A reader asked me, "what's with the cruelty?" I responded: A good question. Have you never felt the urge to destroy? You probably have, but didn't think of it that way. Let's say there is a piece of cake sitting out on a counter -- perfect little piece of cake. What do you feel like doing to that cake? Isn't that destruction?
If it were possible to both have our cake and eat it too, then things might have worked out differently between you and your socio. Because that isn't possible and because your socio chose one way and not the other, you perceive/experience cruelty. But what is the use of a perfect little piece of cake that just sits out there forever on the counter, never to be eaten?
Imagine how the cake must feel. At least you didn't get dropped in a bath of hydrochloric acid, ladies.~
ReplyDelete"But what is the use of a perfect little piece of cake that just sits out there forever on the counter, never to be eaten? "
ReplyDeleteSweet analogy, M.E.
Post, do you often drop your cake and/or ladies in hydrochloric acid?
*into hydrochloric acid? Please forgive my 5am grammar.
ReplyDeleteI bake my cakes in the oven and then eat them...Go figure Mr. Freud.
ReplyDeleteQuoted fro this post: http://www.sociopathworld.com/2008/10/sociopath-advise-on-how-to-deal-with.html
ReplyDelete"There aren't many places for sociopaths in this world, even on the World Wide Web. There's the elite sociopath website, this blog, and a couple other brave souls I've seen outing themselves anonymously."
Does anyone have a link to this "elite socipath website" of which ME speaketh?
Uh, keywords are "this blog".
ReplyDeleteI'm curious, how do you socios react if and/or when someone is cruel to you?
ReplyDeleteHave any of you ever met your match as in someone being able to best you?
@Ivey
ReplyDelete"Elite sociopath website" might be a reference to a yahoo group related site see here:
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Ammy, I myself am a socio but what i say doesnt work for all of us, so here it goes. when someone tries to be cruel to me it means they feel threatened by me in some way, normal for most people who see a young adult with shockingly different hair(my only outward abnormality) and they all have various ways of showing it, but the cruel ones are my favorites, they think that they can cause me to feel uncomfortable or to cause me harm in some way but i find that those people have very large gaping holes in there hearts that you can just reach into and pull out all the ammo you need to completely demoralize and shut down that person. say for instance another man at say a bar feels that his masculinity is being threatened by me and he feels the need to make up for his lack in self confidence by outing me and making some wise-ass crack about how i must be gay or something to try and cut me, it would be very simple to just look at the man and hit him to prove im, not better but more capable and efficient, but then you could always emasculate him in front of everyone because of the insult of calling me gay to provoke me he must have some form of issue with gays so the logical way to deal with him is to get everyone in the audience to question his sexuality. now for every attack there is a perfect counter attack and cruel attacks have even worse counters, the worst part about these situations is then people get a small glimpse at how truly horrible you are. in the end disarming the person showing you cruelty is the only logical way of reacting.
ReplyDeleteHave i ever met my match as in someone able to best me ? yes twice, or technically once and i found my equal. both times they were sociopaths and one was male the other female. the male was my equal, he is the closest thing to family i have and he is my cousin but the shit we put each other through gave us a bond stronger than blood we call each other brother and we have no problems with one another he could walk into a diner im eating at with no clothes on and pull up a chair and i would simply ask him about his day, his mind works on the exact waves as mine we even do the creepy twins thing with finishing sentences, that man is the most sick and twisted person i have had the extreme pleasure of meeting. The woman who bested me at the game of life is, well not the love of my life but more like the only person i dont need to put a guard up around, its not that i trust her more than others its just that even with my guards up she walks right through them and sees into my dark withered evil little soul, the only reason i care about this is that she knows my reasons behind every nefarious plot i make even if i dont see why im doing it. its like small children crying the sound cuts at your soul and its not that them crying bothers you its the fact that your not aloud to kill it that pisses you off so much. so to summarize hurt the cruel people more the people who know you better than you yourself can best you and babies suck.
Ammy! I'm glad to see you again! Yes I have met my match, only once. I was more "disabled" than bested. I actually kind of liked it... Once in a lifetime event I suppose.
ReplyDelete@Ammy,
ReplyDeleteIf anyone every got the better of me, they did a very good job at hiding an I didn't notice.
I like my women the way I like my cake...
ReplyDeleteWhat? Do I have to explain?
Covered in icing?
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ReplyDeleteirrational cake eating cruelty
@anom 5:39am define "disabled" you were outted, did someone not play into your hands. curious, please share :-)
ReplyDeleteDisabled: I'll compare this to a voice inside your head. Instead of the voice inside my head highlighting to me an exploit or play by play, it simply spoke: "assist". And so I did.
