There are several serpents in that dusty old tome, and they serve several masters. Most were hungry, fanged and venomous. And loyal in their own dastardly ways.
Cunning and clever, patient only when need be, and very, very effective.
Matthew 10:16 states the reason why I read SW regularly. I am harmless as doves and I learn about the serpents who drop the mask on SW.
Want to say a few on The Notable Path (TNP)'s point on respecting the others from yesterday.
Like others TNP knows best himself, and he is projecting who he is and what he deserves to others. He is not a self-respecting man, so how can he respect someone else? Plus, anyone who is about manipulating others need to justify that these people do not deserve respect. We also see high levels of paranoia in TNP, hence excessive use of the mask. He is a good example of a sociopath with narcissistic tendencies, and we cherish him here for exemplifying a relatively high functioning sociopath.
A life with self-respect touches his own body, mind, and soul with care. Would not abuse drugs, smoke or alcohol in excessive quantities. Anyone who does either is already lacking a significant level of self-respect in the core.
A funny coincidence: I've just posted an article about the movie 'The Devil's Advocate', where this passage is cited repeatedly throughout the movie, and I had planned to use it in my article.
As it is I've quoted a lot of other lines (and this movie has many), but not this one, haha.
Yes, but you do realize that not all people know themselves best, right?
Actually we (Psychopaths and Sociopaths) are often very adept at seeing and pointing out some of the weaknesses in others that they aren't aware of and which therefore work against them.
"Plus, anyone who is about manipulating others need to justify that these people do not deserve respect."
Why would we feel a need to justify anything?
I think you're applying some of the 'normal' or 'empathic' thought patterns which we don't use nor need (at least not the Psychopathic ones amongst us). Our brains process things differently from yours (assuming you're a 'normal, empathic' person?).
This is an important key to understanding us. And if you are:
"harmless as doves and I learn about the serpents who drop the mask on SW."
Understanding what you learn is necessary or you'll never be able to put it to practical use.
The word respect always confuses me. It seems to completely lack definition, a pointless term.
If somebody "demands respect" then that's just a polite way of saying they demand you fear and obey them, that you cower before them. (Unless they back those demands up by overwhelming force, I'm not giving such a person either).
So what the devil is self-respect? Self-love? Self-worship? Utterly meaningless.
Wet I understand what your saying, but maybe you can look at it another way, If you created everything and made it by yourself and it all wanted to be on it's own and be in control of everything and everyone else and thousands up to millions were all going for the same top position, how wuld you the one that created it react.
Satan was the first and still is the head sociopath. Just try challenging him to be at the top.
When you have a freind talk to you about a situation that they want to help with, if their normal they will give advise or helf without expecting anything in return. Theres nothing of self gain behind it.
If you always are looking to influence others for something you want then no thats not respect.
I deleted that comment like two seconds after I posted it, you're fast -.-
For reference, I was saying that watching what you say is just manipulating to get something out of them or avoid something from them, and people tell me manipulation isn't respectful, so there's probably some pedantic line somewhere...which it seems is intentions.
Never put much stock in the value of intentions myself, good intentions are just an excuse for poor outcomes.
What age do you think i am? It's been said that I'm a spoiled child in a mans body, but I'm far from young. ;)
Moving on, i don't get the mindset of others, i asked a friend of mine to help orchestrate a scam, that way if anything goes wrong i won't take all of the blame, He refused.
I wouldn't get into hardcore crime as of yet, i couldn't throw my life away for stupid reasons, plus I'm not a petty criminal, I don't know the ins and outs of crime nor have i ever had trouble with the law except once or twice, I don't take authority personally, if i were in that position I'd be enforcing just as much.
If you look at power with complete logic, you may never want it, that is why i prefer to let my imagination run with it, picture it, having statues built, being the topic of every positive conversation, I wouldn't be a bastard to everyone, but who knows if it would last? If my people were good to me, I'd be great to them, if they betrayed me in any form I'd have no mercy.
"If you want to learn about sociopaths read the old testament. The god of the old testament is the ideal sociopath."
Well said. I've often explained this to people. And you know, the Christian god is a transmutation of Jahve, Christ kept a lot of the original identity from Jahve when he split up and went Christian. - What I'm saying is that Christianity and it's god is build upon the old Testament's religious concept. It has the same monotheism, the same patriarch-ism, the same of many things, but in a lot of ways it's even worse.
But that's a discussion for another forum, I think. (I may add such a section to my blog some time in the future).
MrFox:
"If somebody "demands respect" then that's just a polite way of saying they demand you fear and obey them, that you cower before them."
No, the difference between respect and fear is that with Fear you show 'respect' only because you have no choice, and usually only the one you fear gains anything from the relationship.
With respect you show 'respect' because you AND the other person have something to gain from keeping a relationship functioning, it benefits you both. The respect is not a fear of the other, but a "fear" of loosing the benefits you gain from sticking with it.
You can also say that Respect is a luxury, you can choose to give it or not depending on what you can afford to do with your time and energy.
With fear you have no choice, and you are poor from the beginning for you have nothing that might make the other want to create an alliance (relationship) with you.
This place has been fucking boring since M.E left.
I was thinking about respect and it has the same affect as fear. If someone respects you, they're less likely to cross you because they think highly of you and wouldn't want to betray your trust. If someone fears you, they're less likely to cross you because of what you might do to them. Either way you get the same results. Respect doesn't have to be earned, it can also be bought as well because everyone respects money.
"A respectful person would give thought to what they would say."
Not if what they're saying is a load of shit, and you've got something better to say.
I don't respect other people, I don't even respect the things they do unless it helps me in some way. How can anyone give a shit about something that isn't relevant to them?
'A life with self-respect touches his own body, mind, and soul with care. Would not abuse drugs, smoke or alcohol in excessive quantities. Anyone who does either is already lacking a significant level of self-respect in the core'
or how about, is lacking a certain balance in brain chemistry? There are some, younger people, who may do these things for show, they, I agree, lack a spine. But when you are dealing with people with a genuine upset in their brain chemistry, it's a different kettle of fish.
Stop preaching with abstract, wooly notions beatolac, for you know not what you say.
Define self-respect by the way. Let me help, self-respect is self-actualisation, therefore, selfishness can be seen as self-respect, cruelty can be seen as self-respect. You are using a narrow language, which doesn't apply in SW.
You're confusing lack of respect with disrespect, a fatal error.
I don't need a justification to hurt anyone, nor HELP anyone for that matter. I do as a please. Really, you should try it sometime.
I don't abuse drugs, liquor, or nicotine. Cigarettes used the most out of the three, as it helps curb homicidal rage :) Somehow I don't think that is a self-respect issue...
As far as knowing best, or myself well, that's tricky. See, people can see my blind spots, and I of course usually can't. I also have a limited perspective (as well all do) and sometimes it helps a lot to get insight from a different angle. I'd like to think I almost always know best, but once in a while, I am wrong.
The difference between Fear and Respect is simple:
Fear = You act 'respectfully' around someone because you have no choice. You gain only one thing from your connection with the person: Not loosing more than you have.
Respect = You act respectfully around someone because you have an alliance with them. You loose something if you stop acting respectfully towards the person.
This is why Fear is the negative of the two and Respect is the positive equivalent.
If someone is showing respect out of fear, they don't care about you but are looking out for their own well-being. They only care what you will do to them. That respect is only because they have no choice. So fear is not respect.
If someone care about you or values your opinions or what you think about them they will act out of that and it comes freely.
"If you want to learn about sociopaths read the old testament. The god of the old testament is the ideal sociopath."
Very true. I frequently tell people this. But then, all gods have psychopathic traits as well as sociopathic traits.
That's why Sociopaths/psychopaths have become so extremely unpopular in modern day's mass society where everybody are the same and no one really are anybody.
