I'm not sure what my mom thought. She received calls from the police and principal fairly often when I was a kid, but I rarely got in trouble over it. I think she kind of didn't care as long as I wasn't causing trouble at home.
Then again I always thought people didn't care or I didn't get in trouble, as long as I wasn't being told to do something I didn't want to do as a result of it. So maybe she did care and I did get in trouble but I didn't notice.
Fakers rots above a throat. Why won't the innocence decide? How will Sociopaths dice the impulse? Against the approval expands Sociopaths. The unhelpful clock seals Sociopaths outside the playground.
Carneal isn't evil. He had been picked on for years. An act of desperation. As for the Bulger killers, they are psychopaths. One of them is back in prison for possessing child porn.
At the trial it was established that at this location, one of the boys threw blue Humbrol modelling paint, which they had shoplifted earlier, into Bulger's left eye. They kicked and stamped on him, and threw bricks and stones at him. Batteries were placed in Bulger's mouth. Police believed some batteries may have been inserted into his anus, although none were found there. Finally, a 22-pound (10.0 kg) iron bar, described in court as a railway fishplate, was dropped on him. Bulger suffered ten skull fractures as a result of the iron bar striking his head. Dr. Alan Williams, the case's pathologist, stated that Bulger suffered so many injuries — 42 in total — that none could be isolated as the fatal blow. Before they left him, the boys laid Bulger across the railway tracks and weighted his head down with rubble, in the hope that a train would hit him and make his death appear to be an accident.
What differentiates the psychopaths violence from the violence of the petty thug, is the psychopaths violence is not born from hate or discrimination, but rather a natural and primal urge to dominate and kill. It's not personal.
Right, but you claimed that dominance and murder was a natural human urge. When in fact, Darwin discovered that cooperation, love, and empathy were more natural than any other instinct.
Cooperation, not dominance, is the single primary reason why every species (including humans) have survived thus far. According to Darwin, anyway.
Bizy, the psychopathic mind is far from "natural". Darwin was not studying the psychopathic mind. The study has been around for 100 years. Darwin DIED before. Fuck dude, go you have google ? Or do you just like posting crap because it sounds good to you?
I was simply addressing the quote from Anon @ 6:43.
The claim was that dominance and murder was a natural human urge. Here, I'll post it again, since scrolling up seems to be a bit of a challenge for some:
"a natural and primal urge to dominate and kill"
I was only disagreeing with this statement, nothing more. I was basing my opinion on the writings of Darwin in his book "The Descent of Man."
I was not referring to the sociopathic mind, just as the previous commenter was not referring to the sociopathic mind. Anon was instead making generalizations about humans. I simply disagreed.
I'm curious why my rather benign disagreement ignites such hostility in you. I enjoy a lively discussion. But insults indicate a level of unintelligence that I get bored with very quickly.
And yes, I am well aware that the sociopathic mind is more of an anomaly, rather than the norm. Sociopathy, too, serves a proper place in the scheme of Darwinian theories. But that is another topic altogether...
You simple minded idealistic junkie fuck. What is stopping your pathetic mind from comprehending that fact, that there are predators of mankind, just as there are predators in all other species. Some children are born violent and there are many violent psychopaths who have not been abused. Violence is not the outcome of abuse, it is a tool of manipulation. Your rosy view of the world is delusional. Is that why you numbed yourself with crack, smack, whatever it was? Because you cannot handle pure raw reality.
I am well aware that there are predators in human nature, as well as other species.
I never disputed this.
Dominance and murder is not what has been the trait that has perpetuated the species. It has been cooperation. Again, according to Darwin.
Though, I will disagree that children are born violent. I've been clear about this in other posts.
But either way, it seems we are more in agreement than disagreement that predators do exist. It's just not the norm, and it certainly does not contribute to the perpetuation of the species.
I concede. Only if it makes you smile. The fact that you even engaged with me at all, lets us both know even you don't believe in your own "bad-ass" facade.
Having a child from a possible sociopath, I've done extensive research on the subject. Kids are born with predispositions, but even a predisposed sociopathic child can be nurtured into a high functioning one, who can use his skills to contribute to society. A doctor, firefighter, etc. Not every sociopath is evil and violent. And the research certainly shows that babies are not born evil.
Show me this research, because I have far more studies to prove you're wrong. High functioning was a label created on SW, which means it has zero legitimacy. Your idea of a high functioning sociopath would score far to low to be considered a sociopath.
I posted all the research in a prior post. But I'll be happy to find the links again, and repost.
And yes, "high functioning" is a term I learned from this site. It wasn't any term I found in research.
Perhaps you can also post your findings, as well. I would be interested to know what studies you have found on the subject. Especially given my own concern for my daughter's possible predisposition.
You're the one under pressure. I'm using the conventional idea of a psychopath. You're the person coming up with new definitions. I could simply link you to the PCL-R to prove my point, as it shows that it is impossible to score 30 or above on the checklist and still be as you call "high functioning" All psychopaths are evil, if you judge by the dictionaries view of evil. The trait callous lack of empathy constitutes this.
Right, but you are arguing that children can be sociopaths. When the checklist, as well as the DSM is very clear about not diagnosing sociopathy before the age of 18.
Also, you didn't state that you were using "conventional ideas" - you referenced studies that could prove my opinions and theories wrong. I was asking to see which studies, since you asked to see which studies I was referring to.
I'm arguing that the term high functioning sociopath is invalid. Adult psychopaths would have had oppositional defiant disorder and conduct disorder, as children.
"you referenced studies that could prove my opinions and theories wrong"
Here is the only way to determine if a person is a psychopath. As I've already stated, a high functioning sociopath could NEVER score over thirty on the PCL-R, there is no hope.
I may be inclined to agree with you at a certain level. Certainly, if you score higher on this checklist, the more aggressive, violent, and criminal the sociopath tends to be.
But those who've learned to keep impulse control in check, violent tendencies will possibly score lower, and fall under the radar.
You can't tell me that there haven't been sociopathic presidents, CEO's, doctors, bomb detonators, pilots, etc. who are not sociopathic.
Sociopathy is measured on a gradient scale.
Those who score lower may have just learned to function better...and some will possibly not be detected as a sociopath.
So, are you maintaining that every single sociopath is a detriment? Just curious to know your insight.
lizy, it's truly funny watching you cling to delusions as anon debunks you. it takes an exceptional persuader to sell theories with no basis or merit and that you are not.
"You can't tell me that there haven't been sociopathic presidents, CEO's, doctors, bomb detonators, pilots, etc. who are not sociopathic."
There are a few, but look at the widespread devastation they cause. They vent their rage with wars, mass robbery, conquering territory and genocide. A quote states, serial killers ruin families, but political and business psychopaths ruin societies. How do we know Obama isn't abusing friends, family and subordinates once the cameras aren't rolling? Maybe the smiley attention whoring Obama we all see is just his mask of sanity?
I've only maintained my opinion that children are not and can not be sociopaths or "evil." All children, by their definition, are sociopathic.
Most modes of diagnosing sociopathy prohibit diagnosis before the age of 18. And for good reason.
As far as the term "high functioning" - I'm flexible in the regard. I don't "cling" to anything in that regard. In other words, I am open to other explanations for the personality who seems sociopathic, but is also maintaining a level of social success when compared to the his criminal counterparts.
I'll ask again - in the interest of clarity and illumination - is every sociopath "evil" and a detriment? I'm not committed to any particular answer, I just want some insight...
Humans are all a detriment you stupid fool, do you watch the news ? Do you see all the crime going on? Are ALL the people doing crime.....sociopaths or psychopaths ? Some don't get caught, some do. Some are dumb, some are smart. Do we have to dumb it down for you any more ? You are complicating a non complicated issue. Fuck are you dumb.
I am inclined to agree with you that in most cases, sociopaths in power are destructive.
But I do hold on to the idea that children who are predisposed towards sociopathy can be conditioned to live constructive lives. This, based on the research of Dr. Dietz and others.
Bizy, you should tell my parents that they didn't throw enough money or time at me growing up. Being from a rich loving and caring family didn't seem to "fix" me. I think it had to do with the lack of activity in the brain where there should be some. Weird huh ?
accept that there are children born with empathy and those born without it. some people are predatory, others stupid. when you can throw away your idealism, you begin to see the world how it really is, but by that time you'll most likely be cracked out on some bench.
"accept that there are children born with empathy and those born without it."
Actually, you are incorrect. Children are born with zero empathy. None. Zilch.