ReplyDeletehmmm. that's very interesting. what made you want to assist?
ReplyDeleteand, did you assist the way the person wanted or the way you wanted? did it entail a joint attack on a third party?
ReplyDeletePythias: I can't help but soak my cake in HCl when I eat it. Then again, I suppose that's a gross oversimplification of the composition of gastric acid. Ah, well. Comedy.~
ReplyDeleteOther than imagining gruesome (yet moderately appealing) visuals from the comments, all I got from this post was a hunger for the mystery cake in the picture.
ReplyDeleteWhat type of cake is that? I have never seen it before in my life. It looks simply amazing. I want some.
it's a red velvet cake:
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Hi, guys. This is off-topic and my first comment here. I found out about this site yesterday and spent most of the night reading it. (Yeah, I think I'm a bit of an Aspie.) You guys do seem charming and witty, which figures.
ReplyDeleteI just had to share a few of my favorite lines from a Heinlein novel, "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls." I'll have to paraphrase, as I don't have it before me.
Hazel: "That shocks my conscience!"
Richard: "Your what!?"
Hazel: "Well, the accounting system I use in place of one."
WV: outon. Some people are out on this blog.
Postmodern was making a joke, there. Our tummies contain hydrochloric acid.
ReplyDeleteOh I get it, I'm a sociopath, so "assist" would have to equal "help murder" or "help inflict" and anything but "help" period. That's good because I was feeling too lazy to explain in having to borrow language to do so.
ReplyDeletei'm hungry.
ReplyDeletethe word verification doesn't help. cheri.
aspie, that red velvet cake looks delicious.
ReplyDeleteI'm so dissapointed about that cake... I was expecting it to be a lovely moist cherry-flavoured cake, not another boring chocolate cake with a bit of food colouring. :/
ReplyDeletei think i'm the only one here who thinks the cake looks creepy. yes, i said creepy. don't ask me why. possibly cos it looks artificial.
ReplyDeleteYes, yes he was Justthisguy. I think most understood that...
ReplyDelete'Our tummies' aww that's soo cute.
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ReplyDeleteUgh, I don't really like super sweet things.
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ReplyDeletenotme... i get a giggle when I hear from you. I'm your other strong empath. Of course the cake looks creepy, but to us not to our socio buddies. to them it looks delicious. that cake and the write up is all one needs to explain a socio.
ReplyDeleteI saw my dude last night, btw.
ReplyDeleteHe saw me and had a panic attack (I'm pretty sure, anyway) and ran, even though he tried to stay in control for a bit. Then he ran away. Again.
Sigh.
haha! glad you agree anon.
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ReplyDeleteNope. Completely in control.
ReplyDeleteDespite my uncontrollably shaking leg.
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ReplyDeleteAnon, you're not being serious about how only sociopaths could find that cake appealing, are you?
ReplyDeleteYeah, I suppose it was anticipation.
ReplyDeleteI think he was deciding whether he should talk to me or not. I wanted to offer him a sour patch kid, but I know better.
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ReplyDeletehow does that cake look creepy. it looks yummy. a little coffee and a big fork is all i need.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I had them in my bag, and he's addicted to candy.
ReplyDeleteLiterally and figuratively...
2 Aerianne, yeah I was going to attempt the home-made thing. I happen to be disastrous when baking though. We'll see how it goes.
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ReplyDeleteI've never had any Red Velvet Cake. It looks pretty, and like it might be yummy, but from what I've read on the 'net, it's a complicated pain in the ass to prepare. Something you might want to get somebody else to do... Snork.
ReplyDeleteI can do almost anything if I try. Doesn't mean it will look as elegant and taste as delightful as I would expect, lol.
ReplyDeleteNonetheless, it's something to do, and may even taste good. I just need some, and I won't function until I get it.
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ReplyDelete'The ugliest cakes always taste the best.'
ReplyDeletewhich is why i find this cake creepy! it's bizarrely perfect and all that colouring...
of course, my tongue is a little in my cheek.
it's just a cake, let's move on...
let's talk about flan.
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ReplyDeletethis cake looks as yummie as a brick wall. since the main point of accompanying photos is to be attention-getting, this is successful, but not appetizing. (who would want to eat red velvet anything? bleh)
ReplyDeleteto an empath the cake looks too bloody red, hence creepy. i'd like to hear if there is a socio here who thinks the cake is creepy. anon
ReplyDeleteI'm extremely empathic, and that cake just reminds me of a cherry liquor cake I had a while ago, not blood :p
ReplyDeletethe cake doesn't look creepy, more like cardboard. flan looks like carmel-colored bile, now that's creepy. ew.