They really can't find any fitting role for us, because our personalities, Egos if you will, are too large and our needs too demanding.
They think the solution is to eliminate our existence completely, but that will mean eliminating components our species depend on.
Misanthrope:
"I don't respect other people, I don't even respect the things they do unless it helps me in some way. How can anyone give a shit about something that isn't relevant to them?"
"How can anyone give a shit about something that isn't relevant to them?"
because they are probably good,caring, kind, compassionate, empathetic people. something you and others on this site know nothing about. not judging. just stating a fact.
I have always taken goodness as a first quality in people for granted, I assumed they were like me.
You assume they are just like you, putting up a mask front.
Until recently I didn't realize how wrong I was, all I can say is it wasn't a fatal mistake. I'm wiser for this site.
I don't think your being hunted to the degree you all claim but then I'm not in your shoes. If your not committing crimes why the paranoia? If you are then you have exactly same thing to worry about as a nomal who's commiting crimes.
Problem is that you see people as oppotunities to take from, like Adam said he never worked a day in his life and doesn't expect to, he'll always find someone to live off of. This is why he will never have anything because he's too lazy to work for himself.
So I guess in the end it was all worth it. I have a socio friend who loves to flex his intellectual muscles. He is high functioning and successful in all areas. I haven't spoken to him in a while. I am sure to contact him soon. He has a lot in common with all people (socios and non) here. He will have input some here may appreciate. I wonder if I should contact him or not.
People should use that as an example, the cross Jesus was carrying is your conscience, drop the cross beat the crap out of the nearest roman soldier and run like fuck.
Respect also defines boundaries, territory and its malleable. What is respectful in a corporate environment is different to what is respectful conduct in a bar.
Respect is also a ritualized tool of power. Respect for tradition, nationality, leadership. Think of the pageantry of a political convention.
Rule breakers see the thin veil and want to break it. Respectful containers look thin and weak.
Personally I find many rules ridiculous and at the same time important. I find gratitude and honor give better flexibility and thus empowerment. Kind of a "I don't care" and yet respect and honor life as it is in its raw form at the same time.
And of course respect would be a hot topic on this "power obsessed" blog.
@ misanthrope. you don't understand WHY we care and we don't understand WHY YOU DON'T care,especially being a fellow human, hence the division between a normal person and a socio person. and hence why i'd probably run to the nearest exit if i knew you in real life, because you're telling me that you have the emotional capacity of a rodent or insect but stuck in human flesh.
If you knew me in real life we'd get on like a house on fire, if that's the way I wanted it. You wouldn't run away from me, you'd spend as much time around me as possible. Do you really think I talk like this in real life? I don't care because anything that isn't relevant to me isn't worth caring about. I've got my own problems to deal with so why should I trouble myself with or even think about other people's. That's like exepting an extra workload for no extra pay.
"Zhawq. What's the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath? In your opinion."
I use Robert Hare's definition. Just seems most practical and logic to me. *S*
Misanthrope,
"anything that isn't relevant to me isn't worth caring about"
Exactly. That's why I care to understand empathic people. And I believe I've succeeded, at least intellectually.
Anon 3:02 PM:
"you don't understand WHY we care and we don't understand WHY YOU DON'T care,especially being a fellow human, hence the division between a normal person and a socio person."
You misunderstand if you think this is how sociopaths and psychopaths are per se. What I think you may perhaps NOT understand is that everybody, ALL of us, care only for what is relevant! So my question was never 'why' do you care, but 'why do you care for THAT which you care for'.
I'd be interested in learning what division you're referring to, since there're so many. Some set the dividing point between humans and animals, and some of these same people have decided that psychopaths are not human (visit Lovefraud, fx.), others set it between law-abiding and criminal. Others again between fashionable and common, or rich and poor, Christian and everything else or good and bad, etc. Where is your Division?
and hence why i'd probably run to the nearest exit if i knew you in real life, because you're telling me that you have the emotional capacity of a rodent or insect but stuck in human flesh."
you know what? you are probably right, i'd probably get along with you and you'd probably make me comfortable and give me a false sense of trust. from experience, i've learned that sociopaths are the true ACTORS. if they could give oscars to sociopaths, we'd loose count of how many oscars given. you guys love to pretend and play a role. regardless, i'm weary of trusting anyone.
@zhawq
i draw my division at basic human princples that are not learned. for instance, when babies are born, they have automatic reflexes of movement. i'm not talking about trivial matters. but if someone was bitching about a lost home or job or love issues or death, yeah i would care and listen to their story or show compassion, you guys don't seem to give a damn. compassion should be a natural human reflex and if it's not then psychologists are right to label you guys abnormal.
3:49 Need to vary. Sometimes junk(like ice cream and pizza)is necessary for muscle rehab. All sugar is not "evil" Alcohol in moderation has its benefits.
notme said... or how about, is lacking a certain balance in brain chemistry?
Well, whatever your excuse is for being self-harming it does not matter, the bottom line is if you had respect for your body you would heal it not numb it with excessive (key word here) drugs of any sort.
"There are some, younger people, who may do these things for show, they, I agree, lack a spine." Yes, lack a spine in my book is a form of lack of diminished self-respect.
"But when you are dealing with people with a genuine upset in their brain chemistry, it's a different kettle of fish."
This is not about effort, this is about actions and results. You are either committed to self-preservation or not. I'm also assuming at least average level of intelligence here, meaning certified morons are outside the realm of the high expectation my definition of respect requires (this is not a sarcasm or attack on anyone, maybe just a vulgar way of stating it, that's all.)
"Stop preaching with abstract, wooly notions beatolac, for you know not what you say. " :) Sorry, that under my definition you don't come out as someone with self-respect 100% of the time, that's ok just improve that's all. And, don't tell me when to stop or continue, know your place, state your personal opinions.
"Define self-respect by the way. Let me help, self-respect is self-actualisation, therefore, selfishness can be seen as self-respect, cruelty can be seen as self-respect. You are using a narrow language, which doesn't apply in SW." Yes, ma'm, let me try. Self-respect is when you don't let someone else walk all over you, self-respect is when you don't yourself walk all over you or lose what you built in a heart-beat. Self-respect is the ability to execute a plan that's self-preserving and sustaining. Self-respect is the ability to stay consistent when there is no reason to arbitrarily waver.
Self-respect is when you don't live in a room with stinking dirty dishes in the sink for days. Yes, true, depression eats at your self-respect, inaction eats at your self-respect, paranoia eats at your self-rrespect.
'Well, whatever your excuse is for being self-harming it does not matter, the bottom line is if you had respect for your body you would heal it not numb it with excessive (key word here) drugs of any sort.'
You're a little clueless among other things, but I will ask this, why are you on a blog about sociopathy when you don't fully appreciate the entire point of how human beings work? I can't even dignify this with a proper response.
'You are either committed to self-preservation or not.' Way to state the obvious, thanks Buddha for enlightening us on the entire point of being living, sentient beings.
'Self-respect is when you don't let someone else walk all over you, self-respect is when you don't yourself walk all over you or lose what you built in a heart-beat.'
well, yes, like i said, self-actualisation and I said that first. So no disagreement there.
'Self-respect is the ability to execute a plan that's self-preserving and sustaining. Self-respect is the ability to stay consistent when there is no reason to arbitrarily waver'
This is where you show yourself up. Again, you are lucky to not know the inherent struggles some people have with their impulses. IQ is not even a factor by the way. Failure, is what you are describing, and failure has nothing to do with a lack of self-respect. Success is luck and effort combined, if you're one of those who do not understand this, then please take yourself and your high horse and trot away.
'Self-respect is when you don't live in a room with stinking dirty dishes in the sink for days. Yes, true, depression eats at your self-respect, inaction eats at your self-respect, paranoia eats at your self-rrespect.'
and depression, inaction and paranoia, according to you, are what? controllable in every situation? Please, I can't be bothered with this...I'll just be repeating what i said above already. Check there if you fancy.
