a while:
ReplyDeleteHow sociopathic is really deep seated sadism? On some level it strikes me that there must be a degree of empathy involved in wanting to impress pain on someone/thing else. I would describe myself as violent maybe and I've hurt animals but usually if I'm hurting someone it's about establishing a dominant relationship with the person. I like power and I like feeling I have power over someone and as far as I can tell I don't have any compunction about hurting someone to achieve a goal but my goal is never as simple as causing pain. Causing pain has always struck me as a means to an end rather than an end in itself.
For example, if a dog tries to chase me or intimidate me I have the urge to kick the shit out of it but otherwise I'm happy to leave it be. It's active challenges that make me bristle - even when they're petty like in that case. Is seeking out victims for the sole purpose of torture a trait that's common to sociopaths or that's even purely sociopathic? I'm wary of saying no because it's annoying seeing how many people try to define a label like sociopath in terms of themselves; they will say "well, I'm not like that so that isn't how sociopaths are." which just seems intellectually weak.
I definitely did feel some BS from that letter but I try to start from "okay, assuming that's true what then?" rather than just writing people off as frauds. Mostly I'm curious what other people think of sadism which certainly isn't confined to sociopaths. As someone else said sadistic impulses carried out on small animals seem more like an expression of power over the weak as a substitute for real power.
Destitute or abused children try to take control of their environments because they feel powerless. For some, this manifests as animal abuse, for others it's hoarding, and so on and so on.
ReplyDeleteIt's hardly "deep seated" i carry my sadism everywhere, most bullies do.
ReplyDeleteWanting to "kick the shit" out of a dog for attacking you is normal, it does not cross the border into psychopathy, if a dog attacked me I'd respect it more "wow that's a mean son of a bitch", but when i see a little cute vulnerable puppy, that really makes my blood boil, i just want to do unimaginable things to it.
ReplyDeleteIt's similar to a prison, you aren't going to fight the "big dog" in there you befriend them, and when the retards/suckers come in you bully them.
ReplyDeleteYou either think like a predator or you don't.
@ medusa--i think so too, but hardly anyone else seems to pick up on that. there's just this blunt sort of nothing there.
ReplyDeletei don't know what it is about the midwest. when i left it, all i could do was breathe a sigh of relief. it's all that homespun goodness, but something is really going on under the surface. it always is. maybe the desperation to appear so homespun all the time makes it worse. the shadow grows. lol. corny.
Unmasked, i want to put that kid in my big red rusty van.
ReplyDeleteHow sociopathic is really deep seated sadism? On some level it strikes me that there must be a degree of empathy involved in wanting to impress pain on someone/thing else.
ReplyDeleteInteresting point, and I really like your entire comment.
If a person has no empathy, feelings for or about others, etc, then why would they see a person as any different than an inanimate object? Wouldn't you be more indifferent?
I mean, who goes around stabbing mountains and trees and stuff just for the pleasure of it? You might raze the mountain or chop down the tree because they are in the way of you getting from point A to point B, otherwise, why would you bother?
The quest for power is anything but indifferent to others and their feelings.
In other words you think your ex still loves you.
ReplyDeleteAnd punctuation-challenged anon, you obviously have no idea what 'deep-seated' means.
ReplyDeleteThe more you post, the more stupid you make yourself look.
All the grade-school bullies I knew are now nobody losers now, by the way. The apex of their lives was in primary and secondary school, then way downhill from there. This is your future, son. A couple years of fun, and then 50 years of misery and hate.
And your insight is god-awful and grasping at straws. You are see-through to everyone here.
ReplyDeleteI'd posit that most of humanity is inherently cruel and capable of enjoying sadism right out of the box. The formation of guilt/empathy from societal moral compasses I think halts someone. But if you give someone a reason to look beyond that basic, human respect by giving them a way to enable their sadism, they're perfectly capable of it. How many people in the SS were taught from an early age that Jews were subhumans? We can argue the same point with many genocides, racial/religious wars, et cetera.