ReplyDeleteHey I have an idea, let's polarize everything. Psychopaths are the largest consumer base for red food coloring (fact check dot org).~
ReplyDeleteAlso, the cake looks delicious, you're just looking at it wrong. That shit will melt in your mouth.
yes anon, cardboard. that's what i meant.
ReplyDeletethanks for the mental image (shit melting in mouth)... talk about cruelty - back to thread topic?
ReplyDeleteBlood baked in cake would not produce a red cake.
ReplyDeleteblood baked in cake? Cake dipped in blood?
ReplyDeleteFlan.... yes, white jiggly flash (change the a)
Blood pie.
ReplyDeletei suspect someone's gotten a little spammy. (and no--it isn't me.)
ReplyDelete-a completely other anon.
Typical empaths. The subject is cruelty and all you can see is cake.
ReplyDeleteI feel like cruelty is a need for me. I need to at least know I'm involved in something being destroyed. The more creative the destruction the better. The more surprised and shocked people look the better. I like when peoples anguish is deep in their mind, and when I leave a scar that they will never forget.
And have you actually succeeded in that?
ReplyDeleteJust curious.
You like to make people feel like you UKan?
ReplyDeleteI'm sure he has. I just can't relate to that need.
ReplyDeleteCare to expound on your assertion, UKan?
ReplyDeleteThis website is hilarious: Several people claiming to be "sociopaths" or some derivation thereof and how they try to impress upon others a "shocking" expose into their "disturbed" minds. Oh, you can't forget the idiots who eat it all up, exactly like cake.
So far I have not come across one solid example on here of how a purported "sociopath" consistently exhibits entailed character traits...truthfully!
you mean someone right ukan?
ReplyDeleteIt's their site so if you don't feel respect don't bother anyone with your opinion
ReplyDeleteit's therapy time(?) imagine this: cake red with the damp of the fruit. the frosting a mix smoke and spice, licorice or cinnamon and deeply cocoa.
ReplyDeleteit's not exactly what red cake is like. but it's possible to dream.
(now i'm spammy. oh well. :)
skeptic, how does a purported (or otherwise) sociopath consistently exhibit his or her entailed character traits?
ReplyDeleteit looks like raspberry sherbet cake. i want it to be raspberry sherbet cake.
Wow, the kettle really calls the pot black today.~
ReplyDeleteDon't dog on UKan too much, he still believes in politics and racism. Wait until he holds a gun to one of his lady-friend's head demanding she get an abortion. If he's as smart as I think he is, he'll be pissed she fakes emotions pretending to care about what happens to her. Or am I too late?
Well, Skeptic, you see, the sociopaths here are still human, and thus are able to have civilised conversation on a blog such as this with, surprisingly, no manipulation whatsoever, or whatever else you'd like to suppose a 'real' sociopath would do.
ReplyDeleteIsn't lieing about one's self manipulating people to believe that you are something that your not.?
ReplyDeleteA lot of that goes on here.
agree zoe... i like the dense, glistening moistness look it has... it suggests some measure of a pudding base to me...picture looks a little distorted to me though
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ReplyDeleteBeing with a socio is like reaching for th cake and geyying your hand wacked with a rule, always pain with the prize.
ReplyDeleteWell, technically most things are manipulation, but you have to draw the line somewhere, surely?
ReplyDeleteMy point was, Skeptic was pointing out that people aren't always doing what sociopaths are supposedly meant to do. They don't have to.
I have AvPD. You'll notice I'm still posting here, and am not really showing - I hope - much of it.
What are you looking for skeptic?
ReplyDeleteAnti-Virul Personality Disorder? I'm kidding. And yeah Aerianne, I liked it better when we were imagining what a little coffee would do for the cake.
ReplyDeleteI thought I already shot down the red food coloring idea. So much abuse today.~
what's AvPD?
ReplyDeletemy word verification is 'cake'. go figure
aspie, it looks like it could be one of those fake display cakes. but to me it will always be raspberry sherbet cake.
ReplyDeleteAvoidant Personality Disorder
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeletewhat's AvPD?
Avoidant personality disorder.
okay so maybe it's not raspberry sherbet cake, maybe i should taste it first. :(
ReplyDeleteis that comorbid with something?
ReplyDeletei mean you personally.
is anyone here normal? lol
We've covered this. Nobody here is normal because normal doesn't exist. It's like politics, it doesn't exist. I do promise you, however, keep polarizing everything and you'll end up the new "normal" and such a brand outshines sociopathy from the looks of it so anticipate switching blogs early to grant yourself a head start.
