I told my sociopath girlfriend that she is one of the most special, if not the most special things that has ever happened to me. She wants to take her mask off. That is why she is here. I want someone to see all of me. That is why I am there. In the processes, each person is finding himself through the mirror of the other, as Daniel said.
It is a gift I could never repay to her. I think I am,though, because she says that she wants to be seen, too.
We were talking about intimacy on here. I think this is it.
Which one is McNulty? I saw the first few seasons, only. Is he the white guy with the baby face? He did not seem bad in the first few seasons. Did he turn bad?
Have you seen the documentary fishead? In it, Hare explains that a sociopath (Aspd) doesn't enjoy hurting others, but will do it if he has to. He may regret it. He argues, the Psychopath actually enjoys hurting others, even killing them.
A good example would be John Dillinger being the sociopath, he had value for human life. And say, Jack the ripper being a psychopath.
I don't think the corporations are sociopaths. I don't think you can liken an entity to a person. The corporation is there to serve a purpose. It is how the practical world functions.
Something is very wrong here. I have tried to call my sociopathic girlfriend like at least 15 times during the last hour but she doesn't answer the phone. Is she dumping me now? Could it be happening?
If it is, I don't care, she's given me so much already I could never repay her. But I just need to hear her voice to explain that if she needs more space, whatever, I am willing to give it to her. Respect her boundaries.
But what if somebody has happened to her? What if her opening up to me was too much for her as an experience and she's now pondering suicide? What if I looked at her in the wrong way and she thinks I now despise her? I need to reach her to explain her that it is not so - that I understand her completely and that I love her more than life itself. How can I make her answer the phone?
With a conscience doesn't stop you from being so judgmental. Takes the feelings of inadequacy off yourself I take it ?. It's an expression of denial displayed outwardly. But don't worry, everyone has their obsessions.
Codependency (or codependence, co-narcissism or inverted narcissism) is unhealthy love and a tendency to behave in overly passive or excessively caretaking ways that negatively impact one's relationships and quality of life. It also often involves placing a lower priority on one's own needs, while being excessively preoccupied with the needs of others.[1] Codependency can occur in any type of relationship, including in families, at work, in friendships, and also in romantic, peer or community relationships.[1] Codependency may also be characterized by denial, low self-esteem, excessive compliance, or control patterns.[1] Narcissists are considered to be natural magnets for the codependent.
Codependency (or codependence, co-narcissism or inverted narcissism) is unhealthy love and a tendency to behave in overly passive or excessively caretaking ways that negatively impact one's relationships and quality of life. It also often involves placing a lower priority on one's own needs, while being excessively preoccupied with the needs of others.[1] Codependency can occur in any type of relationship, including in families, at work, in friendships, and also in romantic, peer or community relationships.[1] Codependency may also be characterized by denial, low self-esteem, excessive compliance, or control patterns.[1] Narcissists are considered to be natural magnets for the codependent.
Best thing about bpd or codependency vs narcissism or sociopathy... the first two can change and grow out of their patterns on their own or with help. I did. I am recovered bpd. Now I am a balanced super empath and can spot the creepy peeps from a mile away.
The best thing about growing out of code pendant patterns is relative to eating the apple. A sociopath just sort of always is themself. A code pendant who follows society and then grows into themselves, is like knowing.
First step for a "beeper" to cure themself is to recognize that all of their destructive patterns were learned (internalized) from their past narc and socio abusers. Peeling away the layers of bs imposed on them from outside. Narcs can do it too, but they're much too wrapped up in their bs to want to get rid of it.
my sociopathic girlfriend will not stop poking me in the ribs (it hurts just a little but I get the attention from her I need and crave.) She will NOT have sex with me though. She will Let me blow her strap on only. she talks to me when she wants and that is all I need to blow harder on her strap on. All I ever need.
A recovered bpd is similar to a socio in that they dont follow societal mores blindly. Main difference is that with empathy and a conscience, they can be so much more than any socio ever could. They can self actualize and be beneficial to themselves and the greater good. Socios dont hurt themselves when they hurt others, so they arent a part of the Oneness. The rest of us more enlightened folks are able to understand what that means when we say hurting others hurts ourselves. Codes and laws are for children and sociopaths to keep them in line because they dont know better. The rest of us balanced people can listen to our inner selves and know what is right, not out of fear of non compliance but out of respect for life and ourselves and each other.
Sure you do, Bella. Like I said, socios are like children. They dont know any better. They even allow themselves to stay children forever being all dependent on others to take care of them. You socios can make fun of codependents all you want, but your condition is the ultimate codependency. Where would you be without all of the people you get to do stuff for you and that you manipulate and humilate for fun? Can you actually spend days on end alone and happy about it?
When dealing with a coda and there's nothing to gain it can be acutely annoying. They actually drive me crazy trying to fix everything. I'm dealing with one this VERY second.
Wow Anon, you have some /fascinating/ views on Borderlines, Co-Ds, Socios, and Narcs. Some of it makes me want to laugh, some of it makes me wonder if you actually believe the things you're saying.
"First step for a "beeper" to cure themself is to recognize that all of their destructive patterns were learned (internalized) from their past narc and socio abusers. "
First of all, not all Borderlines were abused as children or had Socios/Narcs in their lives at all. There is an element of inborn temperment here. It's not just 'nurture'.
The first step for the Borderline to recognize that there's a problem in the first place and to be willing to seek and stick to getting help. Like many with a personality disorders, some are not self-aware enough to realize that there is something wrong with them. They may actually believe that it is the world around them that is wrong.
Not all borderlines admit to or remember being abused. Often they arent even aware of it. They do realize that others have a huge influence on them. One of the diagnostic criteria includes sexual abuse. Who do you think abused them? Narcs and socios. Narcs abuse because of indifference, being too wrapped up in their own needs. Socios abuse for fun. Abuse also is internalized more by bpds because of their hypersensitivity. Whereas a NT might not even consider it to be abuse because they arent as aware of the internal states of those around them (I sometimes wonder if there is much difference between NT and narcs). Yes not all bpds are aware of their condition. Thats where intelligence comes into play. If every dude you have ever been with turns out to be a dirtbad narc or socio (even if you dont know the labels you know they are assholes) you have to look at the common denominator (like I did) and admit that you are the one inviting these creeps in and learning from their fucked up patterns.
And you cannot say they had no narcs or socios in their lives that is totally laughable. They are everywhere. Our society rewards that behavior. Even NTs have picked up on their patterns and propagate them. How else can you explain the Kardashian fan base?
Anon... I was never abused as a child. I'm positive of that. And yet, still Borderline. I do have abuse in my past but this didn't 'turn me borderline'. I was already there.
Others do have a greater influence on us than most people would usually feel. I agree. And yes, we do tend to be hypersensitive.
