This hour long documentary is probably worth watching, particularly for people who are just learning about sociopathy. For the sociopaths, most of it will seem a little over the top, but for some reason that passes as science and journalism when it comes to the dreaded sociopath.
Interesting moments:
27:42 What sociopaths are doing/thinking when they are talking to you.
31:14 Nature vs. nurture -- environment alone isn't enough to create a sociopath, otherwise we'd see more sociopaths in war torn areas, also "intervening" with child sociopaths.
34:40 Biological basis for the condition.
42:40 Treatment.
45:05 Mandatory brain chips and/or "surgical intervention" for sociopaths.
Microchips in the brain is by far the scariest idea I have even heard of to "deal" with the "psychopath problem," and I have heard of a lot of creative ones involving islands, internment camps, or specialized soldiers. My favorite comment:
“we will replace ‘dysfunctional’ brain mechanisms with microchips” what the…!?!?!?!!! no you wont, i’ll quite happily be labelled as psychotic for violently opposing such an idea! ultimate mind control! ill be thankful for some violent psychopaths when the powers that be try that one!!!! The moral authority of these guys is terrifying to say the least it absolves them as ‘normal’ people, my definition of psychopath would include anyone who thinks mind control chips are an acceptable course of action! microchip control for difficult people who dont fit into a society that worships money and rewards the ‘industrial psychopaths’ with untold riches. i wonder if we are all a little bit psychotic and these therapists are the abnormal ones in trying to standardise emotional response to life events- prescribing that any given situation has a ‘proper’ emotionally standard response? the guy who describes the psychopaths abnormality as reading someone else’s faces and tailoring what they say in response- like this is some sort of weird anomaly. pathologically frightened control freaks are what the therapists come across as by their own diagnostic criteria, desperately seeking to reign in the personalities they cannot understand. i’ve watched some scary documentaries by alex jones et al about social control but this one is far more frightening in its implications. eugenics is alive and well, cull the abnormal, praise be to the sheepthinkers.
Oh, look! That Psychopath not only raped little kids, he also wears scary sunglasses and hasn't had his hair cut properly! Damn his soul to the pit!
ReplyDeleteSo typical, the whining about being chipped. Don't you guys wish to live in a Happy New World, where crime exists no more?! Imagine all psychopaths being repaired! According to the documentary, that would halve the crime rates. How could anyone be against that! Consider the lilies! I mean, the little kids! How lovely they are indeed. And they would be safe too, raised by the most caring parents you could image. That's what the Chip can do for you!
And think about the even more important issue of our economy! Due to psychopaths, we experience a recession, so much is clear. Microchip the bunch, and the world will flourish! Yes! I preach you the gospel of the Microchip!
Science stands for nothing, folks. You can be the soft, woolly sheep you always wanted to be, deep down. And we will help you! We will help you be happy, even if you cannot fully appreciate it yet. Because that is what we do. We make people happy.
hahah
DeleteNobody's putting a chip in my brain. And I'd just like to see CEOs and politicians getting microchips. Yeah, right. Start with them...
DeleteI grieve after reading the words & listening to the extraordinary twisting arguments that get so convincingly contorted and purported to discredit any stance against the poor, poor, so utterly misunderstood, sociopaths. My heart just breaks to listen to all of the undeserving, moral, chastising heaped upon all of the innocent, misunderstood, "good" sociopaths. boo hoo. Tissue please?
DeleteYour sarcasm is my doctrine. A gift I wish not to impart upon myself, of course. But will gladly force upon the rest of you.
DeleteThe road to Another Kind of Hell is paved with good intentions.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous,
ReplyDeleteI agree with you. The motto would be 'chip-um and forget-um'.
Zan
I agree with you
ReplyDeleteI knew you would, Zan. The love for our fellow neuro-atypicals is strong in you.
LaBellaFigura
If you guys end up microchipped by the "sheep" it will be your own damn fault.
ReplyDeleteYou can't attack and manipulate society indefinitely, eventually we are going to be sick, scared, and tired of your type, and set out to deal with and to control YOU.
agreed!
Delete"we" versus "they" familiar basic pattern.
Delete"You can't attack and manipulate society indefinitely, eventually we are going to be sick, scared, and tired of your type, and set out to deal with and to control YOU."