ReplyDeleteGive the "enemy" a label, and they're no longer a normal human being. And worst of all, being with the right people per se, you gain acceptance for your sadistic actions, and they're no longer under the labels of murder, but justified action.
You could apply that same logic to any living organism, animals and insects alike. Just tell the kid that spiders and ants are bad and Junior will go on willing killing sprees and save you a few bucks on an exterminator ;)
GRK, I see that you are still trolling.
ReplyDeleteAnon hit a nerve :o
ReplyDeleteInanimate objects don't squirm, cry, scream, etc. They are nonreactive. It's similar to the bullying idea, really. Bullies aren't (necessarily) trying to get people to feel so that they can feed off the feeling, they're just trying to get a reaction of any kind. Sadism seems more of a reaction to being ignored than anything else, in many cases.
ReplyDeleteThat's what I was trying to say, post.
ReplyDeleteNotable, I'd disagree. I think it's more akin to a comment on another site I read a few moments ago that was referring to another comment regarding the seeds of political revolution:
ReplyDelete"His message represents that subterranean urge in all of us when the going gets tough: “Reach out and kill someone.”
It's not about being cruel, it's not about 'enjoying' sadism (a tautology, by the way). It's about creating a balance first and foremost. It's indifferent.
The 'enjoying' part is not about the infliction of pain in and of itself, it's about what it represents.
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ReplyDeleteAnd I'd agree with what Post said as well, which is basically the same thing I just said, only shorter.
ReplyDeleteI've never felt jealousy, but I am infested with envy, which is the worst type of aggression, envy desires to possess.
ReplyDeleteProvoking a reaction in people was definitely my main reason for bullying when I was younger. I enjoyed tormenting other children to the point where they would scream, cry, lash out at me etc. I still do like to push certain people to their boundaries, just to see how long I can hold them there before they snap.
ReplyDeleteSame here, do you ever do it to strong person? Or someone similar to yourself, to test oneself.
ReplyDeleteThe web is a sociopaths wet dream, you can torment all the dummies you want and not get caught by the town halls.
ReplyDeleteKilling Jews, Gypsies, Christians, Blacks, Homosexuals, and children doesn't qualify as Revolution in my book. It might be part of a revolution, but it's not the revolution.
ReplyDeleteReaching out and killing someone is the absolute form of dominance. You're taking someone's entire life, everything they've been and could have been, and snuffing it away. It doesn't have to be sadistic, but it is sometimes. You watch videos of grown men laughing as they hack someone to pieces, or torturing a Sudanese woman in public, spilling her blood all over the dirt road while cackling, and tell me that isn't enjoyment through inducing harm to others.
Step back twenty-forty years when they were laughing and stomping the bugs that they deemed below them, and possibly even a threat.
I don't subscribe to humans being on a pedestal, detached from the rest of the animal kingdom. We're creatures that somewhere down the evolutionary line, rose out of the muck. In the grand scheme of everything, the only difference between killing someone and your neighbor's dog are the consequences. Some kids just get bored of squishing spiders.
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ReplyDeleteI don't get why M.E is going around wearing his (I'm a socio badge) I read some of the older posts, and he even told his sister he was a sociopath, I've never told anyone I'm a sociopath and I never will, not only is it corny to tell
ReplyDeleteSomeone your a socio, but do the math, why else would
It be a bad idea?
Killing Jews, Gypsies, Christians, Blacks, Homosexuals, and children doesn't qualify as Revolution in my book.
ReplyDeleteWho ever said it was? All that stuff you list is about fear, inferiority, jealousy (meaning fear of losing what one already possesses), envy, etc.
The American Revolution and the American Civil War, on the other hand, was about re-balancing an unbalance, getting out from under, often in response to what I just said in the previous paragraph. Totally different.
I don't subscribe to humans being on a pedestal, detached from the rest of the animal kingdom.