However, there are 9 diagnostic criteria for Borderline in the DSM. You only need to meet 5 of them in order to be given this diagnosis. It does not say you must be 1. Sexually abused and have 4 other symptoms. Also, where are you getting this? The DSM says nothing about sexual abuse as a criteria for Borderline. Get your facts straight.
DSM-IV Checklist:
1.Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. Note: Do not include suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5 2.A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation. 3.Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self. 4.Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., promiscuous sex, eating disorders, binge eating, substance abuse, reckless driving). Note: Do not include suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5 5.Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, threats or self-injuring behavior such as cutting, interfering with the healing of scars (excoriation) or picking at oneself. 6.Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days). 7.Chronic feelings of emptiness 8.Inappropriate anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights). 9.Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation, delusions or severe dissociative symptoms
Next. Just because someone is an asshole or abusive does not mean they are socio/narc. It's perfectly common for your average joe to be a supreme dick.
What's wrong with using people if they are dumb enough to fall for it?
That is saying it is ok to keep power instead of guiding others to find their own power.
Use your talents of persuasion for the common good! Show others that they can think for themselves. It would benefit us all if the world was a better place.
Oh but I forgot, socio's emotional retardation prevents them from being able to see the big picture. Like kids, it is all about immediate gratification and being able to look down on others. You guys really could be more, just like the dupes out there could be more, if you would stop being so lazy and obsessed with distractions. Socios are the same as the NTs they target. Diff is the NTs can learn to be more.
Most normal people would have traits of different personality disorders. One might be paranoid, the other narcissistic. But it only becomes a "personality disorder" when the traits are chronic and affect every aspect of your life.
I know abuse, sexual or otherwise, is common with BPD. I'm not debating that. I'm saying that this is not the sole cause. It's a much more complicated disorder than that. Plus there are plenty of people that have been abused but do not become BPD. She's putting everyone under one blanket and that makes her statement false.
Haven, if you are bpd and you are not recovering or recovered, yet you are aware, then you are lazy. You've let the narc/socio bad examples (just like the so called average joe who is a dick has let those bad examples) influence you. You have choice. And just because you arent enlightened enough to realize all of the abuse you have suffered while living on this planet (and unless you have been in a bubble, you have been abused at least once and mostly likely have abused others without even knowing it, especially being bpd - we are notorious "kick the dog" people). See, borderlines are more aware of how others influence them, like a reverse socio, who is acutely aware of their influence on others. If you can find balance (I hope you are in therapy) you will be aware of how you effect others and how you can effect yourself and how you can protect yourself from being influenced by others (we can all learn from the socios there).
And dont kid yourself, many authority figures in your life have been narcs and socios. They live for that shit.
Prior to recently, I though PD's were from abuse. Now, I realize some people are born with them. Some people may have a tendency that the environment will ignite, so to speak. However, nature plays a huge part.
Some people are born with no tendency, but abuse can produce a PD.
Anon 1119... I'm not a psychopath , nor am I an expert on them, so I can only give a limited opinoin of how I think those traits would affect them. I imagine they would be able to go through life with a lot less emotional turmoil though. Without feeling guilt or remorse, when they do things that hurt others (intentionally or not) they wouldn't feel a need to make up for it. I don't know if psychopaths experience loneliness the same way a Borderline would. They also doon't have a fear of abandonment which is often what drives someone with BPD to keep their actions in check.
I could probably write a lot more on this but I don't have time at the moment.
In my experience, BPD's will take, use and manipulate until there is a perceived risk of abandonment and that is when the guilt and remorseful feelings kick in.
and im very fearful and sensitive of abandonment as well i think thats because i am really the beeper not the sociopathic at all dont abandon me because i wuld be upset
Haven, first off I want to apologize. I should know that I need to be extra conscientious about what words I use when speaking to a fellow "beeper" as someone called us earlier, especially in electronic communication, since you cannot read my body language, facial cues or tone.
Bpd is basically a super empath gone "bad". Ive heard it referred to as a dark empath. You can google "borderline empath" and see for yourelf. Take the "reading the mind through the eyes" test and see that you are basically the opposite of an aspie or a socio.
When I speak, I am speaking from my personal experience and just as no two socios are alike (some are content to lay around the house and get their codependent roommates or family members to do all the work and some seek world domination and all points in between) because there is the base issue of the underlying brain chemistry or the inherant nature, vs the environmental factors from early childhood on. A bpd who experienced severe sexual abuse will be a more severe case than one who just looked at porno mags as a kid.
I had moderate abuse (emotional, verbal, some sexual in early adolescence). My condition was exacerbated by all of the socios I hung out with in adolescence and early adulthood. Drug culture is filled with them. I internalized their concepts of reality and moral relativism, because they made more sense than what all th NT people believe. I still see them as sheople. I just feel more like a shephard than a wolf. It is why I believe we are basically inverse sociopaths. If we had been raised in supportive enviroments, we would be more like the Dalai Lama. Instead, we have to shed all of the destructive patterns in order to take our rightful place as the super empaths we are. Until we do, we will hurt ourselves and thos around us.
Bpd people are special. Mother nature created us to counter balance the socio. Someone has to be there to comfort the victims of the socios. A super empath is that person. Intuitive. If we have too much baggage from our own past, we cannot fully utilize our natural talents.
Reading "The Four Agreements" helped me immensely. It is about curing the human condition, which basically is what any personality disorder (other than socios) is. It just manifests itself differently from person to person, but there are basic behavioral patterns that emerge in people depending on their base self and their life experiences. Bpd has a special base self. It is just corrupted. Once you transcend that corruption, you will find yourself far more emotionally intelligent than the NTs. Take emotional intelligence tests as you progress on your path and watch your score get higher.
Also, I am a nurse and am highly anti psychiatry and pharma. They want you to be an NT or sheople with those drugs. Be careful. Socios are right. Most people are dupes. Those pills will make you one of them, instead of a special person like Martin Luther King or Gandhi or DaVinci.
"The 99% sociopathic? Lol. How do you explain that Wheat?"
Well, they're not really the 99%, are they? They're more like "that other extremist 1% that wants to rule the world their way", really. Just because these two one-percents are in opposite ends of the ideological spectrum, doesn't mean they can't both be sociopathic.
I do agree with them; the 'system' needs some freshning up, but it's not like they're the moral equivalent of Mother Theresa, and large corporations are the moral equivalent of baby-eating.
I imagine psychopaths probably like the occupy because it is a lot of people who are trusting of their fellow man all compressed together in one spot ready to be picked off.