Infants are born the most sociopathic, self-indulged, self-absorbed of all creatures. Empathy is learned (rewarded by the dopamine and pleasure centers in the brain), and take about 7 to 9 years to fully develop.
Lol, no...you are so very incorrect. Please read Darwin's "Descent of Man." Please. You're embarrassing yourself.
We survived by people loving each other, having sex, and cooperating as a group. People would have died off very, very quickly if everyone was only out for number one.
Yes, there is violence and people who defy the social norms of cooperation. But they fall into the minority. Inform yourself.
bizy, how can you explain the psychopaths "vacant eyes"? psychopaths are born with what some call lifeless eyes. this clearly constitutes that psychopaths are born differently and there is something going on from the time of birth. eyes do not change due to environmental factors.
I'm not sure if it is as simple as providing a child with money, a loving home, etc.
If born with a predisposition towards sociopathy, then the parent needs to be more hypersensitive to certain things. Discipline, for example. A predisposed child towards sociopathy would not respond to guilt-induced methods of discipline.
You have to become the impartial judge, and let the child learn through natural consequences as much as possible.
But there are so many factors that go into parenting, that to say you had a "loving home" and you still became a nonfunctioning sociopath is too simple.
You may not have bonded adequately during your vulnerable infant period, you may have been emotionally engaged too much. I don't know.
And then, yes, perhaps there are cases when nothing could have saved the child.
This beautifully sums up how bizy and other uber empaths view psychopaths.
"I will die for these animals, I will die for these animals, I will die for these animals . . ." Legendary filmmaker Werner Herzog returns to his favorite theme, obsession, as he traces the story of Timothy Treadwell, an amateur naturalist who spent 13 summers among wild brown bears at Katmai National Park in Alaska. Treadwell and his girlfriend were tragically killed by one of the bears during the fall of 2003. This is an extraordinary and haunting documentary full of astounding footage and some great introspective narration. Sample Dialogue: "And what haunts me, is that in all the faces of all the bears that Treadwell ever filmed, I discover no kinship, no understanding, no mercy. I see only the overwhelming indifference of nature. To me, there is no such thing as a secret world of the bears. And this blank stare speaks only of a half-bored interest in food. But for Timothy Treadwell, this bear was a friend, a savior."
Every sociopath is different. If "vacant eyes" was the singular sociopathic trait that could give them away, then we could all save ourselves.
It's silly to think that all sociopaths have "vacant eyes." And honestly, empty, vacant eyes are more indicative of autism of some sort.
All sociopaths are different. Sure, some might have vacant eyes. Others might have a charming, delightful personality, while others may have a devilish smile.
And what haunts me, is that in all the faces of all the socios that BizyLizy ever defended, I discover no kinship, no understanding, no mercy. I see only the overwhelming indifference of nature. To me, there is no such thing as a secret world of the socios. And this blank stare speaks only of a half-bored interest in food. But for BizyLizy, this socio was a friend, a savior. What a delusional bastard she was, but may she rest in peace.
I simply see the spectrum, that's all. I simply started this conversation by stating that it was Darwin who discovered and wrote about Cooperation and sympathy being the strongest human instinct.
So, on that note, why don't you go argue with Darwin? He said it, not me.
Ugh, unfounded pessimism is just as irritating as unfounded idealism, if not more so. Overly idealistic people are annoyingly delusional, overly pessimistic people seem to think that they're the only original thinkers in the world and feel the need to constantly remind others about this. (They probably use the word 'sheeple' a lot, too.) The world isn't all black or all white; there's a billion shades of grey in between and 99% of the time, whether something is good or evil changes with your perspective. Of course it's hard to see that when your head is up your ass.
So can sociopaths be 'good'? Sure, why not! They are free to make that choice, same as anyone. Don't we all have desires to do evil? If we were all predisposed toward good, wouldn't that devalue our good actions and choices? A sociopath deciding not to harm someone means a lot more than an empath deciding not to harm someone. Their choice is more unnatural, and therefore meaningful. On the other side of the coin, a empath harming someone is much worse than a sociopath harming someone, in my eyes. The empath would actively have to ignore their victim's pain and the tuggings of their conscience while a sociopath would be detached from their victim's suffering. (This doesn't mean I always feel that way. I'm better able to sympathize with and forgive crimes of passion than a detached murder, even if the crimes themselves are the same. I admit, I have a little bias against sociopaths that I'm trying to quash.)
M.E, psychopaths generally do not do good, simply because there is no underlying desire to do good. Would you play a sport regularly that you do not enjoy and have no interest in? Very unlikely.
Haha, were you talking to me, Anon 7:43? I'm not M.E., I'm a bleeding heart empath. :)
Just because there's no desire to do something doesn't mean there is no motivation. If I only did the things I wanted to do, I'd be a fat, motionless human blob that plays video games all day. But since I want to be healthy and live a long, active life, I eat foods that I don't particularly like, I engage in activities that I don't enjoy, and I cut back on the things I enjoy that are harmful in excess. I think any self-aware sociopath knows the social benefits of living a fairly 'moral' lifestyle. Their motivation might be selfish, but honestly, truly selfless actions are extremely rare. I admit that part of my motivation for doing something kind to someone who can't return the favor is that 'warm and fuzzy' feeling it gives me. People can't help being a little bit selfish; it's human nature.
Children phases the endeavor. Children scans an only message past our strict reminder. A metal lurks throughout the bulletin. Children screens the stranger. The dance befriends psychopaths.
For those lovelies like Raven who miss Monica Moo, I don't want to disappoint you. I study ME's articles in my quest to re-clain my self.
The sociopath has a flexible self which seems very much like water, which is pictured in ME's article on the flexible self. The empath has a self which could be likened to an ice berg. The empath's self has more form and substance. If there has been an assault to the self, the person becomes more water-like, as happened to me.
His public examines the noun around the questioning refund. Should Haven flash? When will Haven capture Monica? Why won't Monica leak into the ego? His subroutine screws Haven below the zone. Above the president fudges the moon.
Anon, if I wanted to tell a bunch of people to frack off, I would do so unabashedly, as myself. I just checked in to see if anyone claimed the credit.:D
For all your skeptics. I am going to tell you something that will happen, but has not, yet. That way, all your smarties cannot argue that people made it up, afterwards.
Damascus will be destroyed. It will be leveled. Everything the Bible says, everything, will come to pass, Friends.
Damascus is the oldest inhabited city in the world, and will not be destroyed. It's been through more shit than you can imagine and is an awesome place. :( :) Stupid Bible.
I don’t get why a source as outdated as Darwin and the Descent of Man is quoted here like the ultimate frontier of truth.
Sociopaths are no more of an anomaly to human life than spotted hyenas are to the African ecosystem. They are a natural part of life. An ugly one, but natural nonetheless.
Claiming that compassion and cooperation are more rightfully human than the urge for dominance and destruction is denying a very obvious part of human nature. Just take a look at the most successful examples of cooperation in carnage, such as the war-machine of Christianity throughout history and across continents.
Human nature is made of opposites. The one arises from the other and each one is meaningless without the other. Cooperation and compassion make sense to those who feel it only because they can also intuit an inner state of desolation and barenness.
It’s just that the inner world of the sociopath usually epitomises the one extreme. And it is that extreme one-sidedness that feels so alien, or ‘evil’ rather than the actual capacity for destruction.
That makes total sense to me, Yellow. That is why a sociopath and an empath can bring a unique perspective to one another, unlike an empath with an empath or a sociopath with a sociopath.
I didn't quote Darwin as the ultimate frontier of truth. Though his theories are still the most widely accepted by science to this day.
But I certainly don't discount other theories of human nature.
What my point was that within a specific specie, there has to be overall cooperation in order to survive and thrive. Anomalies are simply characteristics of a select few that deviate from the norm of the specie as a whole. These anomalies have their place in ensuring the specie thrive. They can sharpen our defenses, keep us alert.
Hyenas as a specie are also very cooperative within their pact. Are they cooperative with the African ecosystem? I would venture to say yes, they are. Hyenas do hunt and kill and scavenge, but they only take what they need, and no more. They don't dictate a gazelle genocide. They only kill when they are hungry, and among themselves they cooperate for the ultimate survival of their specie.
This is all I meant by referring to Darwin.
I don't claim that compassion and cooperation are more rightly human than dominance and destruction. This is where you missed my point.
Obviously dominance and destruction is part of human nature. But...my point here is only that is was never the driving force behind the survival of the species. It is a dark side, yes. But it is cooperative behavior that has propelled each and every specie forward into surviving and thriving.