I could explain everything from an autobiographical view just to show you how misguided and closed-off you are, but quite frankly, i don't think you'd appreciate it.
Do you really think I talk like this in real life?
A common misconception people seem to have around here... Yet they hang to it in vain, which is pretty funny.
I sort of like your definition of self-respect, because it mostly applies to me :P So I guess I do, haha! I just never looked at it that way. I guess it's equivalent to telling a fish to breathe in water, the fish not understanding a command it has needed to live by.
By your definition of self-respect, I'd wager to guess most people that have a mindset such as mine grasp it out of necessity. To show yourself weak is to invite feasting upon your own flesh. There is no room for weakness in my clan, and you'd best pray they tell you of your follies before the others feast upon them.
As for numbing, I think there is a good explanation. Perhaps some input would help. I don't have "issues" that require me to drown out non-existent sorrows. What I do have is a hyper-active mind, and "numbing" myself is the closest thing I get to relaxation when I'm not in the arms of a gentle lover or lost to the oblivion of sleep.
the bottom line beatolac, is that i have had big successes in my life, and big failures, in both situations, my self-respect and conscienciousness was entirely intact, and in fact, was very strong. Your black and white thinking is really not impressive, and insulting. I suggest you hang around and learn, but you're high horse is not welcome in a forum on mental issues. Have some respect. For a definition of respect, look above at any you find satisfactory.
Btw, i don't brag about my successes, my awareness of how finite everything is does not allow me to be so shallow and ignorant. Perhaps you can take a leaf out of my book before you judge people.
I feel like most people are so much more sophisticated then me. I look and see that everyone seems to have themselves all figured out, emotionally, socially, and most everything else.
I usually draw blanks when interacting with people, and say things that aren't correct in conventional social situations, and shoot myself in the leg. Other people can mingle and do so much other things that I have to train myself to do. Normal people rarely need an outlet because they dont fit in. I need to make myself look stupid and annoy people just to feel like I am something.
So lately I have been slowly putting together the portion of my own puzzle. The puzzle of my personality. It's a task most people don't need to do. Trust me I have spoken to people and almost none of them do the constant introspection and observing I do.
Through some careful experiments with myself, it turns out I am an angry person. I guess it makes sense since I could rarely interact properly with other people. I always dig myself in social holes. Most people at school dislike me very much, and it's because of my failure.
I have been wanting to sign up for a fighting class in muay thai, so I could express my rage and insecurity. It would be so cool constantly training and having confidence to beat the shit out of anything that made me feel low,or invaded my bubble of a delusion.
I'm an expert in all martial arts. I could break every bone in your body in 0.3 seconds using only my big toe. I carve a mark in my skin for every person that I kill. I ran out of space so I started wearing scalps on my belt.
Since you are being so courageous to write so openly about your feelings:
If you go to a class, you need to understand that it is costly and requires that you show up and feign respect for the instructor and mostly to the other students.
If this isn't to your liking,
Get a punching bag.
Get yourself in an inverted position at least once per day. Hang in it. 10 minutes will do.
Jason, you're 18 and you're complaining about not knowing your true self by now? Most kids your age are too busy with their heads between the legs of another, both top and bottom heads.
You made it this far without having to understand yourself and your nature. Count yourself blessed.
As far as martial arts, using violence to negate anger is akin to adding fuel to a fire. You're only enabling yourself more, and better arming yourself for enemies you don't even have. Sounds to me like you're your only real enemy. How about you work on that and put the UFC Bro gear down.
Inner anger and rage stems from insecurity and a sense of powerlessness more often than not. Learn your weaknesses and forge them into strengths. Make your strengths look brittle and weak to all eyes but your own.
You're a foolish child with foolish notions and you're putting yourself down a path of destruction you aren't able to cope with. So pull your head out of your ass and smell the rest of the world's filth before you get too obsessed with your own. Know where your feet tread before you drop into a pit you can't pull yourself out of.
Learn them well, but not at too great a cost. Find out what buttons you have and toy with them until the sensors grow too worn to work.
New ones might spring out, but they were probably there to begin with.
As far as recreating yourself, I can't say. It's all I've done all my life, yet a similar creature always seems to spawn, no matter how different I look and try to act.
So just focus on the latter. If someone doesn't like your current incarnation, tell them to get fucked. Politely.
I mean even tho I have never met a real sociopath before, I seem drawn to their character because of how interesting they are. I come here because it soothes my deep rooted insecurity. It gives me a group of people who, on some level, feel somewhat shallow and out of place.
It's not like other places. For example, people on steve pavlina just tell me to "go get help".
Seriously, why would I try to get help from someone who doesnt give a damn about me in the first place. I did get therapy one time. Rather forced, and I hated it. She would try so hard to understand me, and I would feed her BS just so I could please the courts. In reality she thought she cured me. She didn't it only verified me that it takes someone with my perspective to see my perspective.
And having a group of people who feel out of place makes me feel welcomed. You have no idea.
You've met us before. We've been your favorite devious uncle, your best yet cruelest friend, and your worst and most memorable enemy.
Some fancy us serpents, lions, wolves, and vultures. But we're far more dangerous than any of those creatures. We're humans.
You're a lost and weepy child with a stubbed toe, crying out into the darkness for help. Don't fool yourself into thinking that you're something that you aren't, as so many have before you. As long as you're something to pass the time, I'll entertain you, but don't think me friend.
And that's the best advice I give to many, and the most conveniently forgotten.
I like notme and it saddens me that of all the folks here notme is the one who feels offended by my definition of self-respect and my expectation of one's taking care of herself/himself.
Sometimes in much heavier offenses notme responds with a very light attitude and I view those as quite a powerful example of self-preservation. Why it is not at all times I wonder, though. Why be so heavy today for example? I have the feeling it really has nothing to do with what comes at you but a lot to do with your inner turmoil and how you collect yourself, notme.
I am curious, and in a caring way. Hopefully one day you will fully forgive your failures and as soon as they happen (like our socio buddies here) as opposed to beating on yourself. Your reaction to my suggestion that you are not taking good care of yourself was far too strong, this suggests truth, someone is hitting the nail right on. Did not have to be like this, you have the controls.
By the way, one sentence version of me above was not me.
TNP, I was actually fully aware that my definition was suggesting high self-respect for your case, but superficially so. Self-respect involves (in addition to formerly stated) turning off the lights when it is not only in your home but also in a hotel room, caring for a rental car as much as your own, it involves picking up the trash in a second move just as you barely missed the can in the first place. You are a non-caring person who would not bother with little details like that, particularly because it has nothing to do with 'YOU,' and in so many occasions you have repeated how it is all and only about you.
Besides this is very therapeuatic. Expressing my feelings to people who don't give a shit, and getting responses that I could use.
The thing about the light, TNP, is that you cannot be open. You cannot say you are an insecure weakling with a stubbed toe. You cannot say you feel like joining UFC to express anger. None of that.
I can do that here, because nobody cares. I just like having my feelings out there, and no other place could let me put it out there without reprecussion.
I could start a journal, but I risk people finding it.
Heh, do you still have time to be entertained? Or no.
Did Matthew (whoever the fuck is that?) mean that for women? Is that why so many smart women still feign stupidity and make socio men think they're the only ones who truly understand?
put your coat on and go for a walk, change where you are physically. go speak to a stranger on your way and get them to tell you something miserable about their life. Feel better, go back home.