I know a few socios personally who are involved in the occupy movement because a) they dont like to work and support socialism because they are lazy b) lots of young idealistic people to literally fuck or fuck with c) people will listen to them and it feeds their ego d) some are principled socios and in a weird way think they are doing "good"
I am a recovered bpd and abhor the occupy movement. I think the police and nanny states are equally dangerous to personal responsibility and personal empowerment. They keep humans sheople.
They probably are "sociopathic" as a whole, but a sociopath wouldn't associate with the occupy movement, as it wouldn't benefit them. Unless he was trying to dupe some naive hippie.
Even if the occupy movement did overthrow the government, it would be pointless, because Like Syria, Libya and everywhere else, there is always going to be another power hungry person striving for total control.
Yeah my ex is a total socio and he is ate up with this stupid occupy shit. I dont know that he's fucking hippie girls, but I cant imagine he is not. I do know that he bragged to me that he hadnt paid for drugs or food since he moved into the camp.
I can't imagine a beeper wanting to help make the world a better place LOL.
Just because they have some empathy does not make them the next Gandhi. They are pretty self absorbed as a whole and take as much as one is willing to give.
Yes here I am at socio world because they still fascinate me, and I still agree that most people are dupes. I just have hope that humankind is waking up from its slumber and the masses will stop allowing themselves to be led by sociopaths, but it will only happen because some of us have the balls to stand up for our fellow humans.
And not all women are bpd and not all bpd are women. My brother is bpd and when he quits the blame game and takes responsibility for his life and is no longer afraid of his emotions and empathy, he will be a great healer. Its just easier for women to get in tune with our emotional states because we are socialized that way. Men (like my brother) are taught to fear their emotional states by abusive assholes and bullies.
That's exactly why socios would join 'the movement' (which, ironically, is all about sitting in one place): free drugs, free food and free staying in pretty much every major city.
People, most sociopaths arent in prison. They are only violent if they were raised that way. Most are just leeches and the live among us. And they love the whole socialist idea of getting shit for free based on others hard work.
Yeah the russians under Stalin were just tossing themselves in the factories waiting for hand outs. The chinese just fuck off their time waiting for the unemployment. The cubans do fuck all, because they know the bread line will take care of everything. The americans are busting their arses in the mills trying to provide the world with their fine craftsmanship. Is that the way you see it? This is trite western thinking taken straight out of some capitalist propaghanda play book.
Most psychopaths aren't in prison because they are crafty. Not because we have Good Paths following the rules. I've been in prison and been breaking the law all my life, yet I can say I have only met five or six people that are sociopaths in my entire life. One I keep in contact with because he's older and mellowed out a bit.
"People, most sociopaths arent in prison. They are only violent if they were raised that way. Most are just leeches and the live among us. And they love the whole socialist idea of getting shit for free based on others hard work."
This commentor makes more sense in 3 sentences than most do in 3 wallpapers of text.
"I actually found a sociopath website. Very interesting. http://www.sociopathworld.com/
It is true that sociopaths are discriminated against very often. It could be even worse for them than for aspies.
Some employers will make people take personality tests. It is wrong because it discriminates. For aspies we need to know the rules and codes of conduct and have them explained. Probably sociopaths needs to know the rules and code of conduct but also what consequences for breaking the rules. They can choose to follow the rules and not get in trouble. I hate this being always accused of breaking unwritten rules or codes and then being told that I did not care that I hurt someone's feelings or that I have no morals. Probably the same happens to sociopaths. "
Sociopaths get treated badly BECAUSE they treat others badly by objective criteria (such as beating people up, torturing animals, etc).
Aspies get treated badly because we do things like give honest answers to questions when NTs expect lies, don't make eye contact in the desired manner, etc.
It's widely regarded that sociopathy is a set of thought processes (IE software) while psychopathy is an issue of brain wiring that gives a similar result (hurting other people for fun). We might feel some sympathy for psychopaths, but the extreme cases (Hannibal Lector etc) need to be locked up and even the mild cases need to be kept away from children (they should use the PCL-R on everyone who applies for job as a teacher)"
Sociopaths don't get treated badly at all. They aren't discrimnated against except on paper. In reality they are treated better than everyone else around them because they know how to manipulate people. If you want I can play the victim role, but I would rather just be honest here.
Somebody with aspergers is going to be treated like a retard because that's the way society is. They treat you well based on how they relate to you. People don't relate to autistic people.
I dont assume crafty people to be socios. The ones I suspect of being socios arent that crafty. They are interpersonally exploitative and never own up to their shit. They assume us all to be dumb as rocks and enjoy almost being obvious about their duplicitness I guess it must make it even more fun I dont know, but they always seem to be surprised when I am able to see through them. Some have tried to turn it back around on me and play the victims themselves and some seem to be energized by having a worthy opponent and try harder to "beat me" but most of them just cut me out of their life when I make it clear that I will not be their dupe. They rely on the idea that most people don't want to be perceived as mean and are desperate for others approval. Most people require outside validation and that is what socios bank on.
but they always seem to be surprised when I am able to see through them. Some have tried to turn it back around on me and play the victims themselves and some seem to be energized by having a worthy opponent and try harder to "beat me" but most of them just cut me out of their life when I make it clear that I will not be their dupe.
More likely they were just your regular assholes who sensed your crazy and got outta dodge.
You make it sound like a video game. Sociopaths comin' at you at all directions, from all sides!
Ukan you got outed here because you were hated. You got treated how you treated others. I mean....duh?
Nobody has outed me, and nobody hates me but the people that got crushed in here. You are insignificant, Ami get over it. Hate comes from fear and the fact that you hide who you are when you talk to me tells all.
"They are interpersonally exploitative and never own up to their shit. They assume us all to be dumb as rocks and enjoy almost being obvious about their duplicitness I guess it must make it even more fun I dont know, but they always seem to be surprised when I am able to see through them"
Just because you have some traits in the PCL-R doesn't make you a psychopath. It takes a pretty high score, which means you have to have extreme cases of most of the traits on there to reach a score that is psychopathic.
One way or the other I think Ukan is the only true sociopath here I've seen so far. Don't like him? Chances are you've been duped by Hollywood make-belief psychos.
I live in Eugene, OR where even the mayor approves of Occupy and we are overly accomodating of our sociopaths. Our homeless population is huge and so is our druggie/hippie subculture. All are not sociopaths, obviously, but the sociopaths fit in well and feed off of the good intentions of the people who try to help as well as the idealistic hippie types. Most are just lazy and amoral and are happy to take handouts and not have to assume any personal responsibility.
I thought I was liberal til I moved here. Always assumed the only "bad guys" were the conservative politicians and religious leaders duping the public. Nope. The liberal socios arent really liberal, they just hide among the liberals and take advantage of their belief in cooperation and desire to help the disenfranchised.
I shouldnt have said anything, because now the rest of you lazy socios will want to move here to be taken care of. Just remember it rains here. A lot.