Neither do I. I hardly think my cat, or any other animal, is a sadist or does anything out of pure cruelty.
The rest of your post is surface-level analysis.
Good god my grammar is awful today. Oh well.
ReplyDeleteDo you feel envious Medusa? Or jealous?
ReplyDeleteNot jealousy, but definitely envy.
ReplyDeleteI think envy is natural and healthy unless it is unchecked.
I dunno if it's "pure cruelty", but dolphins are dicks.
ReplyDeleteYou have a value for truth, don't you medusa? It tells me you are a kind soul.
ReplyDeleteI have the value for the truth too.
ReplyDeleteHow our we suppose to follow your train of thought Oh great leader of the blog Medusa if your grammar is so bad. Color in the lines please.
ReplyDeleteYou haven't read mush of her stuff Anon if you think she has a kind soul
I thought they called you people liars?
ReplyDeleteOy, Post, interesting article, although it makes me feel a little ill.
ReplyDeleteI think the answer is found herein:
"It is only now, with dolphins' more human-friendly behavior taking them closer to tourist boats and beaches, that the violence is being witnessed first hand"
Humans are a bad influence, I say!~
Yes, I value the truth, even if I never really will know what it is.
ReplyDeleteIt's probably the only thing I really value.
I think it's absurd how people anthropomorphise dolphins and other animals, rather than see them, and ourselves for what we are, capable of being nurturing and destructive. I think that's partly why I hate the infantile way we have sea life parks and zoos, that treat animals like damn pets. I really hate those places and don't go on principle. Poor animals, what a crap life they must lead there.
ReplyDeleteI think cos dolphins 'look' like they're smiling, much like we do, that people deem them sweet and innocent. How silly can humans get?
But how does your mind go from valuing the truth to being a kind soul? What's the connection?
ReplyDeleteI have my own ideas, but I'd be interested in hearing yours.
Just saying, truthful people are more often good doers, that's all.
ReplyDeleteThe topic at hand wasn't revolution in the first place. I was commenting originally to Mr. Fox about sadism within humanity, and that someone who was even brought up 'right' could be transformed into a machine of hate given the proper circumstances. Then, you side-tracked about revolution and the need to right wrongs, or balance, or something like that, and went on to refute my point on sadism.
ReplyDeleteYou can have your idealism and read your articles and philosophies about why humans do what they do. But it's happening everywhere, all around the globe, and you're either blind to it, or you're arguing for the sake of arguing, which serves no purpose.
Go ahead and watch some of it, if you don't believe me. It isn't terribly graphic compared to some of the ridiculous action movies, though I'd suppose that wouldn't bug you much in the first place.
Everyone is capable of being sadistic. It's a choice for most. It's an impulse for others.
You need to realize that not everyone shares your views notme, when you do that you can grow.
ReplyDeleteI think it's absurd how people anthropomorphise dolphins and other animals
ReplyDeleteI was going to say the exact same thing. Same words even.
"Oh, must be some sort of 'target practice'!"
I despise zoos and the like as well, no matter how well-treated the animals are or how great the facilities are. Depressing places.
As much as I would like to work around animals (and I really really really want to), I've thrown away many of my ideas on how to do so because all the opportunities that exist are so narcissistic, except for just leaving them be.
That's untrue notable, most humans who have had harsh backgrounds are self harmers, not hate filled sociopaths.
ReplyDeleteNotable, if you thought my post was about "righting wrongs" or "idealism", I give up.
ReplyDeleteKeeping reading what you want to in it, though. You will forever miss the point.
And anon, I ain't no do-gooder. Too self-absorbed for that.
i remember listening to an interview with a man whose field was the study of torture as it relates to international law. (this was not long after the photos from abu ghraib had been released.)
ReplyDeletehe noted, "there's no such thing as a little torture." once someone engages in it, it seems to tap into something basic in the human psyche and takes on a life of its own.