ReplyDeleteDestruction is not always cruelty.
ReplyDeleteSometimes cruelty is really a kindness.
and blah blah blah blah
Some people don't believe sociopaths exist either.
ReplyDeleteYou believe what you were always told to believe, unless you choose to believe what you want to believe, you will never able to believe anything other than what your were always told to believe.
ReplyDeleteBelieve Me.
(just an aside: i agree completely with anon 4:51. the site's one big argument against witch hunts as far as i'm concerned, witch hunts often conducted in the name of justice.
ReplyDeletebut that's something that certainly rips the distinctions right off the walls. good. bad. if something is good, it has to have a shadow in order to define itself. who gets to live that out? who gets to wear the shadow?
that's what i wonder. sorry this isn't coherent. but then, neither am i. :)
hey, Attack of the Anons.
ReplyDeletefuck what people believe.
fact is fact.
sociopaths exist, relative 'normality' exists.
and as does everything else.
My sibling @ 5.13:
ReplyDeleteI completely agree. No witch hunt required. If you have a problem with a sociopath ruining your life, grow some self respect and shoot them. Handle it "individually" and stop having to rely on others to make decisions for you. Stop being needy of advice on how to deal with such things. You either deal with it or take it to the grave, and that choice IS something you can believe in because it's direct, but I know you cannot respect it if it's not polarized. You have to hate, to love.
granted, the existence of a majority 'normal' bracket pushes the others further into their sense of being different. this, i think, is the crux of the issue. so, to flippantly say that no one is normal ignores the reality that any variant is perceived a variant too far.
ReplyDeleteWhat is existance? What is normal? What is fact? Is that what being a fact or being normal is, merely being in existance? If that is the case then are you saying that its a fact that you have a normal existance? What if you didn't have a normal existance? Would your existance still be a fact? Or would it be fiction? Is fiction normal? It's obviously not a fact.
ReplyDeleteWhat is cake? Is it chunky? Is it creamy? Can you mix chunky and creamy cakes together and make cream chunk cake? Has anyone ever seen a chunky cake before? LOL! If not they should invent one!!!! Think of it, I WILL BE THE FIRST CHUNKY CAKE INVENTOR!!>} <-----Thats a winky smile with a nose!!
ReplyDeletePS Dont steal my idea
fuck what people believe.
ReplyDeletefact is fact.
sociopaths exist, relative 'normality' exists.
and as does everything else.
Should I believe you, or not give a fuck what you believe?
I've always been fascinated with destruction of things but not people.
ReplyDeletelol Ukan, you've lost me.
ReplyDeleteWhat happens after a destructive act is what is the most interesting.
ReplyDeletedon't give a fuck what i believe.
ReplyDeletefact stands outside of belief.
Ukan, that was uncharacteristically meta of you.
ReplyDeleteI can be very cruel at times. I hate most people which makes it very easy and even pleasurable for me to fuck them over and treat them like shit.
ReplyDeleteI've always had a cruel streak. I remember when I was still at school there was this retarded Malaysian kid who could be reduced to tears over practically nothing(if I simply told him that I wasn't his friend he'd start to well up) , and I took a great deal of pleasure out of making him cry. I'd also bring him along to wherever everyone else was having lunch, have pay for mine and then make him sit alone at a seperate table from everyone else and then tell him to fuck off when I was done. He'd fall for the same trick over and over and over again, and I pulled the same thing on a few other other kids too (somehow it feels good to recount all of this, thats why I'm going on about it). I think cruelty is just a part of who I am.
What is existance? What is normal? What is fact? Is that what being a fact or being normal is, merely being in existance? If that is the case then are you saying that its a fact that you have a normal existance? What if you didn't have a normal existance? Would your existance still be a fact? Or would it be fiction? Is fiction normal? It's obviously not a fact.
ReplyDeleteDepends on the world you live/lived in.(socio/normal)
Misanthrope, that's fucking weak and extraordinarily lame. Especially if you mean he was literally retarded.
ReplyDeleteThat's like burning an ant with a magnifying glass and feeling like God as a result.
I think cruelty is just a part of who I am.
Bullshit. I think trying to make yourself look bigger and therefore feel better and more powerful is part of who you are. Be honest with yourself.
this cruelty streak seems so petty... to make someone cry, to suffer or affect them deep in their psyche.... what's the point? even with not having a conscience or empathy... why bother with "cruelty"?
ReplyDeleteseems pretty lame
I bet Misanthrope was made to feel retarded and weak himself at one point in his life.
