“Always try to associate yourself with and learn as much as you can from those who know more than you do, who do better than you, who see more clearly than you.”
Finally, a post worth reading,and I'm most agreeable to.
Finding people one can learn from is not an easy task.
I prefer to be by myself.I like a good mind game, but I will only engage if I think it might lead me to a secret, repressed place within myself.
The fact is, I find it childs' play to engage others, but quite difficult 'to engage' myself with others.It's almost like my 'people pool' is very very small.
I think I figured out a simple way to see your level of empathy from normal, low to none.
You have to have a relationship with a person, a family or friend. You can't hate the person, obviously. The person can't have betrayed you, obviously.
When there comes a time in the relationship that the person is upset and cries, what do you feel?
If you are upset,too, you are normal.
If you are slightly upset, you have low empathy
If you feel nothing, you have no empathy.
Mal Narcs will stop abuse when the person cries. Sociopaths will have no stopping mechanism, showing there is no reaction to the person's distress. This is no empathy imo
Why is it obvious that you can't have betrayed them? Or they you? Do empathetic people not consistantly let down or betray their lovers out of selfishness and later ask for forgiveness? Why do they make so many movies about it, if not?
And perhaps if your trying to find a method you should use a scientific approach and not make ignorant assumptions like not having betrayal in your history.
And its a simple, pointless, point anyways. Why did you even type it? I didn't miss the point, I couldn't if I tried.
I don't find this true. When someone cries because of me I do get a 'ding' in my chest like "Hey, something's happening. :)" Does that make me normal? I don't think so.
I am talking about empathy. Empathy is an important subject, especially if one has children( or wants to have them) as the parent must be able to pick up what the child is feeling, or it will be very bad for the child.
My post is about empathy, for those who missed it.
Kany you are dumb. When someone betrays you, it's rare to have trust for them, use for them, or a desire to be empathic. Monica is trying to start small with feeling empathy. Let her finish.
Someone you are in a relationship with will betray you in some way. People cannot help it. Its how we deal with those betrayals that maintains our relationships.
You're off on a another tangent, Kans. Monica is talking about having empathy for a person that is as innocent as a child. Someone who has a clean slate. She is starting from there.
Monica, I think that before one has empathy for a person, the first thing is that one must notice them. Their attention must be on the other.
No she isn't. She's defining who has empathy, and what levels in such base terms its lost any meaning. Then she talked about application of that base empathy... like a baby. Let her tell me her point. She still believes she has one.
I am talking about two separate things which are related, and you are connecting them in a very weak fashion. You are mixing up the compartments. You need a visual. You need a diagram or something. It's over your head, Kany, and frankly I think you are getting off on it lol. You are a waste of my serious heart time.
And how do we determine if someone is infallible in these areas? We don't. Perhaps, Eisenhower was an intellectual and in that case these words would ring true but most did not see Eisenhower"s core personality.
Mhm, "Always try to associate yourself with and learn as much as you can from those who know more than you do, who do better than you, who see more clearly than you." --My point: Those *words are not period specific. That was all. I'm surprised you actually cared to respond, anon
I think it's a quote abour learning but no, associating with someone and learning from someone does not mean they are an authority to follow. they are to b watched, and you can take a few pearls of wisdom here and there. That's it. You need to "follow" many different people because no one person can know everything.And at some point you may learn the applications of one person's knowledge or clarity doesn't go with who you are.
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ReplyDelete*number that is
DeleteIf anyone still cares, finally I'm certain that I'm a sociopath. Have a nice day! :3
DeleteHow so, Mee?
DeleteOf course we care, Mee - this is a very proud moment for all of us. Our little puppy, all grown up and ready to take on the empaths ...
DeleteWelcome, Mee.
DeleteMee is missing half of brain function then.
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Oh, mee, and I thought wed made such progress by that comment you deleted.
DeleteIt was written in a way it could go both ways. Well I deleted it, because I don't need your *help* on this anymore :)
DeleteYeah, I also remember a thing that said you should put yourself next to dumber, uglier people cause it makes you look better.
ReplyDeleteIf you can stand dumb ugly people, they could never make you look good.
Delete_srM-Kany
DeleteUrrggggg
Do you think talking to Monica makes anyone in here look noble, smart, or empowered?
DeleteOne might ask the same about you. Folks in the audience, judging by the conversation below, how does Kany seem, interacting avec moi ?
Delete^^^ Monica Kudos
DeleteFinally, a post worth reading,and I'm most agreeable to.
ReplyDeleteFinding people one can learn from is not an easy task.
I prefer to be by myself.I like a good mind game, but I will only engage if I think it might lead me to a secret, repressed place within myself.
The fact is, I find it childs' play to engage others, but quite difficult 'to engage' myself with others.It's almost like my 'people pool' is very very small.
Thats why todays post rings true for me.
the game is the supply for me
ReplyDeleteI think I figured out a simple way to see your level of empathy from normal, low to none.
ReplyDeleteYou have to have a relationship with a person, a family or friend. You can't hate the person, obviously. The person can't have betrayed you, obviously.