I am struggling with identifying if someone I know is a sociopath. He definitely possesses so many of the listed traits, from constant lying, manipulation,impulsiveness, and a parasitic life style. And many of his actions seem cold and unfeeling, and he tends to write people off, having no contact with anyone from his childhood or college years. However, I have seen him embarrassed and I have seen him moved to tears on occasion when confronted in a vulnerable, non-threatening way, with the pain he has inflicted on another. I know it could be reasoned he was only acting in order to get some kind of pay-off (via manipulation, however, in the situations I'm referring to, there was no payoff to be had. Is this even possible for a sociopath? Have any of you experienced feeling embarrassed or any kind of remorse? I do know he struggles deeply with insecurity and he will react in extreme ways (something comparable to an adult having a tantrum)when he feels attacked by someone, or as a tool to deflect when he doesn't want to be wrong. But I'm just wondering if perhaps he is just so crippled by insecurity that he is driven to these sociopathic type behaviors to do things that give him a sense of power in order to cope. Could it be just a behavior and not true sociopathic condition?
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There are several serpents in that dusty old tome, and they serve several masters. Most were hungry, fanged and venomous. And loyal in their own dastardly ways.
ReplyDeleteCunning and clever, patient only when need be, and very, very effective.
Very nice, note. :)
ReplyDeleteMatthew 10:16 states the reason why I read SW regularly. I am harmless as doves and I learn about the serpents who drop the mask on SW.
ReplyDeleteWant to say a few on The Notable Path (TNP)'s point on respecting the others from yesterday.
Like others TNP knows best himself, and he is projecting who he is and what he deserves to others. He is not a self-respecting man, so how can he respect someone else? Plus, anyone who is about manipulating others need to justify that these people do not deserve respect. We also see high levels of paranoia in TNP, hence excessive use of the mask. He is a good example of a sociopath with narcissistic tendencies, and we cherish him here for exemplifying a relatively high functioning sociopath.
A life with self-respect touches his own body, mind, and soul with care. Would not abuse drugs, smoke or alcohol in excessive quantities. Anyone who does either is already lacking a significant level of self-respect in the core.
I thought TNP was kind of a high functioning something else. (
ReplyDeleteNot that there's anything wrong with that)
M.E is on Twitter.
ReplyDeleteYes. I noticed M.E on Twitter...now he just needs to get on Facebook!
ReplyDeleteM.E.,
ReplyDeleteA funny coincidence: I've just posted an article about the movie 'The Devil's Advocate', where this passage is cited repeatedly throughout the movie, and I had planned to use it in my article.
As it is I've quoted a lot of other lines (and this movie has many), but not this one, haha.
“Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.” - Henry Kissinger
ReplyDeleteBeatolac:
ReplyDelete"Like others TNP knows best himself"
Yes, but you do realize that not all people know themselves best, right?
Actually we (Psychopaths and Sociopaths) are often very adept at seeing and pointing out some of the weaknesses in others that they aren't aware of and which therefore work against them.
"Plus, anyone who is about manipulating others need to justify that these people do not deserve respect."
Why would we feel a need to justify anything?
I think you're applying some of the 'normal' or 'empathic' thought patterns which we don't use nor need (at least not the Psychopathic ones amongst us). Our brains process things differently from yours (assuming you're a 'normal, empathic' person?).
This is an important key to understanding us. And if you are:
"harmless as doves and I learn about the serpents who drop the mask on SW."
Understanding what you learn is necessary or you'll never be able to put it to practical use.
How do you interact with someone that you know has no respect for anyone at all but themself?
ReplyDeleteMy reaction naturally would be not to respect them.
The word respect always confuses me. It seems to completely lack definition, a pointless term.
ReplyDeleteIf somebody "demands respect" then that's just a polite way of saying they demand you fear and obey them, that you cower before them. (Unless they back those demands up by overwhelming force, I'm not giving such a person either).
So what the devil is self-respect? Self-love? Self-worship? Utterly meaningless.
If you want to learn about sociopaths read the old testament. The god of the old testament is the ideal sociopath.
ReplyDeleteRespect is being courtious or being considerate.
ReplyDeleteA child blurts out the first thought in their head without implimenting respect or consideration.
A respectful person would give thought to what they would say.
Respect has a line it doesn't cross.
I'm gonna murder you all when i get into power.
ReplyDeleteWet I understand what your saying, but maybe you can look at it another way,
ReplyDeleteIf you created everything and made it by yourself and it all wanted to be on it's own and be in control of everything and everyone else and thousands up to millions were all going for the same top position,
how wuld you the one that created it react.
Satan was the first and still is the head sociopath. Just try challenging him to be at the top.
Adam you know your too lazy.
ReplyDeleteIt's my maintenance year, people like me are destined for power.
ReplyDeleteTalk about blurting without thinking about what your going to say and up pops our poster child Adam.
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ReplyDeleteIt's your intent behind it.
ReplyDeleteWhen you have a freind talk to you about a situation that they want to help with, if their normal they will give advise or helf without expecting anything in return.
Theres nothing of self gain behind it.
If you always are looking to influence others for something you want then no thats not respect.
Not everyone is looking to take from others.
ment help not helf.
ReplyDeleteI suppose if you expect others to do to you what your doing to them then you'll only see it from one side of the coin.
I deleted that comment like two seconds after I posted it, you're fast -.-
ReplyDeleteFor reference, I was saying that watching what you say is just manipulating to get something out of them or avoid something from them, and people tell me manipulation isn't respectful, so there's probably some pedantic line somewhere...which it seems is intentions.
Never put much stock in the value of intentions myself, good intentions are just an excuse for poor outcomes.
What age do you think i am? It's been said that I'm a spoiled child in a mans body, but I'm far from young. ;)
ReplyDeleteMoving on, i don't get the mindset of others, i asked a friend of mine to help orchestrate a scam, that way if anything goes wrong i won't take all of the blame, He refused.
I wouldn't get into hardcore crime as of yet, i couldn't throw my life away for stupid reasons, plus I'm not a petty criminal, I don't know the ins and outs of crime nor have i ever had trouble with the law except once or twice, I don't take authority personally, if i were in that position I'd be enforcing just as much.
If you look at power with complete logic, you may never want it, that is why i prefer to let my imagination run with it, picture it, having statues built, being the topic of every positive conversation, I wouldn't be a bastard to everyone, but who knows if it would last? If my people were good to me, I'd be great to them, if they betrayed me in any form I'd have no mercy.
If your intent is to be civil or freindly theres nothing wrong with that by anyones standards.
ReplyDeleteIf your intent is to con the person then it's a false respect.
Look at mister popular with his 25 page views haha
ReplyDeleteAnon, stop teasing your little brother.
ReplyDeleteMr Fox added.
ReplyDeletewho is on your interesting list?
ReplyDeleteUKan
ReplyDeleteTNP
Adam
Misanthrope
ye that's what everyone says(minus Adam).
ReplyDeleteYeah i never heard Adam say that either.
ReplyDelete"UKan
ReplyDeleteTNP
Adam
Misanthrope"
that was his interesting list. so I was taking Adam from the interesting list.
Boring List, you started something really boring. :(
ReplyDeleteWet:
ReplyDelete"If you want to learn about sociopaths read the old testament. The god of the old testament is the ideal sociopath."
Well said.
I've often explained this to people. And you know, the Christian god is a transmutation of Jahve, Christ kept a lot of the original identity from Jahve when he split up and went Christian. - What I'm saying is that Christianity and it's god is build upon the old Testament's religious concept.
It has the same monotheism, the same patriarch-ism, the same of many things, but in a lot of ways it's even worse.
But that's a discussion for another forum, I think. (I may add such a section to my blog some time in the future).
MrFox:
"If somebody "demands respect" then that's just a polite way of saying they demand you fear and obey them, that you cower before them."
No, the difference between respect and fear is that with Fear you show 'respect' only because you have no choice, and usually only the one you fear gains anything from the relationship.
With respect you show 'respect' because you AND the other person have something to gain from keeping a relationship functioning, it benefits you both.
The respect is not a fear of the other, but a "fear" of loosing the benefits you gain from sticking with it.