(also: see the milgram study. there weren't any dissenters. almost anyone can be turned into a torturer, given the wrong circumstances. sadly.)
we are animals. and animals are animals :) with all the damaging and beneficial impulses we have. i don't think it's a question of whether those impulses are good or bad in a strict moral sense. it's about finding effective ways to modulate them.
oops. kind of irrelevant now. :D
ReplyDeleteYou basically just said that you would free every animal giving the chance, you are worse than notme for spewing white lies, your not a bad person, stop putting up walls.
ReplyDeletei think we're quite similar on that Medusa. I love animals so much so it's a catch 22, how to have them around if you always hate to see thier freedom compromised. I had goldfish as a child, we had two budgies, and a beautiful persian cat. The cat had all the freedom it wanted (it was a pedigree but it basically lived like it was feral, lol). But yeah, I feel guilty that I had those other animals confined. The cat killed the budgie, but that's another story. lol.
ReplyDeleteMy bro recently had three piranhas in his room, he woke up and there were two left. lol, the bastards had eaten the third one. I made him release them back into the wild. I warned him. I did warn him. :) (i just remember the look on my bros face when he told me). so funny.
You can't just give a mechanical animalistic view on sadism or torture, there is a much deeper disturbance than that, if you look into the eyes of a killer, you know something isn't right.
ReplyDeleteThe topic at hand wasn't revolution in the first place.
ReplyDeleteYou are the one that went off about revolution. The quote I posted happened to be in response to talk about revolution, but that wasn't why I posted it. I posted it to illustrate a basic human need.
But it's happening everywhere, all around the globe
Uh, duh. Of course it is. God, you just cannot get past surface level stuff, can you?
Why are you acting like you are the only one that is aware or have seen violence in the world?
I never said that sadism doesn't exist. I'm talking about where the sadism comes from, and instead of responding to that you are telling me over and over that sadism exists.
Fucking dense.
Why are you taking that rap from her Notable? Your the sociopath here.
ReplyDeleteI didn't think your post was about righting wrongs or idealism. Human sadism in the proper situations is well documented, and it's not about "balancing" the unbalanced. I guess I shouldn't have used "righting wrongs". Whatever. It came off very idealistic, and you mentioning your house cat and sadism was absurd.
ReplyDeleteAnd yay, GRK keeps putting words in my mouth.
ReplyDeleteNever said I would free any animal if given the chance, nor did I ever say I was a bad person.
Now I'm starting to feel the sadism for realz...too many fucking idiots.
'you mentioning your house cat and sadism was absurd.'
ReplyDeletewas that to me? I wasn't really talking about sadism per se. I just don't like seeing animals or people confined. Jeez.
The cat had freedom anyway. and it was cute. we both win.
Ha Stanford isn't sadism.
ReplyDeleteI was wondering, how does low impulse control fit into the description of a sociopath?
ReplyDeleteLow impulse control would in certain situations stand in the way of a good manipulation and sometimes it stands in the way of getting the big chunk of power. Both of which are thing sociopath go after. Isn't there some impulse control needed after all?
Let's say that while you wait for something to happen so that you may act on it an impulse of rage comes out of nowhere, or out of something small, and spoils your scheme because you, supposedly act on it.
Or what if i did something bad and someone asks me about it and instead of making a good excuse (lying), i blurt out in rage at them.
How does it really work?
It means we are quick to anger because we don't internalize.
ReplyDeleteAnon, what white lies are you referring to that I've told?
ReplyDeleteSorry notme but my selective memory only remembers people I envy, you are dog poop to me, I can remember most of what UKan says.
ReplyDeleteListen, let me clarify and back things up a bit.
ReplyDeleteThe point I was trying to make is how sadism relates to people like the OP or GRK (and sometimes some of the smarter folk around here even). Not some 'natural human nature' or Milgram type of thing.
People like the OP and GRK attribute their violence to something natural within themselves, to some kind of personal 'power' or 'factor x' when it's really just a response to feeling powerless, ignored, inferior, and weak.