ReplyDeleteSome of these 'sociopaths' are actually just the most sensitive people on Earth.
ReplyDeleteDo you have red hair Misanthrope?
ReplyDeleteThey always depict the bullies on TV with ginger-hair.
I think it makes them angry, go figure.
Misanthrope.
ReplyDeleteYou picked on someone who you knew wouldn't stand up for themselves,and your proud of it.
lol,you coward.
is that true medusa?
ReplyDeletedo you think that their sometimes "cruelness" is something that one can always learn from? do you think that their behavior and argument ever has a goal separate from some lesson one can interpret?
Bitch slapped Misanthrope, splat
ReplyDeleteI think he may have been mildly mentally retarded and he had a speech impediment, but this just made it all the more comical(for me at least). I was really just trying to push the the little bastard to his limits. I wanted a reaction, I wanted him to turn around and scream ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!! and yet he never did. He let me walk all over him. Looking back now it does seem "lame" and petty, but I was 14 years old for christ sakes and thats just how I got my kicks. I suppose you could say that I've moved onto bigger and better things.
ReplyDeleteI've never been made to feel retarded, but people have attempted to make me feel weak before and that drives me nuts. When people belittle, disrespect or even criticize me I usually fly off the handle and make them feel as small and pathetic as possible. If they push me to far I'll get violent.
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ReplyDeleteaww, i wanna give Misanthrope a cuddle.
ReplyDeleteHmm, this is kinda funny. I mentioned above that I have a bit of aspitude, with the over-developed conscience which often comes with that. I think that part of me comes from my genes. However, my upbringing as a small child could not have been designed better by an evil child psychologist to encourage any sociopathic tendencies I had. The training and discipline provided by my parents were whimsical and inconsistent.
ReplyDeleteI am now stuck with being a grownup with an Aspie conscience and sociopath training. I think that this is one of the reasons I drink as much as I do.
I think that some policemen are in the same situation, and also drink too much.
I do not think it is good for anybody to have conflicts with himself in his own head.
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ReplyDelete(I wanted to re-write my previous comment, because I'm feeling OCD.)
ReplyDeleteAspie,
If the sociopath is strong, they will choose someone with a certain weakness that they know how to exploit, and they will choose carefully. They will zero in on a weakness that probably isn't good for the prey themselves anyway. Well, obviously isn't good for them, seeing as that they have become a sociopath's target. A weakness that has probably caused them problems in other areas of their life as well, and keeps them blinded from their own potential as human beings.
A weakness borne of delusion, bullshit, fear and pain.
Depending on the disposition of the prey, they will either disintegrate and be subsumed by their weakness, or open their eyes and become stronger. If they disintegrate, well, then they are truly weak on a very basic level. Even if they aren't exploited by the sociopath, they will eventually be exploited by someone else, something else, or even themselves. It's all the same, really.
If the prey becomes stronger as a result of being preyed upon, well, how can that possibly be bad? It means that the prey is actually strong on a very basic level. It means that they can cease to be prey, cease to be victims, and learn how to take control of their lives.
I doubt that most sociopaths are conscious of the fact that their tactics and targets are often beneficial to those effected, even the intelligent and self-aware ones. I also doubt that it is their conscious 'goal' to help people see their own weaknesses. They will generally prefer to call it and see it as 'sadism'.
I like to see it as truth in disguise.
The weak sociopaths have no method to their cruelty. These sociopaths usually rely on random acts of cruelty, physical violence, and squashing those smaller than them for the sole benefit of the ego. They don't do anyone any good, including themselves. There is no lesson to be learned.
Their weakness is the same as the prey's weakness, borne of bullshit, delusion, fear and pain.
Kids are mean.
ReplyDeleteIndeed. I will confess, I was one of the mean kids apparently. As a wee little kid in elementary school I too went thru a bully phase. Of course, I didn’t see it that way then. And no, my targets weren’t retarded foreigners as far as I knew, not that that matters. Anyway, I would ‘tease’ a few of the kids. Relentlessly. I can barely remember what I did to them, but I thought it was all in good fun. Till I saw one of the kids 10 or so years later, when we were teens. I was with my parents and he was with his. He recognized me and his parents started talking to my parents about how I ‘terrorized’ their son back in the day. I remembered feeling genuine surprise that he saw it that way. Sure, I knew he didn’t like it and his displeasure was part of the fun. But I thought ‘terrorize’ was too strong a word. Apparently he didn’t however and the look in his eyes confirmed it. He hated me. I suppose the kid thought I had been cruel to him. I didn’t think so though.