You can also say that Respect is a luxury, you can choose to give it or not depending on what you can afford to do with your time and energy.
With fear you have no choice, and you are poor from the beginning for you have nothing that might make the other want to create an alliance (relationship) with you.
Do you see the difference now?
This place has been fucking boring since M.E left.
ReplyDeleteI was thinking about respect and it has the same affect as fear. If someone respects you, they're less likely to cross you because they think highly of you and wouldn't want to betray your trust. If someone fears you, they're less likely to cross you because of what you might do to them. Either way you get the same results. Respect doesn't have to be earned, it can also be bought as well because everyone respects money.
"A respectful person would give thought to what they would say."
Not if what they're saying is a load of shit, and you've got something better to say.
I don't respect other people, I don't even respect the things they do unless it helps me in some way. How can anyone give a shit about something that isn't relevant to them?
ReplyDelete'A life with self-respect touches his own body, mind, and soul with care. Would not abuse drugs, smoke or alcohol in excessive quantities. Anyone who does either is already lacking a significant level of self-respect in the core'
ReplyDeleteor how about, is lacking a certain balance in brain chemistry? There are some, younger people, who may do these things for show, they, I agree, lack a spine. But when you are dealing with people with a genuine upset in their brain chemistry, it's a different kettle of fish.
Stop preaching with abstract, wooly notions beatolac, for you know not what you say.
Define self-respect by the way. Let me help, self-respect is self-actualisation, therefore, selfishness can be seen as self-respect, cruelty can be seen as self-respect. You are using a narrow language, which doesn't apply in SW.
what's the difference between self respect and narcissism?
ReplyDeleteThe serpents could be the ones who wrote the Bible.
ReplyDeleteThink of the effect religion has had on the world.
We lost 1000 years in the dark ages because of it.
You're confusing lack of respect with disrespect, a fatal error.
ReplyDeleteI don't need a justification to hurt anyone, nor HELP anyone for that matter. I do as a please. Really, you should try it sometime.
I don't abuse drugs, liquor, or nicotine. Cigarettes used the most out of the three, as it helps curb homicidal rage :) Somehow I don't think that is a self-respect issue...
As far as knowing best, or myself well, that's tricky. See, people can see my blind spots, and I of course usually can't. I also have a limited perspective (as well all do) and sometimes it helps a lot to get insight from a different angle. I'd like to think I almost always know best, but once in a while, I am wrong.
I'm going vegan.
ReplyDeleteA respectful person would give thought to what they would say.
ReplyDeleteI would imagine respect may translate
to "impulse control" for some.
The difference between Fear and Respect is simple:
ReplyDeleteFear = You act 'respectfully' around someone because you have no choice. You gain only one thing from your connection with the person: Not loosing more than you have.
Respect = You act respectfully around someone because you have an alliance with them. You loose something if you stop acting respectfully towards the person.
This is why Fear is the negative of the two and Respect is the positive equivalent.
Comedy Gold
ReplyDeleteIf someone is showing respect out of fear, they don't care about you but are looking out for their own well-being. They only care what you will do to them. That respect is only because they have no choice.
ReplyDeleteSo fear is not respect.
If someone care about you or values your opinions or what you think about them they will act out of that and it comes freely.
Respect is their own choice.
respect = decency, too
ReplyDelete"Have you no decency?"
stood up and said to McCarthy:
ReplyDeleteIs there no such thing as human decency?
Wet:
ReplyDelete"If you want to learn about sociopaths read the old testament. The god of the old testament is the ideal sociopath."
Very true. I frequently tell people this. But then, all gods have psychopathic traits as well as sociopathic traits.
That's why Sociopaths/psychopaths have become so extremely unpopular in modern day's mass society where everybody are the same and no one really are anybody.
They really can't find any fitting role for us, because our personalities, Egos if you will, are too large and our needs too demanding.
They think the solution is to eliminate our existence completely, but that will mean eliminating components our species depend on.
Misanthrope:
"I don't respect other people, I don't even respect the things they do unless it helps me in some way. How can anyone give a shit about something that isn't relevant to them?"
Exactly. It really is very simple.
Zhawq, I didn't see your post before I put mine in.
ReplyDeleteSo relieved to see someone else understands respect.
If anyone wants to settle on just fear then you better watch your back because no one else will.
"How can anyone give a shit about something that isn't relevant to them?"
ReplyDeletebecause they are probably good,caring, kind, compassionate, empathetic people. something you and others on this site know nothing about. not judging. just stating a fact.
"You're confusing lack of respect with disrespect, a fatal error"
ReplyDeletedebatable
Feigning respect is extremely useful in courtrooms
ReplyDeleteZhawq. What's the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath? In your opinion.
ReplyDeleteDid God feign respect before asking for the sacrificial first born?
ReplyDeleteIf you bend over backwards in a courtroom and say spank me that's what they'll do, authority despises the weak and envies the strong.
ReplyDeleteI understand that they care but I dont understand why they care.
ReplyDeleteThat's why Ted bundy was given so much freedom, he walked around the courtroom and owned it, the judge even complemented him.
ReplyDeleteOk but did he go to prison?
ReplyDeleteyou are not using logic, Mis.
ReplyDeleteCompare him to other criminals, he made them a laughing stock, escaped twice and acted in his own defence, it's been done only once.
ReplyDeleteI have always taken goodness as a first quality in people for granted, I assumed they were like me.
ReplyDeleteYou assume they are just like you, putting up a mask front.
Until recently I didn't realize how wrong I was, all I can say is it wasn't a fatal mistake. I'm wiser for this site.
I don't think your being hunted to the degree you all claim but then I'm not in your shoes.
If your not committing crimes why the paranoia?
If you are then you have exactly same thing to worry about as a nomal who's commiting crimes.
Problem is that you see people as oppotunities to take from, like Adam said he never worked a day in his life and doesn't expect to, he'll always find someone to live off of. This is why he will never have anything because he's too lazy to work for himself.
You want to carry someone like him?
And he (Bundy) had to be carried to his execution.
ReplyDeleteCOWARD
So I guess in the end it was all worth it. I have a socio friend who loves to flex his intellectual muscles. He is high functioning and successful in all areas. I haven't spoken to him in a while. I am sure to contact him soon. He has a lot in common with all people (socios and non) here. He will have input some here may appreciate. I wonder if I should contact him or not.
ReplyDeleteSo? Would you be a happy camper getting brought to your death? He obviously valued his life more than those girls.
ReplyDeleteAnon: 2:22
ReplyDeleteEveryone isn't welcome here, we don't need another asshole were fine.
And Jesus choose to be born on earth as the Sacraficial Lamb and no one carried him to his execution.
ReplyDeleteNobody wants to carry a lamb, ruthlessness is admired that is why Bundy was adored.
ReplyDeletePeople should use that as an example, the cross Jesus was carrying is your conscience, drop the cross beat the crap out of the nearest roman soldier and run like fuck.
ReplyDeleteanon 2:25
ReplyDeleteokey dokey. Maybe you will be more inquisitive later. Or not
Respect also defines boundaries, territory and its malleable. What is respectful in a corporate environment is different to what is respectful conduct in a bar.
ReplyDeleteRespect is also a ritualized tool of power. Respect for tradition, nationality, leadership. Think of the pageantry of a political convention.
Rule breakers see the thin veil and want to break it. Respectful containers look thin and weak.
Personally I find many rules ridiculous and at the same time important. I find gratitude and honor give better flexibility and thus empowerment. Kind of a "I don't care" and yet respect and honor life as it is in its raw form at the same time.
And of course respect would be a hot topic on this "power obsessed" blog.
@ misanthrope.
ReplyDeleteyou don't understand WHY we care and we don't understand WHY YOU DON'T care,especially being a fellow human, hence the division between a normal person and a socio person. and hence why i'd probably run to the nearest exit if i knew you in real life, because you're telling me that you have the emotional capacity of a rodent or insect but stuck in human flesh.