DeleteI agree with this statement. Though I am one of the "YOU" this statement is directed towards. I agree with it for a fundamentally different reason then the statements author. I believe if my fellows cannot learn to effective adapt and blend in. Learning to make the most minimal overt impact necessary, then they deserve to be subdued.
Make way for your betters.
Zan, having difficulty recognizing sarcasm I see.
ReplyDeleteHow can you tell, from that short note? Should that alert me to the fact that Zan is one of the "we" versus the "them"?
DeleteHow well do you understand brain imaging? Do you understand the larger context? Do you still think lobotomy should still get the noble price? In hindsight, I mean.
why microchip the sociopaths? wouldn't effort better spent be teaching the empaths to be accountable and self-aware? there can't be predators if there is no prey.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous (?LaBellaFigura),
ReplyDelete"Zan, having difficulty recognizing sarcasm I see."
I just read your initial post for the first time just now. I got it. Just haven't been on the site since my initial post. I take it you were following the sparring action between myself and UK. Am i right? What a night that was. That UK is ruthless! It's really all just an expression of love...lol. UK, if your out there, I send my luv....say hi to the queen!
Zan
"why microchip the sociopaths? wouldn't effort better spent be teaching the empaths to be accountable and self-aware? there can't be predators if there is no prey."
ReplyDeleteYeah - that makes sense! Instead of dealing with the 1% of sick population that suffers with ASPD, let's "teach" 99% of the population (men, women, children, young, old, sick, dying) to how to recognize and deal with sociopaths!
...As if that type of training would stand against a sociopath, who is an expert at mastering new systems, and learning how to exploit and manipulate anyone/anything... what a joke.
Just chip the sociopaths, already!
nana nana booboo, you cant catch me.
DeleteIt is a point even so that you have to take care of yourself. Can't run around in the wilderness not expecting to run into predotors or other who want a part of you. That would be poor judgement.
Delete"Just chip the sociopaths, already!"
DeleteBeautiful. Face the firing squad grinning. I love it.
I would laugh if the chip falls into the hand of a sociopath who changes the direction of the company to plant chips into the empathetic to make them sociopaths. Zan would be the first to join the cause. We welcome all of you of course. We can have more of the same: A individualist society where everyone feels entitled. We need to charm one of these scientists to work for us.
ReplyDeleteAll in all the film was a laugh. The long haired child molester, and the rather queer looking rapist are excellent boogiemen. The psychologists predicting cataclysmic unseen forces for people to fear so they can take away a portion of societies ability to think for themselves was like a 60 minutes special on the monsters inside your closet. Here's a stratagem that many of you know so well. Create a scapegoat, make it larger then life, makem vague and mysterious, make people fear it, and build control from that fear. Robert Hare, you are playing the game like we do. The biggest irony is something like that would be cried against by moral arguements made by empathetic people themselves. I don't know how the films underlying motivations wouldn't scare people more than the sociopaths they are claiming to rid society of.
Cheers Zan. Will you accept my version of the behaviour modification chip?
Why on earth would creating more of us be a good thing? A society of psychopaths would be the equivalent to a bit of rapid wolves with a single piece of meat in the pit. Minus the piece of meat.
DeleteOh on earth would I get what I wanted out of that situation if everyone else there was to manipulate were also trying to manipulate me. And worse. We all know it.
Totally useless.
"Cheers Zan. Will you accept my version of the behaviour modification chip?"
ReplyDeleteThat is so kind of you, UK, but these chips will be expensive, I have no doubt. I would rather that the chip you intend for me be used for someone such as yourself that really needs it.
So kind of you to think of me though.
Zan
Can you re-up the link, it doesn't seem to be working and can't find the same title on Google videos?
ReplyDeleteI had the same problem.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA9-RB3runE
Sure they'll start with psychopaths to test the technology, then they'll just chip everybody.
ReplyDeleteThe only time the chip makes sense is when its voluntary. If a psychopath is in prison with a life sentences and receive an offer to be chipped and released and accepts it, then they get released. But lets not kid ourselves, being chipped is a prison without walls.
Why are we even discussing this?
ReplyDeleteChips have been "around" for several years now since Alex Jones and all the conspiracy nuts hit the scene. They're never going to actually happen. Ever.
This discussion subject is far too ridiculous to take seriously. It'd be like trying to debate the merits of Dipstick and Curly.
The update link as well as the embedded video do not work.