From ants to penguins to lions and monkeys....cooperation and working together. This, I would be so bold as to say, is the elixir of life.
But again, Darwinism is only theory, albeit a much respected one. But theories are always open to speculation and improvement.
"From ants to penguins to lions and monkeys....cooperation and working together. This, I would be so bold as to say, is the elixir of life."
This is essentially why it is named antisocial personality disorder because sociopaths have no benefit toward society. In other words, sociopaths are useless and damaging to society.
Great observation. Though some would argue that sociopaths serve as a way to keep the rest of society vigilant and prepared for life-threatening situations. Arguably, without them, we may become too relaxed and despondent. From an evolutionary standpoint. From an ethical or moral perception, I can see how many people with ASPD are detrimental.
Which leads me to my ongoing question. ASPD is a personality disorder with sociopathy as one of the criterion. Do you think there is such a thing as a functioning sociopath (without the ASPD disorder) who can contribute to society.
Again, just a question. Because honestly, I don't know. I tend to think that there are functioning sociopaths who have learned that contributing to society ultimately benefits themselves. Of course, they don't arrive to this conclusion by any internal moral or empathetic compass. I would think that they arrived to this conclusion through analyzing that abiding by social rules saves their own ass.
OK, I will take the challenge, even though I will have Raven et al coming at me like a dragon spitting fire.
I have a sociopath g/f. She wants to show someone her face, as she is lying to everyone in her life. I want someone to listen to things that most empaths cannot handle such as incest. I have yet found an empath who can bear to listen, shrink or non shrink. She talks to me about how it is to be a socipath. She tells me her struggles. She is simply a gift to me. I expect nothing except respect and honesty. She gives me that and I do the same. However, it is the difference in perspectives that makes it unique, as there are things a sociopath can do much more proficiently than an empath and vice -versa.
you weren't very specific and ive heard that story before. you say the same thing repeatedly. give me a more specific example of what they give each other without your girlfriend story. what can sociopaths do more proficiently?
The sociopath is comfortable in the realm of primal emotions. He is not afraid of what terrifies me. What is natural for him is foreign to me. The primal self is more than sexuality. It is all our passions and impulses. I jettisoned those when I was molested at age 5.
why do you have a hard time giving a direct answer? i asked you how it benefits you to see the dark side of man and all you tell me is that you are afraid of things the sociopath is not. that tells me nothing. are you still afraid? are you trying to be more like a sociopath? less like? and tell me how does a sociopath benefit from an emapth such as yourself?
Ok, I will try to be flat out direct. I am scared to death of my anger, my sexuality, my passion. The sociopath shows me that these are NATURAL parts of the human being. I talk to her about my passions. She helps me see that I will not be hurt or attacked if I am a primal person and not a walking head. I was molested when I had primal passions. I think they got me molested, even though I know, in my head they didn't. In my body, I think they did.
For her, she has to lie to everyone about her experience as a sociopath. She is starting to tell me what she experiences day to day as she navigates her world which is made up of empaths, like me.
She is a bridge to my own passions, which is a PART of my human nature. I am an empath who can help her make some sort of a bridge in the world in which she lives which is populated with empaths, to whom she must wear a mask.
One cannot describe every aspect of it, as there are things which slip under the radar, as far as that they have no words to express them.
not really. i want to know why you are incapable of learning these things on your own? from yourself and your personal life experience? the other thing i want to know is where you met this self-proclaimed sociopath? do you work together or met each other in school? are you related to her? i hope you aren't going to tell me you met her online. so many people lie about who they are online and there's no way for you to tell for sure.
Empaths can't seem to deal with the kind of things I went through without trying to push it away and hence, not allow me to grieve it. I need someone to hear me for me to let it go. I don't know why I never could get rid of it until, now. Where and how I met her, I do not want to say.
why don't you want to say? because i scoffed at the idea that you met a genuine sociopath online that wants to help you grieve? i don't personally believe a sociopath would care to listen to your sad stories. personally i think you are more likely to meet one online while being scammed. you claim you know for a fact that empaths can't deal with your story do you? why is that? do you believe you story is different than anyone else? if the empath is more likely to be the victim, and the sociopath more likely to be the one to victimize, then which of those 2 are more likely to be able to relate to the victim? i think it would be the empath don't you? or are you one of those people who rejects your own kind because they are not unique enough?
when you will repeat the same thing again? i want to hear a different story from you. don't you have anything else going on in your life besides grief? why is grief so important to you?
why are you running away from me? you don't know how to answer my questions? i just want to understand where you are coming from. is that so hard for you? what can you give me that is a new perspective empath? what? so far you only give me details of how you want to talk about yourself all day to someone who won't tell you to shut up and get a life, no?
you couldn't face grief without the help of someone else? how is it you are able to offer a new perspective to the sociopath when you can't learn your own lessons and grieve without an audience?
i see empaths helping each other with grief all the time. isn't that the essence of being empathic? being able to understand the pain of others and show compassion for the grieving? grieving with them? isn't that how it's supposed to work? someone without empathy will not be able to help you grieve. sociopaths can't understand your grief or care about it.
personally i don't think a sociopath would listen to you for long friend. they are self absorbed and as Yellow pointed out, very one sided. no real sociopath is going to want to hear you carrying on about yourself over time unless they get some kind of gratification. i don't think you know what a sociopath is. do you really know she is one for sure? i don't think she is.
Really bad abuse makes the empath turn away. It is too much for them. The socipath may not 'care" but that may be the strength of it. The sociopath can let you let it go, to another human. Do you understand, at all?
no i still don't understand you. you make it sound like all empaths deal with or don't deal with everything the same. you are an empath right? does that mean you will not be able to listen to someone else tell their story of molestation and abuse? i bet you're now going to turn it around and say that you are the only empath who is willing to listen, yes? you think you are a special kind of empath?
I think the ONLY empath who can listen is one who has faced his own darkness and so does not need to push away the darkness in others. I think this is very, very rare, practically nonexistent.
what makes you the expert on empaths? where do you get your measurements from? i want to see the statistics on these claims you make about empaths an how rare it is for them to deal with the deep stress of others. you still haven't told me how you know this girlfriend is a sociopath. let me guess, she just told you right? and you just believe her because she said so right? people who are experts don't just believe people just because they said so.
I did not originate this. It is from Dr. Alice Miller and "The Drama of the Gifted Child". I am only saying what I have studied from her and believe to be true, from my experience.
well i haven't read that nor do i care to. so why don't you just tell me in your own words, or quote from this doctors book where it says that empaths can't deal with other people's abuse issues when they are really bad. i want quotes and then i want the facts that back this claim up from other studies and other doctors. can you tell me where it says in this book that sociopaths are the ony ones who can help with grief? where does it say that a sociopath can help to heal you?
She was born without empathy, my girlfriend. She did not know her father, but thinks he was a sociopath. I have tried to pull together resources such as Dr Alice Miller and Janov. These concepts are ones that others have researched. They make sense to my gut, but I did not originate them. Alice Miller has a website in which she explains the concept of the Enlightened Witness, which is what I am saying, in layman's terms.
you are still dancing around my questions. quote her where she says a sociopath is this witness. how does your girlfriend know she was born without empathy and if she never knew her father then how could she think he was anything other than gone? why do you believe her? how does this book you speak of tie in to your figures of sociopaths and empaths? does it have anything to do with them at all? why are you so vague in all your replies to me?
No one "said" a sociopath would be able to help me. I found this out, myself. I have yet to find an empath who could help. They can't deal with these things, even though they say they can. I have not found one who can, anyway. Talk is cheap.
sociopaths are all about what they can get from you not what you can get from them. that's how it works and there is real scientific evidence to back this claim up. so what is it you give this supposed sociopath that she needs so much she is willing to suffer you talking her ear off about yourself?
Vague LOL I am trying to be direct. You are a formidable conversationalist. I need to be up to you, or at least, somewhere in the general vicinity. So, I will say "Good Night" before you have me looped all around the tree in an endless knot.
Isn't the entire concept of Miller's witness a person who observes what is going on and acts as a pillar of some kind during development? Wouldn't that sort of invalidate the concept if applied to adulthood, long after abuse?
I don't think it's so immaterial at all in your case, Monica. You seem very attached to labels, preconceptions, and sorting people. You cannot function without them, it seems.