Later, between the ages of 12 and 15 I went thru my ‘see what I can get away with’ phase. That sometimes involved playing pranks. Other times it meant playing experimental games with students and teachers. One kid in the 9th grade became a personal favorite test subject of mine. He eventually began to suspect that I was the one who had put him through some of the drama and pain he’d experienced and one day he tried to fight me. I had another kid standing there at the time, who promptly proceeded to kick his ass while I watched. And that was the end of that. My test subject (who also wasn’t a random foreigner) might have considered my games cruel I suppose. Again, I never saw it that way. I guess cruelty is in the eye of the beholder.
That phase, like the bully phase, passed as well. It's funny. I never ever saw anything I did when I was a kid/teen as cruel.
Interesting comments there Medusa. Sounds like you are speaking from experience… I knew you were a predator!
ReplyDeleteI love the lame stories and obvious posturing that goes on in these comment threads. I suppose I'm quite cruel, overall, but I don't feel the need to gush about it. Sometimes people need to be hurt. Other times, it's just fun. Business is business, no?
ReplyDeleteWas this event particularly meaningful to you, Misanthrope? If so, why? Did you feel something for the little mutant? Why waste so much time and energy on something so far beneath you?~
In all seriousness, if this little tale is special enough for you to bother telling all of these details, you're either not really a very cruel person overall (i.e., this is one of your few instances of real cruelty), or you're just another boring, sad sack racist who gets his jollies beating up brown people. Either way, your weakness sickens me.
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ReplyDelete"Depending on the disposition of the prey, they will either disintegrate and be subsumed by their weakness, or open their eyes and become stronger. If they disintegrate, well, then they are truly weak on a very basic level. Even if they aren't exploited by a sociopath, they will eventually be exploited by something else, someone else, or even themselves"
is that true? are you prey? is that what you are and what you are here to be? seems to me you are buying into their bs
"If the prey becomes stronger as a result of being preyed upon, well, how can that possibly be bad?"
I've seen the idea expressed here (through music videos and discussion) that damage is damage... that being preyed upon can affect survival negatively.... and certainly we see this described on sites like lovefraud and others where obviously horribly abused and destroyed women for example remember their destroyers with fondness etc (they were so pure) and wish to be with them again and are with them again with similar results etc....
"Their weakness is the same as the prey's weakness, borne of bullshit, delusion, fear and pain"
Who are you telling that to in your mind?
To be clear, not directed at you in the slightest, Daniel. I rather enjoy your stories and posturing. <3
ReplyDeleteSounds like you are speaking from experience… I knew you were a predator!
ReplyDeleteHeh. Daniel.
Truth be told, I was the target of many kids like you and Misanthrope when I was a kid. My entire grade school, pretty much.
I wrote murder ballads about them several years ago. Even named names in one of them.
I'm over it now, though, and bear no grudges. Kids will be kids, and the whole thing is now just another chapter in the Empathy is a Learned Behavior book.
What's funny is that I found a bunch of those kids on Facebook a few days ago and realized that the apex of their lives were... in grade school.
Us losers and bully targets, very-bottom-of-the-social-rung types, ended up being the truly successful ones.
Not saying that this is the incontrovertible path for all bullies and bully targets by any means, but it seems to be the general rule.
I'm beginning to feel like an oddity. I don't think I was ever a bully.
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ReplyDeleteLikewise.
But yeah, I don’t see myself as cruel. Even then, when I went thru my phases, I didn’t see myself as cruel. Looking back on it, I don’t feel like I was a cruel kid. True, as a little kid I did literally hit other kids whenever I wanted, that kind of thing, but it was nothing serious. And when I was older, I didn’t hit at all. I played games. Again, nothing too serious in my book. Yet the others felt differently. I think that’s the interesting juxtaposition. Our perceptions of the same events and actions are so strikingly different.
@Medusa:
I imagine. Did these kids literally push you around, hit you, that sort of thing? I didn’t do that when I got older. I lost my taste for random acts of physical violence after I turned 8. Go figure.
You may not have been a predator then, but perhaps you’re one now…
is that true? are you prey? is that what you are and what you are here to be? seems to me you are buying into their bs
ReplyDeleteI have been prey, yes. Now I am prey turned predator. Not even predator, really, just... in control.
Buying into their bs? You can see it that way if you wish, doesn't much matter to me.
I've seen the idea expressed here (through music videos and discussion) that damage is damage... that being preyed upon can affect survival negatively....
Sure, being preyed up can indeed affect survival negatively... the survival of the weak. Call it Darwinism at it's best.
Not that being weak makes someone a lesser person, but we are all animals. No different than the predator/prey dynamic in the wild, no matter how much we may like to convince ourselves that we are not animals. The weak get caught and devoured, and the strong know to either run away, fight back, or use intelligence and cunning.