Mike, I think some people equate being power-hungry with being a sociopath.
ReplyDeleteAre they the same thing?
"It means we are quick to anger because we don't internalize.
ReplyDeleteOk, you don't internalize. So when someone criticizes you you take it personal and blurt out in rage towards them, but that rage that you blurted out just costed you your perceived image by the other people.
@ Medusa: From what i heard, yeah, same thing.
ReplyDeleteBut then that would mean that wayyyyyy more than 2% (or whatever) of the population is a sociopath.
ReplyDeleteNo, notme, I wasn't addressing you or your kitty :P
ReplyDelete@ Medusa: So you're saying that sociopaths aren't power hungry?
ReplyDeleteIt's 1 percent and that's factor twos included, which are dumb stabbed a guy outside a club sociopaths.
ReplyDeleteBecause i would beg to differ. Maybe all sociopaths are power hungry but that doesn't mean that all power hungry people are sociopaths.
ReplyDeleteCute... Sure, that's very important notme, keep it cute.
ReplyDeleteMedusa, you are behaving uncharacteristically angry. Something is not right, what is it? Mad at yourself for grammar?
There's gotta be many triggers/drivers of sadism. Anyone who feels to know care to categorize?
Right.(sarcasm)
ReplyDeleteAhaha I just pictured a wheelchair bound sociopath, WTF?
ReplyDeleteNamely, at which point does a socipath cease being a full-blown sociopath (through learned impulse control and whatnot) and just become simply power-hungry?
ReplyDeleteLets smoke a bowl and then talk.
ReplyDeleteSo, back to the question i was asking: how does a sociopath choose between his impulses and his need for power.
ReplyDeleteAnon, I don't know why I'm feeling so feisty today.
ReplyDeleteProbably because I woke up too early, am procrastinating really badly, and have no weed.
What is an OP?
ReplyDeleteThat's what i am asking Medusa, that's what i am asking...
ReplyDeleteBelieve it or not, my questions were in direct response to your original question Mike.
ReplyDeleteThey can't Mike, that is why most don't succeed, I honestly think that the self aware ones here have a good chance of obtaining power, the first step is to make your evil traits your valued ones.
ReplyDeleteOh, okay. We are on the same page then.
ReplyDeleteOP = Oppressive Prick
ReplyDeleteAnon, it doesn't matter that you don't envy me. You are just a prick after all.
ReplyDelete@ Medusa: Well glad to have you by my side. :)
ReplyDelete@ Anon: Alright, so self-awareness is a plus. Is that the only thing ?
Hate is counter intimacy, when you call a narc a prick they love it, they feed on hate.
ReplyDeleteSadism from sociopaths comes from contempt and distain for people that they percieve to be a weaker species. As far as psychopathic serial killers, many have said the act of killing was nothing to them. They enjoyed the control aspect: such as stalking, torture, and baiting. Killing just came with it. Like taking out the trash.
ReplyDeletePoor impulse control is a sociopaths bane. You are right, Mike. Sensibily sociopaths shouldnt have low impulse control to where they ruin opportunities. Nature does not try to make sense. It just is.
I am satisfied. So sociopaths just happen to be one way or the other. Some by chance choose impulses over power, for some reason, and others choose power and restrain their blood-hungry impulses, or they find an outlet that nobody knows about.
ReplyDeleteSelf awareness seems pretty important. If you know why you are being destructive/self-destructive, you can figure out a different way to operate. The sadism and anger doesn't go away with that knowledge. Just the ability to forge them as tools instead of letting them run your life, I'd say.
ReplyDeleteI think sadism in sociopaths can also come from deep-seated contempt at their own weak selves or at what the world has previously put them through (which perhaps made them feel weak, but not necessarily). Not all, of course.
ReplyDeleteSome are mostly fueled by anger (raging fools), some are mostly fueled by power (self-controlled).