ReplyDeletehttp://youtu.be/DXo_Q2efizc
DeleteRaises an interesting question. What is psychopathy? Is it an action? A response?
ReplyDeleteOr is it really a label put on those who would defy the will of society's masters? Is it
a simple mantra used to cast into exile any who say "No, i will not!" And imagine a world
"chipped." Imagine everyone with the exact same personality, thoughts, lives, desires...
A perfect world only for the masters. And in so doing, the human race would go extinct,
replaced by mindless, obedient robots. Sounds a lot like an episode of doctor who to me...
I think there is a very distinct difference between psychopaths and others. Seen in behaviour, emotional richnes, ability to connect emotionally, and maybe most interestingly in how measured brainactivitty occurs. If you watch the video M.E. shares, you will see short interviews with so called psychopaths, and theyr detachment to the things they describe is striking. Can come across as openness and selfasureness, but at a closer look is just pure cold detachment to emotional values.
DeleteThe unfortunate truth is. None, if not very few of you, actually have any education or knowledge about psychology or the study of psychopathy. So your comments just come across as ignorant conspiracy nonsense. We are sick. This simply is.
DeletePsychopaths have been with us since the dawn of history and will always
ReplyDeletebe with us. It's like what Jesus said about the poor. "They will always
be with you."
There's no way to eradicate a "natural" condition. That would be called:
"Don't raise the bridge, lower the water.
Since we live in a dangerous, imperfect world that will always be so, we
must not concentrate on changing the world, but our response to the
world. We must uncouple ourselves from the delusion that we can get what
we want most of the time, an insistence of desired "outcomes."
Sure, it would be kind of tough if I sent my daughter off to school and
she never came back and they found what was left of her when a psychopath
got done with her, but what's a person to do? There's a saying: "Fall
down seven times, get up eight times." Passion and preference have to be
removed from the equation. We fear loss because we want to be safe, but
safety is an illusion. The great Indian spiritual teacher Juddi
Krishnuriti asked, "Can you die a little everyday, so you no longer fear
death?
Redirect our attention morons :
ReplyDeletecattle prod/shock collar/tazer
fireworks/starter gun
I'll be up for brain scanning and surgical intervention when all politicians agree to be first in the queue.
ReplyDeletejailed = idiotic sociopath
ReplyDeleteThat will happen at the same time that the children of those politicians are sent to the front lines with the rest of the soldiers. I read today my neighbours to the south are once again gallantly proposing to rescue the unfortunate citizens of another oil-rich country (Syria, in this case.) The 'justification' being that the naughty government is using banned weapons on it's own citizenry; now where have I heard that before?
ReplyDeleteWho do you suppose they are making their case to? Because, frankly, people like myself do not care even if the propaganda is true. No, they are playing to the boo-hoo do-gooder crowd, your 'neuro-typicals,' if you will.
The only question is: will it work? I'm inclined to think so. All that's needed are for some sad photos to be passed around Facebook and the 'sheeple' will square their shoulders, blink back those tears of empathy, and, feeling their patriotism surging through their very bones, prepare to sacrifice whatever is asked of them.
Well, cheers to that. If they haven't learned their bloody lesson yet, perhaps another go, eh?
Who do you suppose they are making their case to? Because, frankly, people like myself do not care even if the propaganda is true
ReplyDeleteThe world would be a very dull place without psychopaths, sociopaths or narcissists in it. I would be very bored! lisa
ReplyDeleteThis documentary was beautiful. There is no other way to put it. I have no fear of my brain being implanted with any sort of micro chip. I consider myself far to well disguised to be seen for what I am. But I will gladly be one of society's biggest supporters for implanting and subduing those less "successful" psychopaths. Clearing the playing field so to speak. We are not a pack breed as I have said before. I am all for clearing out those among us who can not blend in.
ReplyDeleteWhat about the psychopaths who aren't criminal per se? The psychopaths who are corporate bullies?
ReplyDeleteIf microchipping could change a person to not have psychopathic traits, the person would be relieved of suffering. Society as a whole would be better off. I would micro chip not only based on direct violent crime, but on corporate decision makers who willfully cause harm as well. It is also true that sheeple are responsible for cultivating psychopathic traits. Sheeple have to wake up, too!
ReplyDeleteMicrochips in the brain? Over my dead body! I mean this literally. I would rather be killed than have my brain defiled. This is right down there with lobotomy.
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