No shit.
ReplyDeleteGreed is good.
ReplyDeleteI told my sociopath girlfriend that she is one of the most special, if not the most special things that has ever happened to me. She wants to take her mask off. That is why she is here. I want someone to see all of me. That is why I am there. In the processes, each person is finding himself through the mirror of the other, as Daniel said.
ReplyDeleteIt is a gift I could never repay to her. I think I am,though, because she says that she wants to be seen, too.
We were talking about intimacy on here. I think this is it.
UKan, Mcnulty is an ASPD, not a psychopath.
ReplyDeleteWhich one is McNulty? I saw the first few seasons, only. Is he the white guy with the baby face? He did not seem bad in the first few seasons. Did he turn bad?
ReplyDelete...The Wire. Epic
ReplyDeleteYes..the white guy that got stuck doing harbor patrol.
ReplyDeleteHave you seen the documentary fishead? In it, Hare explains that a sociopath (Aspd) doesn't enjoy hurting others, but will do it if he has to. He may regret it. He argues, the Psychopath actually enjoys hurting others, even killing them.
ReplyDeleteA good example would be John Dillinger being the sociopath, he had value for human life. And say, Jack the ripper being a psychopath.
Anonymous Psychopath said...
ReplyDeleteYes..the white guy that got stuck doing harbor patrol.
Yes, I thought so. He used to be good, like the one with a conscience lol
This is a good example of a psychopath --
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAqAE0JSDk4
I don't need youtube to understand what I am :)
ReplyDeleteI don't think the corporations are sociopaths. I don't think you can liken an entity to a person. The corporation is there to serve a purpose. It is how the practical world functions.
ReplyDelete@Carol.. I look forward to your book refuting that point.
ReplyDeleteIt's chilling to me (as a person with a conscience) how these freaks compete with each other to see who killed more victims.
ReplyDeleteLook how obsessed they are with being the best --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOYdxxevdFA
Something is very wrong here. I have tried to call my sociopathic girlfriend like at least 15 times during the last hour but she doesn't answer the phone. Is she dumping me now? Could it be happening?
ReplyDeleteIf it is, I don't care, she's given me so much already I could never repay her. But I just need to hear her voice to explain that if she needs more space, whatever, I am willing to give it to her. Respect her boundaries.
But what if somebody has happened to her? What if her opening up to me was too much for her as an experience and she's now pondering suicide? What if I looked at her in the wrong way and she thinks I now despise her? I need to reach her to explain her that it is not so - that I understand her completely and that I love her more than life itself. How can I make her answer the phone?
He's a sicky.
ReplyDeleteWith a conscience doesn't stop you from being so judgmental. Takes the feelings of inadequacy off yourself I take it ?. It's an expression of denial displayed outwardly. But don't worry, everyone has their obsessions.
ReplyDelete"It's chilling to me (as a person with a conscience) how these freaks compete with each other to see who killed more victims.
ReplyDeleteLook how obsessed they are with being the best --"
Agreed. As if killing the broads, fucking the bodies and destroying their families wasn't enough LOL.
@Anon 6:26 AM
ReplyDeleteFeel better now ?
I was waiting for a fake Monica! lol
ReplyDeleteAny stuff like that is not me.
@ Monica
ReplyDeleteSo, are you hot ?
fucking sluts deserved it
ReplyDeleteThis is the best blog post I've seen in weeks.
ReplyDeleteSweaty cheeks fits the profile of a serial killer victim --
ReplyDelete-- pig ugly (no media attention)
-- runaway
-- no common sense
-- insane
-- trusting
-- overweight (not going anywhere soon)
Sweet Cheeks is beautiful. What is wrong with you? Get an eye exam.
ReplyDeleteHi Gary
Hi harv
wv:hank
Codependency (or codependence, co-narcissism or inverted narcissism) is unhealthy love and a tendency to behave in overly passive or excessively caretaking ways that negatively impact one's relationships and quality of life. It also often involves placing a lower priority on one's own needs, while being excessively preoccupied with the needs of others.[1] Codependency can occur in any type of relationship, including in families, at work, in friendships, and also in romantic, peer or community relationships.[1] Codependency may also be characterized by denial, low self-esteem, excessive compliance, or control patterns.[1] Narcissists are considered to be natural magnets for the codependent.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qip5WWXKq4
ReplyDeletenarc magnet lol
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ReplyDeletehiiiiiiiiiiiiii :) are beepers and codependents on the same side of the whole self hate and shame stuff?
ReplyDeleteI was just thinking that same thing Bella
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buuL6Phmm2o
ReplyDeletehiiiiiiiiiiiiii :) are beepers and codependents on the same side of the whole self hate and shame stuff?
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ReplyDelete"hiiiiiiiiiiiiii :) are beepers and codependents on the same side of the whole self hate and shame stuff?"
ReplyDeleteYes, but codependents suppress it more.
Codependency (or codependence, co-narcissism or inverted narcissism) is unhealthy love and a tendency to behave in overly passive or excessively caretaking ways that negatively impact one's relationships and quality of life. It also often involves placing a lower priority on one's own needs, while being excessively preoccupied with the needs of others.[1] Codependency can occur in any type of relationship, including in families, at work, in friendships, and also in romantic, peer or community relationships.[1] Codependency may also be characterized by denial, low self-esteem, excessive compliance, or control patterns.[1] Narcissists are considered to be natural magnets for the codependent.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDelete"hiiiiiiiiiiiiii :) are beepers and codependents on the same side of the whole self hate and shame stuff?"
Yes, but codependents suppress it more.
i think beepers are a tinsy bit more moody and destructive to friends
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L4OJAG2onw
ReplyDeleteCodependents have a more solid sense of self than BPDs.
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Did M.E. suddenly get a life or something? And if so, what will happen to the rest of us? How will we cope in a world without SW?
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That Frank person takes my name
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Hi Frank
ReplyDeletehi Gary
Frank, how are your sheets? Do they go with your comforter?
wv:harvard
i think i have a sense of self but its flexible cuz some things i don't accept
ReplyDeleteNot exactly, Harv. The color is a little off, but I am making do.
ReplyDeletewv:whitesale
You take a mortal man
ReplyDeleteAnd put him in control
Watch him become a god
Watch peoples heads a 'roll
A 'roll, a 'roll
Just like the pied piper
Led rats through the streets
We dance like Marionettes
Swaying to the symphony of destruction
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ReplyDeletewhere did sceli go
ReplyDeleteBest thing about bpd or codependency vs narcissism or sociopathy... the first two can change and grow out of their patterns on their own or with help. I did. I am recovered bpd. Now I am a balanced super empath and can spot the creepy peeps from a mile away.