I have been studying Alice Miller, for years. This is where I differ from many "authorities". I think healing is simple, as a flower will thrive in sunlight and with simple nutrients. To heal, a person needs another person to care and to listen. Actually, Carl Rogers even said that lol
good god Monica, shut up. You are an embaressement to all of us. You are embaressing. And I hope to good god a troll. Pretty much everything you say is drenched in utter patheticness. Even I have no sympathy for you. Just go away. I'm serious. Go away. And please, reply to this in a manner that isn't pathetic ot sycophantic and I may just respond. If you don't respond, I'll know for sure you are a troll.
I found the young girl, Mary Bell intriguing. Most pre-teen budding serial killers don't start to stalk or kill people until their mid teens to early twenties. She even left a signature and took trophies. I imagine she started on animals at a young age. From the genital mutilation, it sounds like she may have had sexual situations with someone to view them as something significant.
Most of the rest seemed like standard homicides/spree killings. She's the only one that screamed psychopath to me. The rest, you never know.
oh tnp, please...most of them are psychopaths. The one I was most angry about though was the one involving the adult pedophile...It made it worse...that an adult was involved...
I knew about most of them ahead of time. I agree on Mary Bell. The guy who hid the body under his bed strikes me as a bit off as well.
If you actually read about Mary Bell it gets a whole lot more interesting than the snippet in the video. You are entirely correct in your perception of her.
I didn't read up, or hear of any of those cases before. I essentially live under a rock when it comes to the news. September 11 and the ramp up to invade Iraq were the last two fiascoes I paid attention to. It's been that long.
I also don't like armchair diagnosing people as sociopaths/psychopaths/narcissists unless there's damn good proof. Maybe there is, I just haven't seen it. Mary Bell on the other hand, that's all I needed to know.
I'm bad at the news as well. I forgot how I heard about Mary Bell. Quite a few were new, but quite a few weren't that new. The ones from the 90s or earlier I knew about. Bell was from the 60s or 70s (I forget.) There were a few I hadn't heard, but I agree that they were probably isolated incidents.
The kid who dragged the girl back to his house and brutally murdered while having the gal to hide her bloody corpse under his bed was definitely a whack job, and probably legitimately mental, but a psychopath? I doubt it. They aren't the only violent offenders on the crazy train, and that was so incredibly amateur. Then again, I'll give him props for unintentional humor, keeping the corpse of his dead lady friend with his stash of pornography. That was worth a good chuckle.
I have a really hard time giving a shit about anything on the news, even if it's something local and interesting. I live in my own little world where I prioritize everything based on enjoyment factor.
I wasn't implying psychopath. Just that it was interesting.
I also tend to avoid the news. I pick up on some news from forums I frequent. Occasionally something like the Casey Anthony case will annoy me on facebook. The reactions most people have to things like that are very grating. I almost responded with "it was her kid, it's not your business what she does with it" or "Babies take two years tops to remake and it was her baby" to someone who would not shut up about it on facebook. I held back because the consequences of posting something like that on my actual facebook account weren't worth it. I also don't actually believe what I wrote in quotes, but it's a less annoying and more amusing position than not shutting up about how A BABY KILLER GOES FREE!!! 24/7.
I really do not understand the emotions most people go through when they read something they dub horrible in the news. I can predict them. I just don't understand the psychological process at all. It's always when the person is arrested too, when it stops mattering. If it's someone who isn't caught I can chalk it up to fear or something, but once they are caught? I don't get it.
Also, the Casey Anthony case is interesting because she was guilty and did get off without legal consequences. It's worth reading an objective view of at least once. I didn't follow it while it was happening, because you get bombarded with dumb stuff. Write ups on things like that after the fact are usually decent.
I tend to lack enjoyment in general TNP. So I'm jealous of your ability to prioritize based on something I find harder and harder to get as time goes on.
It's the little things in life that turn your day right side up. A good breakfast, a peaceful walk, people watching, some indulgent schadenfreude, buying yourself a present, et cetera. Like the guy from Zombieland and his Twinkie obsession. It really is the little things adding up that help keep you positive. One important event just doesn't have the endurance to affect me if it does at all in any long-standing way. I'm all about th short-term pleasures. I've never assumed a future, and with cancer now, I'd say I'm glad that's how I'm wired. A guy my age, unmarried with no kids or house to own would have officially failed the American Dream ;)
I feel amusement easily while doing most anything, but it goes away as quickly as it comes. If something makes me happy it's only for however long that something lasts. Rarely more. I've had a relationship break that, and I've had anticipating something break that for maybe a day tops.
I don't really associate emotions, or pleasure, with activities or people which is probably why I prioritize differently. I'm constantly looking for more, and it seems fleeting.
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My mom thought I was the most evil kid in history...
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure what my mom thought. She received calls from the police and principal fairly often when I was a kid, but I rarely got in trouble over it. I think she kind of didn't care as long as I wasn't causing trouble at home.
DeleteThen again I always thought people didn't care or I didn't get in trouble, as long as I wasn't being told to do something I didn't want to do as a result of it. So maybe she did care and I did get in trouble but I didn't notice.
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Now these kids are psychopaths. The rest of you claiming to be psychopaths on here are sad pretenders compared to them.
ReplyDeleteMy comment definitely applies to you Chosen One.
Delete...you forgot the "The".
DeleteFakers rots above a throat. Why won't the innocence decide? How will Sociopaths dice the impulse? Against the approval expands Sociopaths. The unhelpful clock seals Sociopaths outside the playground.
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ReplyDeleteSorry, the blog at fuckimapsychopath.blogspot.com has been removed.
This address is not available for new blogs.
Psychopathicwritings is still up. And by the looks of it, Zhawq hasn't killed anyone since the last post LMFAO!
DeleteLoooooooooseer!
Got news for you, Zhawq posts here often. She is a regular here, but you morons are too tunnel vision to notice.
DeleteCarneal isn't evil. He had been picked on for years. An act of desperation. As for the Bulger killers, they are psychopaths. One of them is back in prison for possessing child porn.
ReplyDeleteAt the trial it was established that at this location, one of the boys threw blue Humbrol modelling paint, which they had shoplifted earlier, into Bulger's left eye. They kicked and stamped on him, and threw bricks and stones at him. Batteries were placed in Bulger's mouth. Police believed some batteries may have been inserted into his anus, although none were found there. Finally, a 22-pound (10.0 kg) iron bar, described in court as a railway fishplate, was dropped on him. Bulger suffered ten skull fractures as a result of the iron bar striking his head. Dr. Alan Williams, the case's pathologist, stated that Bulger suffered so many injuries — 42 in total — that none could be isolated as the fatal blow. Before they left him, the boys laid Bulger across the railway tracks and weighted his head down with rubble, in the hope that a train would hit him and make his death appear to be an accident.
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We love you The Chosen One-----all capitals
ReplyDeleteThat's awesome! I love me too!
Delete*rolleyes*
DeleteWhat differentiates the psychopaths violence from the violence of the petty thug, is the psychopaths violence is not born from hate or discrimination, but rather a natural and primal urge to dominate and kill. It's not personal.
ReplyDelete"a natural and primal urge to dominate and kill"
DeleteI disagree. Domination and murder is a learned phenomena, not a natural one.
"Sympathy is the strongest instinct in human nature."
-Charles Darwin
Yes, when born with empaty & sympathy and a normal brain.
DeleteRight, but you claimed that dominance and murder was a natural human urge. When in fact, Darwin discovered that cooperation, love, and empathy were more natural than any other instinct.
DeleteCooperation, not dominance, is the single primary reason why every species (including humans) have survived thus far. According to Darwin, anyway.
I didnt claim anything. You are mixing up your Anon's.
DeleteBut, how does it feel to be wrong anyway ?
DeleteBizy, the psychopathic mind is far from "natural". Darwin was not studying the psychopathic mind. The study has been around for 100 years. Darwin DIED before. Fuck dude, go you have google ? Or do you just like posting crap because it sounds good to you?
DeleteI was simply addressing the quote from Anon @ 6:43.
DeleteThe claim was that dominance and murder was a natural human urge. Here, I'll post it again, since scrolling up seems to be a bit of a challenge for some:
"a natural and primal urge to dominate and kill"
I was only disagreeing with this statement, nothing more. I was basing my opinion on the writings of Darwin in his book "The Descent of Man."
I was not referring to the sociopathic mind, just as the previous commenter was not referring to the sociopathic mind. Anon was instead making generalizations about humans. I simply disagreed.
I'm curious why my rather benign disagreement ignites such hostility in you. I enjoy a lively discussion. But insults indicate a level of unintelligence that I get bored with very quickly.