If you knew me in real life we'd get on like a house on fire, if that's the way I wanted it. You wouldn't run away from me, you'd spend as much time around me as possible. Do you really think I talk like this in real life? I don't care because anything that isn't relevant to me isn't worth caring about. I've got my own problems to deal with so why should I trouble myself with or even think about other people's. That's like exepting an extra workload for no extra pay.
ReplyDeleteWhat are the benefits of parasitism?
ReplyDeleteMisanthrope, do you live in london? maybe we've met. london's not that big :P
ReplyDeleteYeah, London.
ReplyDeleteThe only place i meet women is down a back alley.
ReplyDeleteStop using my name. ;(
ReplyDeleteCurious, does anyone here have a healthy diet? Or is it varied?
Anon 2:03 PM
ReplyDelete"Zhawq. What's the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath? In your opinion."
I use Robert Hare's definition. Just seems most practical and logic to me. *S*
Misanthrope,
"anything that isn't relevant to me isn't worth caring about"
Exactly.
That's why I care to understand empathic people. And I believe I've succeeded, at least intellectually.
Anon 3:02 PM:
"you don't understand WHY we care and we don't understand WHY YOU DON'T care,especially being a fellow human, hence the division between a normal person and a socio person."
You misunderstand if you think this is how sociopaths and psychopaths are per se.
What I think you may perhaps NOT understand is that everybody, ALL of us, care only for what is relevant!
So my question was never 'why' do you care, but 'why do you care for THAT which you care for'.
I'd be interested in learning what division you're referring to, since there're so many. Some set the dividing point between humans and animals, and some of these same people have decided that psychopaths are not human (visit Lovefraud, fx.), others set it between law-abiding and criminal. Others again between fashionable and common, or rich and poor, Christian and everything else or good and bad, etc.
Where is your Division?
and hence why i'd probably run to the nearest exit if i knew you in real life, because you're telling me that you have the emotional capacity of a rodent or insect but stuck in human flesh."
Zhawq, I don't think Anon 3:02 ment that for you.
ReplyDeleteHe should read your blog.
Your trying to get an understanding of normals (the other side of the coin)and I'm trying to understand where your coming from.
@ misanthrope
ReplyDeleteyou know what? you are probably right, i'd probably get along with you and you'd probably make me comfortable and give me a false sense of trust. from experience, i've learned that sociopaths are the true ACTORS. if they could give oscars to sociopaths, we'd loose count of how many oscars given. you guys love to pretend and play a role. regardless, i'm weary of trusting anyone.
@zhawq
i draw my division at basic human princples that are not learned. for instance, when babies are born, they have automatic reflexes of movement. i'm not talking about trivial matters. but if someone was bitching about a lost home or job or love issues or death, yeah i would care and listen to their story or show compassion, you guys don't seem to give a damn. compassion should be a natural human reflex and if it's not then psychologists are right to label you guys abnormal.
watch 6O minutes -tonight's episode. The entire episode is relevant to this discussion.
ReplyDelete3:49
ReplyDeleteNeed to vary. Sometimes junk(like ice cream and pizza)is necessary for muscle rehab. All sugar is not "evil"
Alcohol in moderation has its benefits.
Alcohol is not good for you, even in moderation, how can bad stuff be good for you?
ReplyDeleteI think the acting is a survival tactic.
ReplyDeleteThe wolfs need to hide themselves in sheep's clothing to deceive the sheep.
If that wolf looses it's cloth, everything goes haywire.
anon 4:17
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZGA_WKAack
Alcohol is not good for you, even in moderation, how can bad stuff be good for you?
ReplyDeleteRolf Lmao!
Red wine, in moderation is good for your heart.
ReplyDeleteEveryone who disagrees can stfu.
notme said...
ReplyDeleteor how about, is lacking a certain balance in brain chemistry?
Well, whatever your excuse is for being self-harming it does not matter, the bottom line is if you had respect for your body you would heal it not numb it with excessive (key word here) drugs of any sort.
"There are some, younger people, who may do these things for show, they, I agree, lack a spine."
Yes, lack a spine in my book is a form of lack of diminished self-respect.
"But when you are dealing with people with a genuine upset in their brain chemistry, it's a different kettle of fish."
This is not about effort, this is about actions and results. You are either committed to self-preservation or not. I'm also assuming at least average level of intelligence here, meaning certified morons are outside the realm of the high expectation my definition of respect requires (this is not a sarcasm or attack on anyone, maybe just a vulgar way of stating it, that's all.)
"Stop preaching with abstract, wooly notions beatolac, for you know not what you say. "
:) Sorry, that under my definition you don't come out as someone with self-respect 100% of the time, that's ok just improve that's all. And, don't tell me when to stop or continue, know your place, state your personal opinions.
"Define self-respect by the way. Let me help, self-respect is self-actualisation, therefore, selfishness can be seen as self-respect, cruelty can be seen as self-respect. You are using a narrow language, which doesn't apply in SW."
Yes, ma'm, let me try. Self-respect is when you don't let someone else walk all over you, self-respect is when you don't yourself walk all over you or lose what you built in a heart-beat. Self-respect is the ability to execute a plan that's self-preserving and sustaining. Self-respect is the ability to stay consistent when there is no reason to arbitrarily waver.
Self-respect is when you don't live in a room with stinking dirty dishes in the sink for days. Yes, true, depression eats at your self-respect, inaction eats at your self-respect, paranoia eats at your self-rrespect.
February 27, 2011 12:10 PM
'Well, whatever your excuse is for being self-harming it does not matter, the bottom line is if you had respect for your body you would heal it not numb it with excessive (key word here) drugs of any sort.'
ReplyDeleteYou're a little clueless among other things, but I will ask this, why are you on a blog about sociopathy when you don't fully appreciate the entire point of how human beings work? I can't even dignify this with a proper response.
'You are either committed to self-preservation or not.'
Way to state the obvious, thanks Buddha for enlightening us on the entire point of being living, sentient beings.
'Self-respect is when you don't let someone else walk all over you, self-respect is when you don't yourself walk all over you or lose what you built in a heart-beat.'
well, yes, like i said, self-actualisation and I said that first. So no disagreement there.
'Self-respect is the ability to execute a plan that's self-preserving and sustaining. Self-respect is the ability to stay consistent when there is no reason to arbitrarily waver'
This is where you show yourself up. Again, you are lucky to not know the inherent struggles some people have with their impulses. IQ is not even a factor by the way. Failure, is what you are describing, and failure has nothing to do with a lack of self-respect. Success is luck and effort combined, if you're one of those who do not understand this, then please take yourself and your high horse and trot away.
'Self-respect is when you don't live in a room with stinking dirty dishes in the sink for days. Yes, true, depression eats at your self-respect, inaction eats at your self-respect, paranoia eats at your self-rrespect.'
and depression, inaction and paranoia, according to you, are what? controllable in every situation? Please, I can't be bothered with this...I'll just be repeating what i said above already. Check there if you fancy.
I could explain everything from an autobiographical view just to show you how misguided and closed-off you are, but quite frankly, i don't think you'd appreciate it.
btw i replied but it's gone to spam. check it out later/tomorrow if you like
ReplyDeleteDo you really think I talk like this in real life?
ReplyDeleteA common misconception people seem to have around here... Yet they hang to it in vain, which is pretty funny.
I sort of like your definition of self-respect, because it mostly applies to me :P So I guess I do, haha! I just never looked at it that way. I guess it's equivalent to telling a fish to breathe in water, the fish not understanding a command it has needed to live by.
By your definition of self-respect, I'd wager to guess most people that have a mindset such as mine grasp it out of necessity. To show yourself weak is to invite feasting upon your own flesh. There is no room for weakness in my clan, and you'd best pray they tell you of your follies before the others feast upon them.