ReplyDeletea sure cure
ReplyDeletei like being a shitty person :D mo fun
ReplyDeleteThe best thing about growing out of code pendant patterns is relative to eating the apple. A sociopath just sort of always is themself. A code pendant who follows society and then grows into themselves, is like knowing.
ReplyDeleteandam for the cure
ReplyDeleteFirst step for a "beeper" to cure themself is to recognize that all of their destructive patterns were learned (internalized) from their past narc and socio abusers. Peeling away the layers of bs imposed on them from outside. Narcs can do it too, but they're much too wrapped up in their bs to want to get rid of it.
ReplyDeleteI did themself on purpose, but rereading it it doesn't sound as fun as it did in my head.
ReplyDeletemy sociopathic girlfriend will not stop poking me in the ribs (it hurts just a little but I get the attention from her I need and crave.) She will NOT have sex with me though. She will Let me blow her strap on only. she talks to me when she wants and that is all I need to blow harder on her strap on. All I ever need.
ReplyDeletehmmmmmmmmmm
ReplyDeleteandam for the cure akung AMIGO
ReplyDeleteA recovered bpd is similar to a socio in that they dont follow societal mores blindly. Main difference is that with empathy and a conscience, they can be so much more than any socio ever could. They can self actualize and be beneficial to themselves and the greater good. Socios dont hurt themselves when they hurt others, so they arent a part of the Oneness. The rest of us more enlightened folks are able to understand what that means when we say hurting others hurts ourselves. Codes and laws are for children and sociopaths to keep them in line because they dont know better. The rest of us balanced people can listen to our inner selves and know what is right, not out of fear of non compliance but out of respect for life and ourselves and each other.
ReplyDeletei am a very disrespectful person...the realization of a narcissist wanting to be a sociopath make me very disrespectful...
ReplyDeletei like me :(
ReplyDeleteI like fake Monica. She's dirty.
ReplyDeleteCarry on...
Sure you do, Bella. Like I said, socios are like children. They dont know any better. They even allow themselves to stay children forever being all dependent on others to take care of them. You socios can make fun of codependents all you want, but your condition is the ultimate codependency. Where would you be without all of the people you get to do stuff for you and that you manipulate and humilate for fun? Can you actually spend days on end alone and happy about it?
ReplyDeleteToday's word, bobbery!
ReplyDeleteyes :) but not a socio
ReplyDeleteWhen dealing with a coda and there's nothing to gain it can be acutely annoying. They actually drive me crazy trying to fix everything. I'm dealing with one this VERY second.
ReplyDeleteWow Anon, you have some /fascinating/ views on Borderlines, Co-Ds, Socios, and Narcs. Some of it makes me want to laugh, some of it makes me wonder if you actually believe the things you're saying.
ReplyDelete"First step for a "beeper" to cure themself is to recognize that all of their destructive patterns were learned (internalized) from their past narc and socio abusers. "
First of all, not all Borderlines were abused as children or had Socios/Narcs in their lives at all. There is an element of inborn temperment here. It's not just 'nurture'.
The first step for the Borderline to recognize that there's a problem in the first place and to be willing to seek and stick to getting help. Like many with a personality disorders, some are not self-aware enough to realize that there is something wrong with them. They may actually believe that it is the world around them that is wrong.
Not all borderlines admit to or remember being abused. Often they arent even aware of it. They do realize that others have a huge influence on them. One of the diagnostic criteria includes sexual abuse. Who do you think abused them? Narcs and socios. Narcs abuse because of indifference, being too wrapped up in their own needs. Socios abuse for fun. Abuse also is internalized more by bpds because of their hypersensitivity. Whereas a NT might not even consider it to be abuse because they arent as aware of the internal states of those around them (I sometimes wonder if there is much difference between NT and narcs). Yes not all bpds are aware of their condition. Thats where intelligence comes into play. If every dude you have ever been with turns out to be a dirtbad narc or socio (even if you dont know the labels you know they are assholes) you have to look at the common denominator (like I did) and admit that you are the one inviting these creeps in and learning from their fucked up patterns.
ReplyDeleteSimple post today and very true.
ReplyDeleteWhat is wrong with using and manipulating people if they are dumb enough to fall for it?
And you cannot say they had no narcs or socios in their lives that is totally laughable. They are everywhere. Our society rewards that behavior. Even NTs have picked up on their patterns and propagate them. How else can you explain the Kardashian fan base?
ReplyDeleteSweet I answered you, yesterday. But I can't copy and paste it.
ReplyDeletekim kardashian is a narc. i guess it runs in the family. her dad was oj simpson's lawyer. the whole family is fucked!
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Anon... I was never abused as a child. I'm positive of that. And yet, still Borderline. I do have abuse in my past but this didn't 'turn me borderline'. I was already there.
ReplyDeleteOthers do have a greater influence on us than most people would usually feel. I agree. And yes, we do tend to be hypersensitive.
However, there are 9 diagnostic criteria for Borderline in the DSM. You only need to meet 5 of them in order to be given this diagnosis. It does not say you must be 1. Sexually abused and have 4 other symptoms. Also, where are you getting this? The DSM says nothing about sexual abuse as a criteria for Borderline. Get your facts straight.
DSM-IV Checklist:
1.Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment. Note: Do not include suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5
2.A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.
3.Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
4.Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., promiscuous sex, eating disorders, binge eating, substance abuse, reckless driving). Note: Do not include suicidal or self-injuring behavior covered in Criterion 5
5.Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, threats or self-injuring behavior such as cutting, interfering with the healing of scars (excoriation) or picking at oneself.
6.Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).
7.Chronic feelings of emptiness
8.Inappropriate anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights).
9.Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation, delusions or severe dissociative symptoms
Next. Just because someone is an asshole or abusive does not mean they are socio/narc. It's perfectly common for your average joe to be a supreme dick.
Haven, sexual abuse is constantly seen in borderline patients. I think that's what she means.
ReplyDeleteCome to mama.......!
ReplyDeleteWhat's wrong with using people if they are dumb enough to fall for it?
ReplyDeleteThat is saying it is ok to keep power instead of guiding others to find their own power.
Use your talents of persuasion for the common good! Show others that they can think for themselves. It would benefit us all if the world was a better place.
Oh but I forgot, socio's emotional retardation prevents them from being able to see the big picture. Like kids, it is all about immediate gratification and being able to look down on others. You guys really could be more, just like the dupes out there could be more, if you would stop being so lazy and obsessed with distractions. Socios are the same as the NTs they target. Diff is the NTs can learn to be more.
Most normal people would have traits of different personality disorders. One might be paranoid, the other narcissistic. But it only becomes a "personality disorder" when the traits are chronic and affect every aspect of your life.