And yes, I am well aware that the sociopathic mind is more of an anomaly, rather than the norm. Sociopathy, too, serves a proper place in the scheme of Darwinian theories. But that is another topic altogether...
You simple minded idealistic junkie fuck. What is stopping your pathetic mind from comprehending that fact, that there are predators of mankind, just as there are predators in all other species. Some children are born violent and there are many violent psychopaths who have not been abused. Violence is not the outcome of abuse, it is a tool of manipulation. Your rosy view of the world is delusional. Is that why you numbed yourself with crack, smack, whatever it was? Because you cannot handle pure raw reality.
DeleteI am well aware that there are predators in human nature, as well as other species.
DeleteI never disputed this.
Dominance and murder is not what has been the trait that has perpetuated the species. It has been cooperation. Again, according to Darwin.
Though, I will disagree that children are born violent. I've been clear about this in other posts.
But either way, it seems we are more in agreement than disagreement that predators do exist. It's just not the norm, and it certainly does not contribute to the perpetuation of the species.
Love to discuss back and forth with you, however I don't speak to filthy crack fiends. I'm above your type.
DeleteTypical empath. Complete inability to see any badness in children. ALL KIDZ SO SWEET N INNOCANT !
DeleteI concede. Only if it makes you smile. The fact that you even engaged with me at all, lets us both know even you don't believe in your own "bad-ass" facade.
DeleteGood day.
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BERPPP! Argument invalid. You were taking crack. That automatically makes me better than you.
DeleteAnon @ 12:52
DeleteHaving a child from a possible sociopath, I've done extensive research on the subject. Kids are born with predispositions, but even a predisposed sociopathic child can be nurtured into a high functioning one, who can use his skills to contribute to society. A doctor, firefighter, etc. Not every sociopath is evil and violent. And the research certainly shows that babies are not born evil.
Anon @ 12:59
DeleteAt yet you keep responding to me. I'm flattered.
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DeleteShow me this research, because I have far more studies to prove you're wrong. High functioning was a label created on SW, which means it has zero legitimacy. Your idea of a high functioning sociopath would score far to low to be considered a sociopath.
Delete"At yet you keep responding to me. I'm flattered."
DeleteWell I can't slap you, can I?
Sure. Just hold on a sec...
DeleteI posted all the research in a prior post. But I'll be happy to find the links again, and repost.
And yes, "high functioning" is a term I learned from this site. It wasn't any term I found in research.
Perhaps you can also post your findings, as well. I would be interested to know what studies you have found on the subject. Especially given my own concern for my daughter's possible predisposition.
Thanks. I'll post the links in a bit...
Anon @ 1:06
DeleteI actually laughed out loud. You're a bit snarky. I like that.
You're the one under pressure. I'm using the conventional idea of a psychopath. You're the person coming up with new definitions. I could simply link you to the PCL-R to prove my point, as it shows that it is impossible to score 30 or above on the checklist and still be as you call "high functioning" All psychopaths are evil, if you judge by the dictionaries view of evil. The trait callous lack of empathy constitutes this.
DeleteRight, but you are arguing that children can be sociopaths. When the checklist, as well as the DSM is very clear about not diagnosing sociopathy before the age of 18.
DeleteAlso, you didn't state that you were using "conventional ideas" - you referenced studies that could prove my opinions and theories wrong. I was asking to see which studies, since you asked to see which studies I was referring to.
I'm under no pressure. You asked. I responded.
I'm arguing that the term high functioning sociopath is invalid. Adult psychopaths would have had oppositional defiant disorder and conduct disorder, as children.
Delete"you referenced studies that could prove my opinions and theories wrong"
Here is the only way to determine if a person is a psychopath. As I've already stated, a high functioning sociopath could NEVER score over thirty on the PCL-R, there is no hope.
Or anywhere near 30.
DeleteI'm a little familiar with the Hare Checklist.
DeleteI may be inclined to agree with you at a certain level. Certainly, if you score higher on this checklist, the more aggressive, violent, and criminal the sociopath tends to be.
But those who've learned to keep impulse control in check, violent tendencies will possibly score lower, and fall under the radar.
You can't tell me that there haven't been sociopathic presidents, CEO's, doctors, bomb detonators, pilots, etc. who are not sociopathic.
Sociopathy is measured on a gradient scale.
Those who score lower may have just learned to function better...and some will possibly not be detected as a sociopath.
So, are you maintaining that every single sociopath is a detriment? Just curious to know your insight.
lizy, it's truly funny watching you cling to delusions as anon debunks you. it takes an exceptional persuader to sell theories with no basis or merit and that you are not.
Delete"You can't tell me that there haven't been sociopathic presidents, CEO's, doctors, bomb detonators, pilots, etc. who are not sociopathic."
DeleteThere are a few, but look at the widespread devastation they cause. They vent their rage with wars, mass robbery, conquering territory and genocide. A quote states, serial killers ruin families, but political and business psychopaths ruin societies. How do we know Obama isn't abusing friends, family and subordinates once the cameras aren't rolling? Maybe the smiley attention whoring Obama we all see is just his mask of sanity?
Creditdue,
DeleteI'm not clinging to anything.
I've only maintained my opinion that children are not and can not be sociopaths or "evil." All children, by their definition, are sociopathic.
Most modes of diagnosing sociopathy prohibit diagnosis before the age of 18. And for good reason.
As far as the term "high functioning" - I'm flexible in the regard. I don't "cling" to anything in that regard. In other words, I am open to other explanations for the personality who seems sociopathic, but is also maintaining a level of social success when compared to the his criminal counterparts.
I'll ask again - in the interest of clarity and illumination - is every sociopath "evil" and a detriment? I'm not committed to any particular answer, I just want some insight...
"evil" is not real, its man made. Moron
DeleteYou don't get into extremely powerful positions by being saintly. The world has a way of breaking down and swallowing good people.
DeleteHumans are all a detriment you stupid fool, do you watch the news ? Do you see all the crime going on? Are ALL the people doing crime.....sociopaths or psychopaths ? Some don't get caught, some do. Some are dumb, some are smart. Do we have to dumb it down for you any more ? You are complicating a non complicated issue. Fuck are you dumb.
DeleteAnon @ 2:13
DeleteOkay...yes, I see what you are saying.
I am inclined to agree with you that in most cases, sociopaths in power are destructive.
But I do hold on to the idea that children who are predisposed towards sociopathy can be conditioned to live constructive lives. This, based on the research of Dr. Dietz and others.
Also hold onto the belief that you are most likely wrong.
Deletebizy, why are you desperate to find some good in psychopaths? i imagine you're a very idealistic (delusional) human being.
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DeleteYes, that's exactly why I put the word "evil" in quotes. I am fully aware it is a man made construct.
Bizy, you should tell my parents that they didn't throw enough money or time at me growing up. Being from a rich loving and caring family didn't seem to "fix" me. I think it had to do with the lack of activity in the brain where there should be some. Weird huh ?
DeleteBizyLizy want a cracker ?:
DeleteAccording to Darwin, you are incorrect.
We didn't survive as a species because we hate each other and bludgeon each other to death. All that are traits that range in the 1% - 5%.
According to Darwin, we survived because of compassion and cooperation.
As far as violence on t.v.? Eh, that's all hyped up media. It happens, yes, but again, it falls into a very small minority of human conditions.
accept that there are children born with empathy and those born without it. some people are predatory, others stupid. when you can throw away your idealism, you begin to see the world how it really is, but by that time you'll most likely be cracked out on some bench.
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DeleteI'm not desperate to find goodness in sociopaths.
I do have a child whose father may be one.
I guess I don't see things in "black and white" and "all or nothing" thinking.
We didn't survive as a species because we hate each other and bludgeon each other to death...
DeleteYes actually we did, strongest one wins, and gets to spread his seed, while the other lays there and bleeds.
Anon @ 2:43,
Delete"accept that there are children born with empathy and those born without it."
Actually, you are incorrect. Children are born with zero empathy. None. Zilch.
Infants are born the most sociopathic, self-indulged, self-absorbed of all creatures. Empathy is learned (rewarded by the dopamine and pleasure centers in the brain), and take about 7 to 9 years to fully develop.
Anon @ 2:44 pm
DeleteLol, no...you are so very incorrect. Please read Darwin's "Descent of Man." Please. You're embarrassing yourself.
We survived by people loving each other, having sex, and cooperating as a group. People would have died off very, very quickly if everyone was only out for number one.