When there comes a time in the relationship that the person is upset and cries, what do you feel?
If you are upset,too, you are normal.
If you are slightly upset, you have low empathy
If you feel nothing, you have no empathy.
Mal Narcs will stop abuse when the person cries.
Sociopaths will have no stopping mechanism, showing there is no reaction to the person's distress. This is no empathy imo
Why is it obvious that you can't have betrayed them? Or they you? Do empathetic people not consistantly let down or betray their lovers out of selfishness and later ask for forgiveness? Why do they make so many movies about it, if not?
DeleteThat has nothing at all to do with the point, Kany.
DeleteMonica, please don't tell me the points I'm allowed to make.
DeleteYou can make whatever point you want, but if you were talking about my post, you missed the whole point.
DeleteSo how do you heal a PD?
DeleteAnd perhaps if your trying to find a method you should use a scientific approach and not make ignorant assumptions like not having betrayal in your history.
And its a simple, pointless, point anyways. Why did you even type it? I didn't miss the point, I couldn't if I tried.
Kany, do you have the humility to ask what the point was?
DeleteI don't find this true. When someone cries because of me I do get a 'ding' in my chest like "Hey, something's happening. :)" Does that make me normal? I don't think so.
DeleteWell, what do you mean by "Ding"?
DeleteI am talking about empathy. Empathy is an important subject, especially if one has children( or wants to have them) as the parent must be able to pick up what the child is feeling, or it will be very bad for the child.
DeleteMy post is about empathy, for those who missed it.
Kany you are dumb. When someone betrays you, it's rare to have trust for them, use for them, or a desire to be empathic. Monica is trying to start small with feeling empathy. Let her finish.
DeleteOK, Monica. What is your point? Empathy what? Is important, or exists, or doesn't exist?
DeleteSomeone you are in a relationship with will betray you in some way. People cannot help it. Its how we deal with those betrayals that maintains our relationships.
DeleteYou're off on a another tangent, Kans. Monica is talking about having empathy for a person that is as innocent as a child. Someone who has a clean slate. She is starting from there.
DeleteMonica, I think that before one has empathy for a person, the first thing is that one must notice them. Their attention must be on the other.
No she isn't. She's defining who has empathy, and what levels in such base terms its lost any meaning. Then she talked about application of that base empathy... like a baby. Let her tell me her point. She still believes she has one.
DeleteSeriously, Monica... what are you getting at?
I am talking about two separate things which are related, and you are connecting them in a very weak fashion. You are mixing up the compartments. You need a visual. You need a diagram or something. It's over your head, Kany, and frankly I think you are getting off on it lol. You are a waste of my serious heart time.
Deleteha ha ha Great "Monica"
DeleteLol. Right. :-)
DeleteAnd how do we determine if someone is infallible in these
ReplyDeleteareas? We don't. Perhaps, Eisenhower was an intellectual
and in that case these words would ring true but most did
not see Eisenhower"s core personality.
I think his words was for that time period, only.
Basically taking useful information from different people by associating with them isn't period specific.
DeleteYou can say that educating oneself, influence of others and world situations IS period specific.
DeleteMhm, "Always try to associate yourself with and learn as much as you can from those who know more than you do, who do better than you, who see more clearly than you." --My point: Those *words are not period specific. That was all. I'm surprised you actually cared to respond, anon
DeleteThe heroes in my mind are those well rounded individuals who
ReplyDeletegained knowledge from those that came from all walks of life.
"To succeed in life, you need two things: ignorance and confidence."
ReplyDeleteMark Twain
I love this. :-)
Deletehe jaded?
DeleteYou have to be confident to act ignorant or naive in front of brilliant people.
ReplyDeleteThere are very few brilliant people
ReplyDeleteI tend to put others on a pedestal until I knock them off.
DeleteThen maybe you shouldn't put them there in the first place.
DeleteYou are brillianr 8:38 @@@
DeleteShut up Monica. *I* @ 1:56 am the brilliant one of sw.
DeleteOh! I beg your pardon.
DeleteTruth, If you are able to clearly see the areas they do.
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Does anyone know what the 2 quotes in the Twitter are from?
ReplyDeleteRaven said the first one when someone said she was overtly flirtatious.
DeleteWhat about the second?
DeleteThat sounds like TNP.
Deletesounded, that is.
DeleteThis is not a quote about learning, it is about submission to others. "Chose an authority figure to follow" is what it really says
ReplyDeleteI think it's a quote abour learning but no, associating with someone and learning from someone does not mean they are an authority to follow. they are to b watched, and you can take a few pearls of wisdom here and there. That's it. You need to "follow" many different people because no one person can know everything.And at some point you may learn the applications of one person's knowledge or clarity doesn't go with who you are.
DeleteI don't see there is submission in following.
You're right, I re-read it and now I very much see the parasitic nature of the quote, very sociopathic.
DeleteShudup. ..parasitic.. Purlllleease.
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Kudos to this one!
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