As for numbing, I think there is a good explanation. Perhaps some input would help. I don't have "issues" that require me to drown out non-existent sorrows. What I do have is a hyper-active mind, and "numbing" myself is the closest thing I get to relaxation when I'm not in the arms of a gentle lover or lost to the oblivion of sleep.
@TNP
ReplyDeleteReminds me of the tragic flaw concept in books.
If you apply it to real life, everyone has one, it just has to be found.
the bottom line beatolac, is that i have had big successes in my life, and big failures, in both situations, my self-respect and conscienciousness was entirely intact, and in fact, was very strong.
ReplyDeleteYour black and white thinking is really not impressive, and insulting. I suggest you hang around and learn, but you're high horse is not welcome in a forum on mental issues. Have some respect. For a definition of respect, look above at any you find satisfactory.
Btw, i don't brag about my successes, my awareness of how finite everything is does not allow me to be so shallow and ignorant. Perhaps you can take a leaf out of my book before you judge people.
Pardon, Jason?
ReplyDeleteA tragic flaw is a literary term that refers to a personality trait of a main character that leads to his or her downfall.
ReplyDeleteTook me a moment to understand the context of that comment. Was a bit busy with other things on my mind...
ReplyDeleteYep. I haven't found a person that doesn't have one. Everyone has cracks in their armor. The smart ones make them look like scales instead.
Are you an Englishman in America TNP?
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think?
ReplyDeleteThat's what I'm thinking
ReplyDeleteI feel like most people are so much more sophisticated then me. I look and see that everyone seems to have themselves all figured out, emotionally, socially, and most everything else.
ReplyDeleteI usually draw blanks when interacting with people, and say things that aren't correct in conventional social situations, and shoot myself in the leg. Other people can mingle and do so much other things that I have to train myself to do. Normal people rarely need an outlet because they dont fit in. I need to make myself look stupid and annoy people just to feel like I am something.
So lately I have been slowly putting together the portion of my own puzzle. The puzzle of my personality. It's a task most people don't need to do. Trust me I have spoken to people and almost none of them do the constant introspection and observing I do.
Through some careful experiments with myself, it turns out I am an angry person. I guess it makes sense since I could rarely interact properly with other people. I always dig myself in social holes. Most people at school dislike me very much, and it's because of my failure.
I have been wanting to sign up for a fighting class in muay thai, so I could express my rage and insecurity. It would be so cool constantly training and having confidence to beat the shit out of anything that made me feel low,or invaded my bubble of a delusion.
Perhaps you can take a leaf out of my book before you judge people.
ReplyDeleteI'm an expert in all martial arts. I could break every bone in your body in 0.3 seconds using only my big toe. I carve a mark in my skin for every person that I kill. I ran out of space so I started wearing scalps on my belt.
ReplyDeleteWow.
ReplyDeleteI am nowhere near as badass as you.
I bet you could rule this world with only half a brain.
Jason:
ReplyDeleteSince you are being so courageous to write so openly about your feelings:
If you go to a class, you need to understand that it is costly and requires that you show up and feign respect for the instructor and mostly to the other students.
If this isn't to your liking,
Get a punching bag.
Get yourself in an inverted position at least once per day. Hang in it. 10 minutes will do.
I will cause you much suffering, Badass. With my mind. I karate chop without touching. It is swift and deadly.
ReplyDeleteI need to get some scalps. All I have are foreskin
ReplyDeleteI can explode your head by staring at it for long enough. DON'T. FUCK. WITH. BADASS.
ReplyDelete"Hang in it. 10 minutes will do"
ReplyDeleteLook up "plow" position. Promotes Thyroid regulation, too.
Jason, you're 18 and you're complaining about not knowing your true self by now? Most kids your age are too busy with their heads between the legs of another, both top and bottom heads.
ReplyDeleteYou made it this far without having to understand yourself and your nature. Count yourself blessed.
As far as martial arts, using violence to negate anger is akin to adding fuel to a fire. You're only enabling yourself more, and better arming yourself for enemies you don't even have. Sounds to me like you're your only real enemy. How about you work on that and put the UFC Bro gear down.
Inner anger and rage stems from insecurity and a sense of powerlessness more often than not. Learn your weaknesses and forge them into strengths. Make your strengths look brittle and weak to all eyes but your own.
You're a foolish child with foolish notions and you're putting yourself down a path of destruction you aren't able to cope with. So pull your head out of your ass and smell the rest of the world's filth before you get too obsessed with your own. Know where your feet tread before you drop into a pit you can't pull yourself out of.
If you insist on turning me on, you have only yourself to blame for my actions
ReplyDeleteNotable is projecting.
ReplyDeleteNotable has inner anger is putting himself down a path of destruction, and wants to fight in the UFC
ReplyDeleteI understand, your secret's safe.
ReplyDeleteHeh maybe I should put the UFC bro gear down.
ReplyDeleteI should just recreate myself by turning my weaknesses into strengths.
Put Ur pants den n let me fuk Ur ass
ReplyDeleteOk sure I will get right on that
ReplyDeleteLearn them well, but not at too great a cost. Find out what buttons you have and toy with them until the sensors grow too worn to work.
ReplyDeleteNew ones might spring out, but they were probably there to begin with.
As far as recreating yourself, I can't say. It's all I've done all my life, yet a similar creature always seems to spawn, no matter how different I look and try to act.
So just focus on the latter. If someone doesn't like your current incarnation, tell them to get fucked. Politely.
I will slit you open, BMF
ReplyDeleteTNP, you really make me enjoy myself here.
ReplyDeleteI mean even tho I have never met a real sociopath before, I seem drawn to their character because of how interesting they are. I come here because it soothes my deep rooted insecurity. It gives me a group of people who, on some level, feel somewhat shallow and out of place.
It's not like other places. For example, people on steve pavlina just tell me to "go get help".
Seriously, why would I try to get help from someone who doesnt give a damn about me in the first place. I did get therapy one time. Rather forced, and I hated it. She would try so hard to understand me, and I would feed her BS just so I could please the courts. In reality she thought she cured me. She didn't it only verified me that it takes someone with my perspective to see my perspective.
And having a group of people who feel out of place makes me feel welcomed. You have no idea.
You've met us before. We've been your favorite devious uncle, your best yet cruelest friend, and your worst and most memorable enemy.
ReplyDeleteSome fancy us serpents, lions, wolves, and vultures. But we're far more dangerous than any of those creatures. We're humans.
You're a lost and weepy child with a stubbed toe, crying out into the darkness for help. Don't fool yourself into thinking that you're something that you aren't, as so many have before you. As long as you're something to pass the time, I'll entertain you, but don't think me friend.
And that's the best advice I give to many, and the most conveniently forgotten.
creative marketing, anyone?
ReplyDeleteThey're only jerking off to you, TNP. Get used to it. You're famous!
ReplyDeleteEnjoy!
ReplyDeleteAs long as I never cross paths with you in real life and get on your bad side, I am fine with me being something you pass time with.
ReplyDeleteIts mutual. I feel better, and you get to not be bored.
I like notme and it saddens me that of all the folks here notme is the one who feels offended by my definition of self-respect and my expectation of one's taking care of herself/himself.
ReplyDeleteSometimes in much heavier offenses notme responds with a very light attitude and I view those as quite a powerful example of self-preservation. Why it is not at all times I wonder, though. Why be so heavy today for example? I have the feeling it really has nothing to do with what comes at you but a lot to do with your inner turmoil and how you collect yourself, notme.
I am curious, and in a caring way. Hopefully one day you will fully forgive your failures and as soon as they happen (like our socio buddies here) as opposed to beating on yourself. Your reaction to my suggestion that you are not taking good care of yourself was far too strong, this suggests truth, someone is hitting the nail right on. Did not have to be like this, you have the controls.