Yes, there is violence and people who defy the social norms of cooperation. But they fall into the minority. Inform yourself.
bizy, how can you explain the psychopaths "vacant eyes"? psychopaths are born with what some call lifeless eyes. this clearly constitutes that psychopaths are born differently and there is something going on from the time of birth. eyes do not change due to environmental factors.
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DeleteI'm not sure if it is as simple as providing a child with money, a loving home, etc.
If born with a predisposition towards sociopathy, then the parent needs to be more hypersensitive to certain things. Discipline, for example. A predisposed child towards sociopathy would not respond to guilt-induced methods of discipline.
You have to become the impartial judge, and let the child learn through natural consequences as much as possible.
But there are so many factors that go into parenting, that to say you had a "loving home" and you still became a nonfunctioning sociopath is too simple.
You may not have bonded adequately during your vulnerable infant period, you may have been emotionally engaged too much. I don't know.
And then, yes, perhaps there are cases when nothing could have saved the child.
This beautifully sums up how bizy and other uber empaths view psychopaths.
Delete"I will die for these animals, I will die for these animals, I will die for these animals . . ." Legendary filmmaker Werner Herzog returns to his favorite theme, obsession, as he traces the story of Timothy Treadwell, an amateur naturalist who spent 13 summers among wild brown bears at Katmai National Park in Alaska. Treadwell and his girlfriend were tragically killed by one of the bears during the fall of 2003. This is an extraordinary and haunting documentary full of astounding footage and some great introspective narration. Sample Dialogue: "And what haunts me, is that in all the faces of all the bears that Treadwell ever filmed, I discover no kinship, no understanding, no mercy. I see only the overwhelming indifference of nature. To me, there is no such thing as a secret world of the bears. And this blank stare speaks only of a half-bored interest in food. But for Timothy Treadwell, this bear was a friend, a savior."
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DeleteThe vacant eyes?
Every sociopath is different. If "vacant eyes" was the singular sociopathic trait that could give them away, then we could all save ourselves.
It's silly to think that all sociopaths have "vacant eyes." And honestly, empty, vacant eyes are more indicative of autism of some sort.
All sociopaths are different. Sure, some might have vacant eyes. Others might have a charming, delightful personality, while others may have a devilish smile.
And what haunts me, is that in all the faces of all the socios that BizyLizy ever defended, I discover no kinship, no understanding, no mercy. I see only the overwhelming indifference of nature. To me, there is no such thing as a secret world of the socios. And this blank stare speaks only of a half-bored interest in food. But for BizyLizy, this socio was a friend, a savior. What a delusional bastard she was, but may she rest in peace.
DeleteAnon @ 2:58,
DeleteI saw that documentary. I thought is was absolutely insane. To go out and live with bears?? The guy was a nut.
Bears get hungry. Bears are strong. The bear had the Treadwell for dinner. I was actually surprised that the bears didn't eat him sooner.
But did you notice, the bears survive by cooperating with each other? Overall they are a peaceful bunch, unless someone gets hungry...then they eat.
Anon @ 3:02
DeleteWow.
Nope. I am not a defender of sociopaths.
I simply see the spectrum, that's all. I simply started this conversation by stating that it was Darwin who discovered and wrote about Cooperation and sympathy being the strongest human instinct.
So, on that note, why don't you go argue with Darwin? He said it, not me.
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Ugh, unfounded pessimism is just as irritating as unfounded idealism, if not more so. Overly idealistic people are annoyingly delusional, overly pessimistic people seem to think that they're the only original thinkers in the world and feel the need to constantly remind others about this. (They probably use the word 'sheeple' a lot, too.) The world isn't all black or all white; there's a billion shades of grey in between and 99% of the time, whether something is good or evil changes with your perspective. Of course it's hard to see that when your head is up your ass.
DeleteSo can sociopaths be 'good'? Sure, why not! They are free to make that choice, same as anyone. Don't we all have desires to do evil? If we were all predisposed toward good, wouldn't that devalue our good actions and choices? A sociopath deciding not to harm someone means a lot more than an empath deciding not to harm someone. Their choice is more unnatural, and therefore meaningful. On the other side of the coin, a empath harming someone is much worse than a sociopath harming someone, in my eyes. The empath would actively have to ignore their victim's pain and the tuggings of their conscience while a sociopath would be detached from their victim's suffering. (This doesn't mean I always feel that way. I'm better able to sympathize with and forgive crimes of passion than a detached murder, even if the crimes themselves are the same. I admit, I have a little bias against sociopaths that I'm trying to quash.)
Marilyn Manson fans use the word "sheeple"
DeleteM.E, psychopaths generally do not do good, simply because there is no underlying desire to do good. Would you play a sport regularly that you do not enjoy and have no interest in? Very unlikely.
DeleteAnonymous @ 05:32 PM,
DeleteVery well said.
@Anon 7:43
DeleteIt goes both ways. There's no underlying desire to do good or bad. There's just wants.
Haha, were you talking to me, Anon 7:43? I'm not M.E., I'm a bleeding heart empath. :)
DeleteJust because there's no desire to do something doesn't mean there is no motivation. If I only did the things I wanted to do, I'd be a fat, motionless human blob that plays video games all day. But since I want to be healthy and live a long, active life, I eat foods that I don't particularly like, I engage in activities that I don't enjoy, and I cut back on the things I enjoy that are harmful in excess. I think any self-aware sociopath knows the social benefits of living a fairly 'moral' lifestyle. Their motivation might be selfish, but honestly, truly selfless actions are extremely rare. I admit that part of my motivation for doing something kind to someone who can't return the favor is that 'warm and fuzzy' feeling it gives me. People can't help being a little bit selfish; it's human nature.
FINALLY a name! I heard this score in a movie, and I could not find this anywhere. Thank sociopath world!
ReplyDeleteHaw Haw okay then.
Deletei remember the bulger killers. I find it all so sick/warped.
ReplyDeleteI just like to go fishing, and fuck a little pussy.
DeleteChildren phases the endeavor. Children scans an only message past our strict reminder. A metal lurks throughout the bulletin. Children screens the stranger. The dance befriends psychopaths.
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ReplyDeletethis place is dead
ReplyDeleteAs the saying goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
DeleteFor those lovelies like Raven who miss Monica Moo, I don't want to disappoint you. I study ME's articles in my quest to re-clain my self.
ReplyDeleteThe sociopath has a flexible self which seems very much like water, which is pictured in ME's article on the flexible self. The empath has a self which could be likened to an ice berg. The empath's self has more form and substance. If there has been an assault to the self, the person becomes more water-like, as happened to me.
His public examines the noun around the questioning refund. Should Haven flash? When will Haven capture Monica? Why won't Monica leak into the ego? His subroutine screws Haven below the zone. Above the president fudges the moon.
DeleteWater is a bit too tangible.
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Hey!!! You forgot to put FUCK YOU in front of my name!
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Nice attempt to cover yourself, you posted your name by mistake.
DeleteAnon, if I wanted to tell a bunch of people to frack off, I would do so unabashedly, as myself. I just checked in to see if anyone claimed the credit.:D
DeleteAlso, I would not post a crappy, incomplete bit of ascii art. The entire knuckle row is missing! I have standards, ya know ;)
DeleteFor all your skeptics. I am going to tell you something that will happen, but has not, yet. That way, all your smarties cannot argue that people made it up, afterwards.
ReplyDeleteDamascus will be destroyed. It will be leveled. Everything the Bible says, everything, will come to pass, Friends.
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ReplyDeleteI totally agree man.
Delete"goddidit"
DeleteIf I tell you before, how are you gonna get out of it?
ReplyDeleteDamascus is the oldest inhabited city in the world, and will not be destroyed. It's been through more shit than you can imagine and is an awesome place. :( :) Stupid Bible.
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I know you are Muslim, notme. EVERY prophecy in the Bible comes true, every single one.
ReplyDeletelol im so not muslim. hahaha. I'm a realist.
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I don’t get why a source as outdated as Darwin and the Descent of Man is quoted here like the ultimate frontier of truth.
ReplyDeleteSociopaths are no more of an anomaly to human life than spotted hyenas are to the African ecosystem. They are a natural part of life. An ugly one, but natural nonetheless.
Claiming that compassion and cooperation are more rightfully human than the urge for dominance and destruction is denying a very obvious part of human nature. Just take a look at the most successful examples of cooperation in carnage, such as the war-machine of Christianity throughout history and across continents.
Human nature is made of opposites. The one arises from the other and each one is meaningless without the other. Cooperation and compassion make sense to those who feel it only because they can also intuit an inner state of desolation and barenness.