"Their weakness is the same as the prey's weakness, borne of bullshit, delusion, fear and pain"
Who are you telling that to in your mind?
No one in particular, despite my history, which I have just elucidated in my previous comment.
Not the bullies, not my ex.
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ReplyDeleteMy little brother thought I was cruel, if what he says is true. He turned out all right, though, so it doesn't seem I did any lasting damage.
ReplyDeleteI suppose I was always a bit of an intellectual bully. I didn't usually hit other kids (my brother aside), but I took great joy in making clear just how superior an intellect I was in my younger years. I love argumentation, and I love verbal beatdowns.
Not much has changed, really.~
I like that whistling sound
ReplyDelete@PoMo, my bully phase as a little kid aside, I am not a fan of bullying. I'm not a fan because it lacks imagination. No intelligence is required. Granted, fear is useful of course. I can't deny that. So I can see it's utility if it's part of a larger strategy. Otherwise, I would find it boring to go around bullying people just because I can.
ReplyDeleteDid these kids literally push you around, hit you, that sort of thing?
ReplyDeleteSure did, though not all that much. The physical stuff was nowhere near the most damaging type of abuse, though.
"Sticks and stones may break by bones..." Eh, bullshit, when you are a child.
My siblings (and mother) were actually the most physically damaging ones.
By the time I was in sixth grade I started fighting back. Getting in fights and shit like that at school and at home.
You sound more like a bunch of babies than sociopaths. Danny Birdlick, what a tool.
ReplyDeleteDaniel, you've hit the head of it exactly. I have little appreciation for such heavy-handed methods. The temporary fear gives way to acceptance much too quickly in the case of bullying. True fear requires a lighter touch.
ReplyDeleteRight so you are some fearsome guy. Is that really what you BELIEVE you are, or are you just trying to hard?
ReplyDeleteSkeptic, prey tell [sic], what exactly is it that you are skeptical of?
ReplyDeleteYou seem to have dodged my question earlier Skeptic. Don't think I forgot.
ReplyDeleteThis whole site is skeptical. Do you think you are strong? Please you aren't a survivor you are a victim. Your prey and always will be. Not to this crowd tho. Long and behold ladys and gentlemen the Choir Boys
ReplyDeleteI was bullied too from a very young age. I started weightlifting around the age of 16 and never experienced it again... got into a couple of fistfights around that time too and did well... felt sorry for my opponents...also made a lot of friends who would defend me.... sometimes i think back then it was my anxiety that was my enemy... i knew plenty of non tough guys that seem to blow off the bullies.... they never got all stressed and would just walk away...
ReplyDeleteApparently you haven't hung around these parts for very long, or read many of the comments.
ReplyDeleteAh, it looks like Skepshit is this month's No True Sociopath Fallacy Champion. Congrats my friend.
ReplyDeleteJuvenile humor time: Yes, I am a tool. I drilled your mom last night. All. Night. Long. JHT over.
Ok, that'll be my first and last response to you since you've already bored me.
You are assuming that all proclaimed sociopaths are stupid and weak and victims of themselves.
ReplyDeleteYou give yourself away. It's clear that a socio-type has gotten to you, and probably pretty recently.
This is also my last response to you, Skeptic, as my newest challenge is to attempt to implement the Serenity Prayer route, no matter how much my hand wants to form a fist.
@PoMo: Exactly. There's no gamesmanship in bullying. Where's the fun in that?
ReplyDelete@Medusa = Warrior Queen of the Night.
Auspie = low self esteem train
ReplyDeleteWoot woot
Birdlick is the sociopath of the year call the papers I think he just toilet papered auspied front yard. Front yard! Not even the back. For everyone to see. What a sociopath! Lawldedop!
I read enough of you medusa that one look from you would dazzle my heart sweetie. You can call me netime. ;)
hey skeptic, do you think there is brandy in that cake? could it be raspberry sherbet cake with brandy?
ReplyDeleteskeptic = UKan
ReplyDeleteWhy does every malcontent that comes in here get blamed on me.
ReplyDeletebecause you are sloppy
ReplyDeleteLols
ReplyDeleteHa ha you fell right into my trap UKant.
ReplyDelete^ There's a sloppy trickster right there.
ReplyDeleteOk I admit I'm stoned
ReplyDeleteOh man, no fair. It's been about a month for me.
ReplyDelete2 weeks for me after a year layoff.
ReplyDeleteYou're self employed. Get a robe and a ounce.
ReplyDeleteCan't afford it at the moment.