By the way, one sentence version of me above was not me.
TNP, I was actually fully aware that my definition was suggesting high self-respect for your case, but superficially so. Self-respect involves (in addition to formerly stated) turning off the lights when it is not only in your home but also in a hotel room, caring for a rental car as much as your own, it involves picking up the trash in a second move just as you barely missed the can in the first place. You are a non-caring person who would not bother with little details like that, particularly because it has nothing to do with 'YOU,' and in so many occasions you have repeated how it is all and only about you.
No, beatolac, that doesn't describe me at all.
ReplyDeleteYou're equating a personality disorder with being a slob.
You were on a roll though, with notme. It's a pity you made such silly assumptions at the end to break your beautiful flow.
Sociopaths don't turn of lights at hotels or pick up their trash. Do you know how hilarious that sounds?
Being a slob gains you unneeded attention and scorn. I do enough of that just being me in the other facets of my life.
For a second there, I thought you had something of an understanding, but you're just another passerby, making stabs in the dark. Pity.
Besides this is very therapeuatic. Expressing my feelings to people who don't give a shit, and getting responses that I could use.
ReplyDeleteThe thing about the light, TNP, is that you cannot be open. You cannot say you are an insecure weakling with a stubbed toe. You cannot say you feel like joining UFC to express anger. None of that.
I can do that here, because nobody cares. I just like having my feelings out there, and no other place could let me put it out there without reprecussion.
I could start a journal, but I risk people finding it.
Heh, do you still have time to be entertained? Or no.
@Jason.. Go write poetry you pussy
ReplyDeleteChristian Bale, you are so cool.
ReplyDeleteCan I be like you?
Jason's First Homework Assignment:
ReplyDeleteLearn better insults.
Nah your not cool enough.
ReplyDeleteJasons second homework assignment:
ReplyDeleteGet out of that wank fortress he calls a bedroom and find a girlfriend.
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ReplyDeleteNah, Escorts are WAY better.
ReplyDeleteF
ReplyDeleteA wank fortress? I like the sound of that.
ReplyDeleteI can imagine it now...
Stones made from hardened leftovers, sperm used ad mortar, and a secret cache of only the best porn.
Who would want a girlfriend when you have a mighty wank fortress?
I'd shudder to think what defenses such a building would have against intruders...
Blood in the water
ReplyDeleteOnly Jason is insecure enough to delete two posts in a row, BTW you lost because I seen your shitty posts.
ReplyDeleteWell I would be too busy wanking off to care for intruders.
ReplyDeletePlus if they are female, even better.
Wow, you should just leave lol
ReplyDeleteNow I am wanking off to you.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't be surprised.
ReplyDeleteIm about to climax.
ReplyDeleteHelp me out here
I know who you are Jason.
ReplyDeletebeatolac, i don't like being told lies about myself that's all.
ReplyDeleteAs for everything else, you can read into my being offended any way you like.
Oh yeah.
ReplyDeleteKeep it up. I am throbbing now. The head of my phallus is a dark red.
I can feel the blood rushing in my body.
ReplyDeleteMy heart rate is increasing. All my thoughts have vanished, and I am thinking of nothing more then getting off to you anonymous. You are my delight.
The thing keeping me in place.
Your lack of a response is only drawing me ever closer to a creamy ending.
ReplyDeleteIf only you were here beside me. On your knees. Begging for my sensual desert.
I am imagining that you are on the floor,knees down, your head face up, with your tongue moving back and forth, enticing me.
ReplyDeleteI can feel it coming. The familiar feeling of completeness.
jason is the most dangerous person here cos he's the weakest.
ReplyDeletethis is my orchestra
ReplyDeleteCharlie hush,
ReplyDeleteThis is between me and anon.
In some ways there is a kind of weird closure but I don't get turned on in any sexual way here.
ReplyDeleteAnon.
ReplyDeleteYou sure are turning me on sexually.
I am being turned on like an engine. I am ready to take off at 200 horse power baby.
whats the point? pander or justify all you want. Pathetic that you think expressing yourself here is gonna define you
ReplyDeleteCharlie, do you want in on my sexual moment?
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't mind a threesome.
just reactions after reactions. pathetic.
ReplyDeleteI am reacting still.
ReplyDeletePhallus is still out of my pants, being gently stroked like a baby being put to sleep.
Kill it
ReplyDeleteWhy dont you come over here and help me with that
ReplyDelete;)
Anon I thought we had something special. Something sacred.
ReplyDeleteA real bond.
I am screaming in agony for you to come here and fulfill my fantasies of basement wanking.
Why does the moon on M.E's blog look like a series of torn anuses?
ReplyDeleteAnswer me that anon.
What the fuck.
ReplyDeleteI should start a blog and put all sorts of sexual imagery on it.
ReplyDeleteHahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
ReplyDeleteI still have alot of perverted anecdotes for you all.
ReplyDeleteThe night shall go on.
Did Matthew (whoever the fuck is that?) mean that for women? Is that why so many smart women still feign stupidity and make socio men think they're the only ones who truly understand?
ReplyDeleteWhat does one do about extreme feelings of rage? Besides torture kittens and aunts.
ReplyDeleteWank in a basement to anonymous people online.
ReplyDeleteI don't torture things when I'm in a fit of rage, Medusa. That's a game of men, and rage melts a man to a feral thing.
ReplyDeleteDo something really good or really bad depending on how much longer you want to live.
ReplyDeleteTorturing is always about getting difficult information. About other things as well as things about yourself.
ReplyDeleteMedusa you've been missed.
ReplyDeleterage eh.
put your coat on and go for a walk, change where you are physically.
go speak to a stranger on your way and get them to tell you something miserable about their life. Feel better, go back home.
Just don't piss them off like you do to the people here. This is where you really need a mask.
ReplyDeleteJason you don't need a Fleshlite, a good warm liver will do.
ReplyDeleteGet him one since you're already in Libya
ReplyDeleteOh Ukan you pervert.
ReplyDeleteUkan, you should use your blogger profile then people will see your blog. just saying.
ReplyDeleteNotable, what do you do when you are feeling intense fits of rage?
ReplyDeletestart by identifying the source of rage
ReplyDeleteCertain people push my buttons. Only one drives me to rage.
ReplyDeleteSquashing whatever the hell put me into it. What else?
ReplyDelete"if you love something let it go"
ReplyDeleteLasting relationships is the product of mastering the art of living with pretensions. Reality is too unstable and unreliable.
My reality it too unstable to keep myself from wanking to you anonymous
ReplyDeleteplease let me go already!
ReplyDeleteDid jason just get a mentor rejection? I can relate..
ReplyDeleteHahahahahaha NOT!
ReplyDeleteJason is a perfect example of a person without self respect.
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ReplyDeleteYou people are all idiots.
ReplyDeleteI am struggling with identifying if someone I know is a sociopath. He definitely possesses so many of the listed traits, from constant lying, manipulation,impulsiveness, and a parasitic life style. And many of his actions seem cold and unfeeling, and he tends to write people off, having no contact with anyone from his childhood or college years. However, I have seen him embarrassed and I have seen him moved to tears on occasion when confronted in a vulnerable, non-threatening way, with the pain he has inflicted on another. I know it could be reasoned he was only acting in order to get some kind of pay-off (via manipulation, however, in the situations I'm referring to, there was no payoff to be had. Is this even possible for a sociopath? Have any of you experienced feeling embarrassed or any kind of remorse? I do know he struggles deeply with insecurity and he will react in extreme ways (something comparable to an adult having a tantrum)when he feels attacked by someone, or as a tool to deflect when he doesn't want to be wrong. But I'm just wondering if perhaps he is just so crippled by insecurity that he is driven to these sociopathic type behaviors to do things that give him a sense of power in order to cope. Could it be just a behavior and not true sociopathic condition?
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