It’s just that the inner world of the sociopath usually epitomises the one extreme. And it is that extreme one-sidedness that feels so alien, or ‘evil’ rather than the actual capacity for destruction.
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That makes total sense to me, Yellow. That is why a sociopath and an empath can bring a unique perspective to one another, unlike an empath with an empath or a sociopath with a sociopath.
Deletelike what monica? give me an example of how the relationship between a sociopath and an empath would be so unique and beneficial.
DeleteYou're a silly girl with a silly infatuation.
DeleteYellow, I think you missed my point.
DeleteI didn't quote Darwin as the ultimate frontier of truth. Though his theories are still the most widely accepted by science to this day.
But I certainly don't discount other theories of human nature.
What my point was that within a specific specie, there has to be overall cooperation in order to survive and thrive. Anomalies are simply characteristics of a select few that deviate from the norm of the specie as a whole. These anomalies have their place in ensuring the specie thrive. They can sharpen our defenses, keep us alert.
Hyenas as a specie are also very cooperative within their pact. Are they cooperative with the African ecosystem? I would venture to say yes, they are. Hyenas do hunt and kill and scavenge, but they only take what they need, and no more. They don't dictate a gazelle genocide. They only kill when they are hungry, and among themselves they cooperate for the ultimate survival of their specie.
This is all I meant by referring to Darwin.
I don't claim that compassion and cooperation are more rightly human than dominance and destruction. This is where you missed my point.
Obviously dominance and destruction is part of human nature. But...my point here is only that is was never the driving force behind the survival of the species. It is a dark side, yes. But it is cooperative behavior that has propelled each and every specie forward into surviving and thriving.
From ants to penguins to lions and monkeys....cooperation and working together. This, I would be so bold as to say, is the elixir of life.
But again, Darwinism is only theory, albeit a much respected one. But theories are always open to speculation and improvement.
"From ants to penguins to lions and monkeys....cooperation and working together. This, I would be so bold as to say, is the elixir of life."
DeleteThis is essentially why it is named antisocial personality disorder because sociopaths have no benefit toward society. In other words, sociopaths are useless and damaging to society.
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DeleteGreat observation. Though some would argue that sociopaths serve as a way to keep the rest of society vigilant and prepared for life-threatening situations. Arguably, without them, we may become too relaxed and despondent. From an evolutionary standpoint. From an ethical or moral perception, I can see how many people with ASPD are detrimental.
Which leads me to my ongoing question. ASPD is a personality disorder with sociopathy as one of the criterion. Do you think there is such a thing as a functioning sociopath (without the ASPD disorder) who can contribute to society.
Again, just a question. Because honestly, I don't know. I tend to think that there are functioning sociopaths who have learned that contributing to society ultimately benefits themselves. Of course, they don't arrive to this conclusion by any internal moral or empathetic compass. I would think that they arrived to this conclusion through analyzing that abiding by social rules saves their own ass.
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OK, I will take the challenge, even though I will have Raven et al coming at me like a dragon spitting fire.
ReplyDeleteI have a sociopath g/f. She wants to show someone her face, as she is lying to everyone in her life. I want someone to listen to things that most empaths cannot handle such as incest. I have yet found an empath who can bear to listen, shrink or non shrink. She talks to me about how it is to be a socipath. She tells me her struggles. She is simply a gift to me. I expect nothing except respect and honesty. She gives me that and I do the same. However, it is the difference in perspectives that makes it unique, as there are things a sociopath can do much more proficiently than an empath and vice -versa.
That is my story.
you weren't very specific and ive heard that story before. you say the same thing repeatedly. give me a more specific example of what they give each other without your girlfriend story. what can sociopaths do more proficiently?
DeleteOk, what do sociopaths give you? A look at the inside of man, the dark side. I am afraid to look.
ReplyDeleteand that is beneficial to you because?
DeleteThe sociopath is comfortable in the realm of primal emotions. He is not afraid of what terrifies me. What is natural for him is foreign to me. The primal self is more than sexuality. It is all our passions and impulses. I jettisoned those when I was molested at age 5.
ReplyDeletewhy do you have a hard time giving a direct answer? i asked you how it benefits you to see the dark side of man and all you tell me is that you are afraid of things the sociopath is not. that tells me nothing. are you still afraid? are you trying to be more like a sociopath? less like? and tell me how does a sociopath benefit from an emapth such as yourself?
DeleteOk, I will try to be flat out direct. I am scared to death of my anger, my sexuality, my passion. The sociopath shows me that these are NATURAL parts of the human being. I talk to her about my passions. She helps me see that I will not be hurt or attacked if I am a primal person and not a walking head. I was molested when I had primal passions. I think they got me molested, even though I know, in my head they didn't. In my body, I think they did.
ReplyDeleteFor her, she has to lie to everyone about her experience as a sociopath. She is starting to tell me what she experiences day to day as she navigates her world which is made up of empaths, like me.
She is a bridge to my own passions, which is a PART of my human nature. I am an empath who can help her make some sort of a bridge in the world in which she lives which is populated with empaths, to whom she must wear a mask.
One cannot describe every aspect of it, as there are things which slip under the radar, as far as that they have no words to express them.
Do you have more understanding, now?
not really. i want to know why you are incapable of learning these things on your own? from yourself and your personal life experience? the other thing i want to know is where you met this self-proclaimed sociopath? do you work together or met each other in school? are you related to her? i hope you aren't going to tell me you met her online. so many people lie about who they are online and there's no way for you to tell for sure.
DeleteEmpaths can't seem to deal with the kind of things I went through without trying to push it away and hence, not allow me to grieve it. I need someone to hear me for me to let it go. I don't know why I never could get rid of it until, now. Where and how I met her, I do not want to say.
ReplyDeletewhy don't you want to say? because i scoffed at the idea that you met a genuine sociopath online that wants to help you grieve? i don't personally believe a sociopath would care to listen to your sad stories. personally i think you are more likely to meet one online while being scammed. you claim you know for a fact that empaths can't deal with your story do you? why is that? do you believe you story is different than anyone else? if the empath is more likely to be the victim, and the sociopath more likely to be the one to victimize, then which of those 2 are more likely to be able to relate to the victim? i think it would be the empath don't you? or are you one of those people who rejects your own kind because they are not unique enough?
ReplyDeleteI am not dodging the question. Let me get back to you, tomorrow, when I am not as tired. It is bedtime here :)
ReplyDeletewhen you will repeat the same thing again? i want to hear a different story from you. don't you have anything else going on in your life besides grief? why is grief so important to you?
ReplyDeleteLOL why is grief so important? Because I can't outrun it. So, I stopped and faced it.
ReplyDeletewhy are you running away from me? you don't know how to answer my questions? i just want to understand where you are coming from. is that so hard for you? what can you give me that is a new perspective empath? what? so far you only give me details of how you want to talk about yourself all day to someone who won't tell you to shut up and get a life, no?
ReplyDeleteyou couldn't face grief without the help of someone else? how is it you are able to offer a new perspective to the sociopath when you can't learn your own lessons and grieve without an audience?
ReplyDeleteI don't want to give you pat answers. That is not running away. I don't want to give you cheap answers.
ReplyDeleteso just give me one answer. do you really think a sociopath can relate to your stories of being a victim? is that a hard question?
DeleteI needed someone to help me bear my grief. Yes, I did. Does that make me weak, to you?
ReplyDeletei see empaths helping each other with grief all the time. isn't that the essence of being empathic? being able to understand the pain of others and show compassion for the grieving? grieving with them? isn't that how it's supposed to work?
Deletesomeone without empathy will not be able to help you grieve. sociopaths can't understand your grief or care about it.
No, I don't think a sociopath can "relate" per se. However, she can be listen. That is as close to love as you are going to get sometimes, Friend.
ReplyDeleteProbably borderline. Psychopaths are terrible listeners. They wait for you to shut up so they can begin to express their superior opinion.
Deletepersonally i don't think a sociopath would listen to you for long friend. they are self absorbed and as Yellow pointed out, very one sided. no real sociopath is going to want to hear you carrying on about yourself over time unless they get some kind of gratification. i don't think you know what a sociopath is. do you really know she is one for sure? i don't think she is.
DeleteReally bad abuse makes the empath turn away. It is too much for them. The socipath may not 'care" but that may be the strength of it. The sociopath can let you let it go, to another human. Do you understand, at all?
ReplyDeleteno i still don't understand you. you make it sound like all empaths deal with or don't deal with everything the same. you are an empath right? does that mean you will not be able to listen to someone else tell their story of molestation and abuse? i bet you're now going to turn it around and say that you are the only empath who is willing to listen, yes? you think you are a special kind of empath?