ReplyDeleteI know abuse, sexual or otherwise, is common with BPD. I'm not debating that. I'm saying that this is not the sole cause. It's a much more complicated disorder than that. Plus there are plenty of people that have been abused but do not become BPD. She's putting everyone under one blanket and that makes her statement false.
ReplyDeleteA person who lacks empathy in certain areas, but can be generally do good, could never qualify as a psychopath.
ReplyDeleteYou would need to express an all pervasive and abnormal lack of empathy, in every aspect of your life.
Haven, if you are bpd and you are not recovering or recovered, yet you are aware, then you are lazy. You've let the narc/socio bad examples (just like the so called average joe who is a dick has let those bad examples) influence you. You have choice. And just because you arent enlightened enough to realize all of the abuse you have suffered while living on this planet (and unless you have been in a bubble, you have been abused at least once and mostly likely have abused others without even knowing it, especially being bpd - we are notorious "kick the dog" people). See, borderlines are more aware of how others influence them, like a reverse socio, who is acutely aware of their influence on others. If you can find balance (I hope you are in therapy) you will be aware of how you effect others and how you can effect yourself and how you can protect yourself from being influenced by others (we can all learn from the socios there).
ReplyDeleteAnd dont kid yourself, many authority figures in your life have been narcs and socios. They live for that shit.
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ReplyDeleteHaven, I'd be interested how you think a psychopaths traits would affect their every day life, compared to how your borderline traits affect yours?
ReplyDeleteI was never sexually abused.
ReplyDeleteWow, way to be ignorant and judgmental Anon. I've been in therapy and medicated for the last year now. I'm working on it.
ReplyDeleteYOU, however, have no right to judge anyone or make blanket statements.
Didn't I just say that I had abuse in my past but that it wasn't the cause of my BPD? I'm pretty sure my ability to read says I did.
I'm not kidding myself. I'm sure plenty of people are narcs and socios. But that doesn't mean every jerk out there is. That's just ignorant.
@Haven Do you have relatives who had BPD or PD's?
ReplyDeleteBorderlines are empathic. It's rather safe to sit down with a borderline and discuss weaknesses or problems.
ReplyDeleteSociopaths have zero empathy, which means if you discuss weaknesses in front of them, they will use it against you.
Prior to recently, I though PD's were from abuse. Now, I realize some people are born with them. Some people may have a tendency that the environment will ignite, so to speak. However, nature plays a huge part.
ReplyDeleteSome people are born with no tendency, but abuse can produce a PD.
--A person who lacks empathy in certain areas, but can be generally do good, could never qualify as a psychopath.
ReplyDeleteYou would need to express an all pervasive and abnormal lack of empathy, in every aspect of your life.--
Good and evil are of no importance. Nevertheless I intentionally commit acts that are considered 'good' from time to time to achieve my goals.
Anon 1119... I'm not a psychopath , nor am I an expert on them, so I can only give a limited opinoin of how I think those traits would affect them. I imagine they would be able to go through life with a lot less emotional turmoil though. Without feeling guilt or remorse, when they do things that hurt others (intentionally or not) they wouldn't feel a need to make up for it. I don't know if psychopaths experience loneliness the same way a Borderline would. They also doon't have a fear of abandonment which is often what drives someone with BPD to keep their actions in check.
ReplyDeleteI could probably write a lot more on this but I don't have time at the moment.
Caroline... as far as I know, no. My sister and one of my grandmothers was bipolar though. That's different brain chemistry than BPD though.
ReplyDeleteremember my abusive alcoholic sailor father violent sexually abusive i told ya about him thats why i became sociopathic i am the real victim here
ReplyDeleteBPD and bipolar are empath disorders. Paranoid pd's can be nasty motherfuckers.
ReplyDeleteIn my experience, BPD's will take, use and manipulate until there is a perceived risk of abandonment and that is when the guilt and remorseful feelings kick in.
ReplyDeleteI don't get the idea of fearing abandonment. Where is the logic in it? I understand wanting to keep a person around for material needs.
ReplyDeleteLess is more, innit? But still, if the entire Occupy-movement were a person, it'd be at least somewhat sociopathic too, right?
ReplyDeleteI suppose there is a need for control and validation that is similar to the narcissist and their abandonment issues.
ReplyDeleteThe 99% sociopathic? Lol. How do you explain that Wheat?
ReplyDeleteThis is probably the only place where non sociopaths can speak to sociopaths.
ReplyDeleteDo you think they'd acknowledge our existence, in person? Doubt it. Sociopaths are hard to get.
and im very fearful and sensitive of abandonment as well i think thats because i am really the beeper not the sociopathic at all dont abandon me because i wuld be upset
ReplyDeleteThe occupy movement is a hodge podge of empaths, aspies, and the odd dumb nigger criminal.
ReplyDeletePsychopaths and narcissists look down on them.
Haven, first off I want to apologize. I should know that I need to be extra conscientious about what words I use when speaking to a fellow "beeper" as someone called us earlier, especially in electronic communication, since you cannot read my body language, facial cues or tone.
ReplyDeleteBpd is basically a super empath gone "bad". Ive heard it referred to as a dark empath. You can google "borderline empath" and see for yourelf. Take the "reading the mind through the eyes" test and see that you are basically the opposite of an aspie or a socio.
When I speak, I am speaking from my personal experience and just as no two socios are alike (some are content to lay around the house and get their codependent roommates or family members to do all the work and some seek world domination and all points in between) because there is the base issue of the underlying brain chemistry or the inherant nature, vs the environmental factors from early childhood on. A bpd who experienced severe sexual abuse will be a more severe case than one who just looked at porno mags as a kid.
I had moderate abuse (emotional, verbal, some sexual in early adolescence). My condition was exacerbated by all of the socios I hung out with in adolescence and early adulthood. Drug culture is filled with them. I internalized their concepts of reality and moral relativism, because they made more sense than what all th NT people believe. I still see them as sheople. I just feel more like a shephard than a wolf. It is why I believe we are basically inverse sociopaths. If we had been raised in supportive enviroments, we would be more like the Dalai Lama. Instead, we have to shed all of the destructive patterns in order to take our rightful place as the super empaths we are. Until we do, we will hurt ourselves and thos around us.
Bpd people are special. Mother nature created us to counter balance the socio. Someone has to be there to comfort the victims of the socios. A super empath is that person. Intuitive. If we have too much baggage from our own past, we cannot fully utilize our natural talents.
Reading "The Four Agreements" helped me immensely. It is about curing the human condition, which basically is what any personality disorder (other than socios) is. It just manifests itself differently from person to person, but there are basic behavioral patterns that emerge in people depending on their base self and their life experiences. Bpd has a special base self. It is just corrupted. Once you transcend that corruption, you will find yourself far more emotionally intelligent than the NTs. Take emotional intelligence tests as you progress on your path and watch your score get higher.