No?
'Hate is counter intimacy, when you call a narc a prick they love it, they feed on hate.'
ReplyDeleteI know, and I know you don't match the calibre of my type of man in any shape or form. You scramble at me for the smallest semblance of any'thing' but you'll always be, well... how can I put this without lowering myself to your level, let's just say, beneath me.
Keep trying though. It's a long road ahead of you and it won't ever end.
W. verification: tamed.
huh, if only.
The sadism and anger doesn't go away with that knowledge. Just the ability to forge them as tools instead of letting them run your life, I'd say.
ReplyDeleteWorks for me.
What defines power is different for everyone.
ReplyDeleteThe low impulse control is not by any means a obstacle to gaining power. It enables you to take risks that others would not. Higher risks make higher rewards. To obtain power you have to take many risks. Thats why many never have it. They are afraid to take risks and comfortable where they are.
Sociopaths on a good one have no power. They have a need for it, but they have no way of obtaining it. People like Dohmer, or say BTK are people who were powerless as children and felt the need to have total control over someone.
The BTK killer was a compliance officer and a dog catcher. These were not enough for him. He harrassed some lady so much as a compliance officer that she moved. He issued her ticket after ticket.
Sociopaths have a need to exercise power. If they dont have a means of doing so, it can get ugly. Weak sociopaths have no way of climbing anywhere to have power so resort to other means of obtaining that need.
"Love me or hate me, both are in my favor…If you love me, I'll always be in your heart…If you hate me, I'll always be in your mind."
ReplyDelete— William Shakespeare
"I think sadism in sociopaths can also come from deep-seated contempt at their own weak selves or at what the world has previously put them through (which perhaps made them feel weak, but not necessarily)."
ReplyDeleteBetween these two i would opt for the latter.
So are you saying some of the harassers on this site ate weak?
ReplyDeleteare*
ReplyDeleteShakespeare was a narc?
ReplyDeleteThe internet is the closest you'll get to me. In real life you wouldn't get a frigging chance.
ReplyDeleteIs it not obvious, anon?
ReplyDeleteI see it in myself even when I spend too much time commenting or get all feisty (like today). I'm funneling too much energy into the wrong place, when I know what it is I'm supposed to be doing instead. But I'm procrastinating. And I get all angry, defensive, insulting, etc.
as you can tell, i'm pissed off today too Medusa. I know your type irl Anon, and I wouldn't touch you with a barge pole.
ReplyDeleteAnd the rain won't fucking stop and will not stop for another six months and it's soaking into my brain.
ReplyDeleteMy type? I'm an anon there's millions of my types.
ReplyDeletewhat about those studies that say socio's aren't really free from fear (say, of consequences of actions,) it's just more difficult to access that fear, or to access emotions in general. (it's somewhere in the archives and m.e. referred to it in a recent post.)
ReplyDeletei think evans is the name of the man spearheading the research. he noted that if you can get someone to access emotions by focusing on them in a certain way, then socios can become more aware of consequences and better able to control impulses.
it doesn't have to do with punishment, i don't think--it has to do with how the stimulus that evokes fear of consequence is presented. i think it had something to do with focusing on a specific color while the fear stimulus was presented.
it was something insanely simple like that, but apparently it works.
he was also interested in various neural issues. apparently socios do focus differently in a number of ways from the general population. for instance, evans had a set of cards with both images and text. the text ran counter to the images. (for instance, you might see a picture of a dog, but it had the word "duck" superimposed on it.)
socios tend to be very quick at naming the image without hesitation, whereas non-socio's tend to hesitate first and stumble. so there is a different way of focusing--the socio's aren't just messing with the test results of the fear study.
if you want to force someone to take responsibility, though, medusa, i'm afraid it's going to be a losing battle. it just leads to frustration.
i have no idea where the conversation is right now. but it seemed vaguely to relate to what i was reading before i started this, so i thought i'd throw it in.
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