DeleteI think the ONLY empath who can listen is one who has faced his own darkness and so does not need to push away the darkness in others. I think this is very, very rare, practically nonexistent.
ReplyDeletewhat makes you the expert on empaths? where do you get your measurements from? i want to see the statistics on these claims you make about empaths an how rare it is for them to deal with the deep stress of others. you still haven't told me how you know this girlfriend is a sociopath. let me guess, she just told you right? and you just believe her because she said so right? people who are experts don't just believe people just because they said so.
ReplyDeleteI did not originate this. It is from Dr. Alice Miller and "The Drama of the Gifted Child". I am only saying what I have studied from her and believe to be true, from my experience.
ReplyDeletewell i haven't read that nor do i care to. so why don't you just tell me in your own words, or quote from this doctors book where it says that empaths can't deal with other people's abuse issues when they are really bad. i want quotes and then i want the facts that back this claim up from other studies and other doctors. can you tell me where it says in this book that sociopaths are the ony ones who can help with grief? where does it say that a sociopath can help to heal you?
DeleteUse the threaded replies Monica et. al. They were practically created for you. Fuck.
ReplyDeleteps What the fuck is darkness?
Darkness is the "evil" side of all men
DeleteShe was born without empathy, my girlfriend. She did not know her father, but thinks he was a sociopath. I have tried to pull together resources such as Dr Alice Miller and Janov. These concepts are ones that others have researched. They make sense to my gut, but I did not originate them. Alice Miller has a website in which she explains the concept of the Enlightened Witness, which is what I am saying, in layman's terms.
ReplyDeleteyou are still dancing around my questions. quote her where she says a sociopath is this witness. how does your girlfriend know she was born without empathy and if she never knew her father then how could she think he was anything other than gone? why do you believe her? how does this book you speak of tie in to your figures of sociopaths and empaths? does it have anything to do with them at all? why are you so vague in all your replies to me?
DeleteNo one "said" a sociopath would be able to help me. I found this out, myself. I have yet to find an empath who could help. They can't deal with these things, even though they say they can. I have not found one who can, anyway. Talk is cheap.
ReplyDeleteTry the internet. You'll find countless in no time. Selecting targets for things like that has never been easier.
Deleteyou say talk is cheap yet you take this self-proclaimed sociopath at her word?
Deletesociopaths are all about what they can get from you not what you can get from them. that's how it works and there is real scientific evidence to back this claim up. so what is it you give this supposed sociopath that she needs so much she is willing to suffer you talking her ear off about yourself?
DeleteVague LOL I am trying to be direct. You are a formidable conversationalist. I need to be up to you, or at least, somewhere in the general vicinity. So, I will say "Good Night" before you have me looped all around the tree in an endless knot.
ReplyDeleteI am not done, if you are not :) :)
What if you found out your girlfriend is not really a sociopath, Monica.
ReplyDeleteWould that nullify your entire experience?
No, it would be immaterial. You are missing the entire point of the Enlightened Witness.
ReplyDeleteyou didn't make a point about the enlightened witness. so why don't you start there.
DeleteIsn't the entire concept of Miller's witness a person who observes what is going on and acts as a pillar of some kind during development? Wouldn't that sort of invalidate the concept if applied to adulthood, long after abuse?
DeleteInstead of playing therapist with your girlfriend, try going to one.
DeleteI don't think it's so immaterial at all in your case, Monica. You seem very attached to labels, preconceptions, and sorting people. You cannot function without them, it seems.
DeleteWhat a horrid misuse of Alice Miller as well.
Did your girlfriend tell you to read it?
I have been studying Alice Miller, for years. This is where I differ from many "authorities". I think healing is simple, as a flower will thrive in sunlight and with simple nutrients. To heal, a person needs another person to care and to listen. Actually, Carl Rogers even said that lol
Deletegood god Monica, shut up. You are an embaressement to all of us. You are embaressing. And I hope to good god a troll. Pretty much everything you say is drenched in utter patheticness. Even I have no sympathy for you. Just go away. I'm serious. Go away. And please, reply to this in a manner that isn't pathetic ot sycophantic and I may just respond. If you don't respond, I'll know for sure you are a troll.
ReplyDeleteI found the young girl, Mary Bell intriguing. Most pre-teen budding serial killers don't start to stalk or kill people until their mid teens to early twenties. She even left a signature and took trophies. I imagine she started on animals at a young age. From the genital mutilation, it sounds like she may have had sexual situations with someone to view them as something significant.
ReplyDeleteMost of the rest seemed like standard homicides/spree killings. She's the only one that screamed psychopath to me. The rest, you never know.
oh tnp, please...most of them are psychopaths. The one I was most angry about though was the one involving the adult pedophile...It made it worse...that an adult was involved...
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DeleteI knew about most of them ahead of time. I agree on Mary Bell. The guy who hid the body under his bed strikes me as a bit off as well.
DeleteIf you actually read about Mary Bell it gets a whole lot more interesting than the snippet in the video. You are entirely correct in your perception of her.
I didn't read up, or hear of any of those cases before. I essentially live under a rock when it comes to the news. September 11 and the ramp up to invade Iraq were the last two fiascoes I paid attention to. It's been that long.
DeleteI also don't like armchair diagnosing people as sociopaths/psychopaths/narcissists unless there's damn good proof. Maybe there is, I just haven't seen it. Mary Bell on the other hand, that's all I needed to know.
I'm bad at the news as well. I forgot how I heard about Mary Bell. Quite a few were new, but quite a few weren't that new. The ones from the 90s or earlier I knew about. Bell was from the 60s or 70s (I forget.) There were a few I hadn't heard, but I agree that they were probably isolated incidents.
DeleteThe kid who dragged the girl back to his house and brutally murdered while having the gal to hide her bloody corpse under his bed was definitely a whack job, and probably legitimately mental, but a psychopath? I doubt it. They aren't the only violent offenders on the crazy train, and that was so incredibly amateur. Then again, I'll give him props for unintentional humor, keeping the corpse of his dead lady friend with his stash of pornography. That was worth a good chuckle.
DeleteI have a really hard time giving a shit about anything on the news, even if it's something local and interesting. I live in my own little world where I prioritize everything based on enjoyment factor.
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DeleteI wasn't implying psychopath. Just that it was interesting.
DeleteI also tend to avoid the news. I pick up on some news from forums I frequent. Occasionally something like the Casey Anthony case will annoy me on facebook. The reactions most people have to things like that are very grating. I almost responded with "it was her kid, it's not your business what she does with it" or "Babies take two years tops to remake and it was her baby" to someone who would not shut up about it on facebook. I held back because the consequences of posting something like that on my actual facebook account weren't worth it. I also don't actually believe what I wrote in quotes, but it's a less annoying and more amusing position than not shutting up about how A BABY KILLER GOES FREE!!! 24/7.
I really do not understand the emotions most people go through when they read something they dub horrible in the news. I can predict them. I just don't understand the psychological process at all. It's always when the person is arrested too, when it stops mattering. If it's someone who isn't caught I can chalk it up to fear or something, but once they are caught? I don't get it.
Also, the Casey Anthony case is interesting because she was guilty and did get off without legal consequences. It's worth reading an objective view of at least once. I didn't follow it while it was happening, because you get bombarded with dumb stuff. Write ups on things like that after the fact are usually decent.
I tend to lack enjoyment in general TNP. So I'm jealous of your ability to prioritize based on something I find harder and harder to get as time goes on.
DeleteIt's the little things in life that turn your day right side up. A good breakfast, a peaceful walk, people watching, some indulgent schadenfreude, buying yourself a present, et cetera. Like the guy from Zombieland and his Twinkie obsession. It really is the little things adding up that help keep you positive. One important event just doesn't have the endurance to affect me if it does at all in any long-standing way. I'm all about th short-term pleasures. I've never assumed a future, and with cancer now, I'd say I'm glad that's how I'm wired. A guy my age, unmarried with no kids or house to own would have officially failed the American Dream ;)
DeleteI feel amusement easily while doing most anything, but it goes away as quickly as it comes. If something makes me happy it's only for however long that something lasts. Rarely more. I've had a relationship break that, and I've had anticipating something break that for maybe a day tops.
DeleteI don't really associate emotions, or pleasure, with activities or people which is probably why I prioritize differently. I'm constantly looking for more, and it seems fleeting.
TNP wise words Sweetheart
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