Also, I am a nurse and am highly anti psychiatry and pharma. They want you to be an NT or sheople with those drugs. Be careful. Socios are right. Most people are dupes. Those pills will make you one of them, instead of a special person like Martin Luther King or Gandhi or DaVinci.
"Take the "reading the mind through the eyes" test and see that you are basically the opposite of an aspie or a socio"
ReplyDeleteActually, the test was used on a group of psychopaths. The group showed no impairment on the mind through the eyes test.
"The 99% sociopathic? Lol. How do you explain that Wheat?"
ReplyDeleteWell, they're not really the 99%, are they? They're more like "that other extremist 1% that wants to rule the world their way", really. Just because these two one-percents are in opposite ends of the ideological spectrum, doesn't mean they can't both be sociopathic.
I do agree with them; the 'system' needs some freshning up, but it's not like they're the moral equivalent of Mother Theresa, and large corporations are the moral equivalent of baby-eating.
I imagine psychopaths probably like the occupy because it is a lot of people who are trusting of their fellow man all compressed together in one spot ready to be picked off.
ReplyDeleteI know a few socios personally who are involved in the occupy movement because a) they dont like to work and support socialism because they are lazy b) lots of young idealistic people to literally fuck or fuck with c) people will listen to them and it feeds their ego d) some are principled socios and in a weird way think they are doing "good"
I am a recovered bpd and abhor the occupy movement. I think the police and nanny states are equally dangerous to personal responsibility and personal empowerment. They keep humans sheople.
They probably are "sociopathic" as a whole, but a sociopath wouldn't associate with the occupy movement, as it wouldn't benefit them. Unless he was trying to dupe some naive hippie.
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ReplyDeleteMy condition was exacerbated by all of the socios I hung out with in adolescence and early adulthood.
ReplyDeleteAnd yet here you are, at SociopathWorld. You say you are 'cured'?
Bpd people are special. Mother nature created us to counter balance the socio.
So BPD is a creation myth now? You think that BPD people are made from the rib of a socio?
Compare:
"Women people are special. Mother nature created us to counter balance the man."
Just ugh. Smacks of 'muse' junk.
"I know a few socios personally"
ReplyDeleteLie. I bet you don't know one.
Even if the occupy movement did overthrow the government, it would be pointless, because Like Syria, Libya and everywhere else, there is always going to be another power hungry person striving for total control.
ReplyDeleteI am suspicious of anyone who claims to 'know a few sociopaths', unless they've spent a fair amount of time in prison.
ReplyDeleteYeah my ex is a total socio and he is ate up with this stupid occupy shit. I dont know that he's fucking hippie girls, but I cant imagine he is not. I do know that he bragged to me that he hadnt paid for drugs or food since he moved into the camp.
ReplyDeleteFrank is bored.
ReplyDeleteThe sociopaths will identify with the 1%. Not the occupy movement.
ReplyDeleteI can't imagine a beeper wanting to help make the world a better place LOL.
ReplyDeleteJust because they have some empathy does not make them the next Gandhi. They are pretty self absorbed as a whole and take as much as one is willing to give.
http://glennrowe.net/BaronCohen/Faces/EyesTest.aspx
ReplyDeleteYes here I am at socio world because they still fascinate me, and I still agree that most people are dupes. I just have hope that humankind is waking up from its slumber and the masses will stop allowing themselves to be led by sociopaths, but it will only happen because some of us have the balls to stand up for our fellow humans.
ReplyDeleteAnd not all women are bpd and not all bpd are women. My brother is bpd and when he quits the blame game and takes responsibility for his life and is no longer afraid of his emotions and empathy, he will be a great healer. Its just easier for women to get in tune with our emotional states because we are socialized that way. Men (like my brother) are taught to fear their emotional states by abusive assholes and bullies.
the sociopaths might not even identify with the 1% some of them might even think the bikers are boring and childish there are many kinds
ReplyDeleteWho would you rather be, the bleeding heart peasants below or the successful above? I know what I'd rather.
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That's exactly why socios would join 'the movement' (which, ironically, is all about sitting in one place): free drugs, free food and free staying in pretty much every major city.
ReplyDeleteNot all psychopaths take drugs Wheat. Most don't.
ReplyDeletePeople, most sociopaths arent in prison. They are only violent if they were raised that way. Most are just leeches and the live among us. And they love the whole socialist idea of getting shit for free based on others hard work.
ReplyDeleteGary, Frank is bored.
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Hi harv
Hi Hank
wv:harv
Yeah I know. I'd still consider it an incentive, though. Not all psychopaths like major cities too.
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ReplyDeleteYou missed the point. It's not about how gender relates to BPD, it's about the concept that one party only exists as a counterpoint of another.
ReplyDelete"Dare the Regulars to take the TEST said...
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Why?
And how exactly do you differentiate a sociopath from your run-of-the-mill hippie loser leech?
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wv:harv
Why would a sociopath be impaired on the "mind through the eye test" If anything a sociopath would score higher.
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Why?
1) A stupid test is a sure fire way to place boredom at bay.
2) You may educate yourself about what makes you so superior.
2) Because it turns me on to make you do things.
No really, what's your motive?
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ReplyDeleteDid you post these comments?
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=21185&page=3
Yeah the russians under Stalin were just tossing themselves in the factories waiting for hand outs. The chinese just fuck off their time waiting for the unemployment. The cubans do fuck all, because they know the bread line will take care of everything. The americans are busting their arses in the mills trying to provide the world with their fine craftsmanship. Is that the way you see it? This is trite western thinking taken straight out of some capitalist propaghanda play book.
ReplyDeleteMost psychopaths aren't in prison because they are crafty. Not because we have Good Paths following the rules. I've been in prison and been breaking the law all my life, yet I can say I have only met five or six people that are sociopaths in my entire life. One I keep in contact with because he's older and mellowed out a bit.
first page.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=21185&page=1
Check the link out. It's an aspie claiming to be a sociopath. He's saying that sociopaths are nice people and are being victimized LOL.
ReplyDeleteThe other aspies are tearing the guy apart. Pretty funny.
"People, most sociopaths arent in prison. They are only violent if they were raised that way. Most are just leeches and the live among us. And they love the whole socialist idea of getting shit for free based on others hard work."
ReplyDeleteThis commentor makes more sense in 3 sentences than most do in 3 wallpapers of text.
Sounds like Zhawq
ReplyDeleteI thought it was M.E.
ReplyDeleteyou have met more if 1 out of 100 is one Ukan
ReplyDeleteM.E. has aspergers? I don't think so.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure I met a lot more than most considering, but unlike a lot of you I don't assume everyone I have met that is crafty is a sociopath.
ReplyDelete"I actually found a sociopath website. Very interesting. http://www.sociopathworld.com/
ReplyDeleteIt is true that sociopaths are discriminated against very often. It could be even worse for them than for aspies.
Some employers will make people take personality tests. It is wrong because it discriminates. For aspies we need to know the rules and codes of conduct and have them explained. Probably sociopaths needs to know the rules and code of conduct but also what consequences for breaking the rules. They can choose to follow the rules and not get in trouble. I hate this being always accused of breaking unwritten rules or codes and then being told that I did not care that I hurt someone's feelings or that I have no morals. Probably the same happens to sociopaths. "
Hello Medusa :)
ReplyDeleteHow are you today?
my score 24
ReplyDeletevery true ukan
ReplyDelete"What a ridiculous thing to say.
ReplyDeleteSociopaths get treated badly BECAUSE they treat others badly by objective criteria (such as beating people up, torturing animals, etc).
Aspies get treated badly because we do things like give honest answers to questions when NTs expect lies, don't make eye contact in the desired manner, etc.
It's widely regarded that sociopathy is a set of thought processes (IE software) while psychopathy is an issue of brain wiring that gives a similar result (hurting other people for fun). We might feel some sympathy for psychopaths, but the extreme cases (Hannibal Lector etc) need to be locked up and even the mild cases need to be kept away from children (they should use the PCL-R on everyone who applies for job as a teacher)"
ANON said
ReplyDeleteNo really, what's your motive?
Would I lie to you?
ANON said
Did you post these comments?
I didn't post that apie shit.
"I'm a lot older than you and I've known a lot more people. And I've known 2 textbook sociopaths in my life (plus 2 or 3 possible sociopaths)."
ReplyDeleteOf course it was you.
Sociopaths don't get treated badly at all. They aren't discrimnated against except on paper. In reality they are treated better than everyone else around them because they know how to manipulate people. If you want I can play the victim role, but I would rather just be honest here.
ReplyDeleteSomebody with aspergers is going to be treated like a retard because that's the way society is. They treat you well based on how they relate to you. People don't relate to autistic people.
Ukan you got outed here because you were hated. You got treated how you treated others. I mean....duh?
ReplyDeleteExactly my point, UKan. People bend over backwards for sociopaths.
ReplyDeleteI dont assume crafty people to be socios. The ones I suspect of being socios arent that crafty. They are interpersonally exploitative and never own up to their shit. They assume us all to be dumb as rocks and enjoy almost being obvious about their duplicitness I guess it must make it even more fun I dont know, but they always seem to be surprised when I am able to see through them. Some have tried to turn it back around on me and play the victims themselves and some seem to be energized by having a worthy opponent and try harder to "beat me" but most of them just cut me out of their life when I make it clear that I will not be their dupe. They rely on the idea that most people don't want to be perceived as mean and are desperate for others approval. Most people require outside validation and that is what socios bank on.
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ReplyDeleteOf course it was you.
You wish it was me. Then your tight box of an intellect would believe in it's own superior delusions. Cheers you aspie slave.
but they always seem to be surprised when I am able to see through them. Some have tried to turn it back around on me and play the victims themselves and some seem to be energized by having a worthy opponent and try harder to "beat me" but most of them just cut me out of their life when I make it clear that I will not be their dupe.
ReplyDeleteMore likely they were just your regular assholes who sensed your crazy and got outta dodge.
You make it sound like a video game. Sociopaths comin' at you at all directions, from all sides!
ReplyDeleteUkan you got outed here because you were hated. You got treated how you treated others. I mean....duh?
Nobody has outed me, and nobody hates me but the people that got crushed in here. You are insignificant, Ami get over it. Hate comes from fear and the fact that you hide who you are when you talk to me tells all.
Hi Caroline.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that one was Ami.
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ReplyDeleteThe ones I suspect of being socios arent that crafty.
So chances are they are not sociopaths. All crafty people are not sociopaths, but all sociopaths are crafty. Even the ones with a low IQ.
Who else is dumb enough to still think I'm James Mannion?
ReplyDeleteSo chances are they are not sociopaths. All crafty people are not sociopaths, but all sociopaths are crafty. Even the ones with a low IQ.
ReplyDeleteHow crafty are you when ALL your information comes out?
I don't think I'll ever find that out, because I'm crafty.
ReplyDelete"They are interpersonally exploitative and never own up to their shit. They assume us all to be dumb as rocks and enjoy almost being obvious about their duplicitness I guess it must make it even more fun I dont know, but they always seem to be surprised when I am able to see through them"
ReplyDeleteI agree with this part, entirely.
There's any number of dumb people around here.
ReplyDeleteJames, you is losing you groove, hun.
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ReplyDeleteYou almost have to be crafty on here. Sociopaths will use anything to smear you. If your too intelligent, your a nerd. Too tough, insecure and so on.
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ReplyDeleteJust because you have some traits in the PCL-R doesn't make you a psychopath. It takes a pretty high score, which means you have to have extreme cases of most of the traits on there to reach a score that is psychopathic.
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ReplyDeleteYou almost have to be crafty on here. Sociopaths will use anything to smear you. If your too intelligent, your a nerd. Too tough, insecure and so on.
Fuck all. That is true.
C= mission accomplished
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One way or the other I think Ukan is the only true sociopath here I've seen so far. Don't like him? Chances are you've been duped by Hollywood make-belief psychos.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that's true. Youre either new or a sycophant. There's a few here.
ReplyDeleteFuck me in the ass UKan please!
ReplyDeleteI live in Hollywood and I see real psycho's everyday.
ReplyDeleteLOL Very true vm.
ReplyDeleteI used to live across the street from the Scientology Celebrity Centre.
ReplyDeleteIt's like the epicenter of psychoville.
boring shit
ReplyDeleteI live in Eugene, OR where even the mayor approves of Occupy and we are overly accomodating of our sociopaths. Our homeless population is huge and so is our druggie/hippie subculture. All are not sociopaths, obviously, but the sociopaths fit in well and feed off of the good intentions of the people who try to help as well as the idealistic hippie types. Most are just lazy and amoral and are happy to take handouts and not have to assume any personal responsibility.
ReplyDeleteI thought I was liberal til I moved here. Always assumed the only "bad guys" were the conservative politicians and religious leaders duping the public. Nope. The liberal socios arent really liberal, they just hide among the liberals and take advantage of their belief in cooperation and desire to help the disenfranchised.
I shouldnt have said anything, because now the rest of you lazy socios will want to move here to be taken care of. Just remember it rains here. A lot.
Oh on Franklin. I go to counterpoint all the time beside Gelson's. I always get asked to tour the one near La Brea and Hollywood. I yell at them.
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