ReplyDeleteI've never bought an entire ounce at once. I'd never get anything done if I did that.
I talk to the wind
ReplyDeleteOh aspie, I ♥ you for that. One of my most favoritest albums ever.
ReplyDeleteKanye West sampled "21 Century Schizoid Man" on his newest album. I first heard it when he performed it on SNL a few weeks back. At first I was pissed off... but by the end of the song I was really impressed.
That's how you fucking use a sample. Not as a shortcut or replacement for creativity, but as part of it.
M.E.: ....So, how did you realize you were a sociopath?
ReplyDeleteV: Dunno that I did, per se. Just realized that everyone else was a bunch of dumbasses.
thanks medusa... i love you too sweety :)....
ReplyDeletesome racist lyrics there imo though lol... this kayne guy
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ReplyDeleteYou mean the bit about the "light-skinned girls" aspie?
ReplyDeleteNaw, he's talking about the entertainment/media world in general, and what's expected of him and others. The spotlight prefers the light-skinned girls, and he's making a statement about that. That's how I see it anyway.
He feels alienated from the whole thing.
Yeah, Aerianne, you are lucky.
ReplyDeleteI've been in bed remembering and sighing all day, thanks to last night.
Dude has so much potential... but potential ain't nothin', now is it.
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ReplyDeleteno, i think "white man" was what i heard...maybe i heard wrong though
ReplyDeleteits here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L53gjP-TtGE&feature=related
white man world he says... he is probaly right though
i like this radio head song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uYWYWPc9HU
sorry, i meant to link it:
ReplyDeletehere
Yeah, that is still a good song.
ReplyDeleteAppropriate video, too, for here. One of the best ever.
ReplyDeletedear @ not me:
ReplyDeletethis thread seems to have died down, so i don't think i'm interrupting anything by responding to you.
i think you're right in some ways. there definitely are crimes against humanity, and people suffer from them.
but this is what i also think: i noticed you're a "beeper" (bpd) and i am also. there are some who say that what we do often has the same effect on people as the things clinically-defined sociopaths do, although we do them for different reasons: not to cause pain, but because we're impulsive and ruled by our emotions.
"good" people say this, and it's often an excuse to dehumanize us completely.
in my case, i feel that i walk a gray zone between what the majority of the world considers to be sociopathic and what it considers to be normal. i used to have judgements. now i don't.
i've had "normals" inflict as much pain on me as any sociopath i've encountered. possibly more, because the expectations are different when someone labels him or herself "good" or is labeled "good" by others. i'd frankly rather deal with someone who considers him or herself evil because, for one thing, the resulting shock is much less.
more importantly: it's much easier to protect yourself from someone who is completely honest about what he/she does. :D :D :D :D
another thing: if i encountered the man who raped me (someone who probably would have been clinically labeled a sociopath) AND---IF i knew i could get away with it---i would kill him in a heartbeat. no looking back. no remorse.
so where does that place me?
i have no illusions about this being a "good" act---i won't say it's an act of protection. i won't say it's for his own good, or mine. it's pure rage, and it's pure revenge. so--someone might call me sociopathic. that doesn't matter to me.
witch hunts are conducted under the illusion that what the witch hunt itself is good---it's for the protection of society, etc.. it's completely polarizing. it's completely dehumanizing. if someone calls him/herself "good," i cringe inside. i have an urge to run. often that person needs a shadow, needs a mob, and it doesn't always seem to matter whether the target of the witch hunt has any humanity---it's a moot point, since the target of the witch hunt is completely "evil."
this turned out not to be true in your case--you don't need a witch hunt--- and i apologize for the assumption.
i'm not sure anyone is evil. i'm not sure anyone is good. people here are supposedly evil. they say they are. but if you've been told you're evil long enough, eventually you believe it.
i'd rather not believe anyone is evil. i think we're all a mix. asking someone to wear the entire shadow of humanity's evil makes no sense, imo---it just becomes this self-fulfilling prophecy of people who believe that they're evil, and so at times behave that way.
it locks people into categories that everyone comes to believe are unshakable, unchangeable.
not that i haven't done that myself: believed all the evil lay outside me. i'm a beeper. all or nothing thinking prevails.
but i've been on the other side of that too: the bpd who has NO REDEEMING QUALITIES WHATSOEVER. bullshit.
i'm here to question all of that.
because of what i've seen, i get defensive and angry sometimes in the face of good (which may be another aspect of all or nothing thinking). i sometimes question whether it really exists.
that's not right either.
i'm not being sarcastic when i say this: apologies.
ReplyDeleteI'm curious, how do you socios react if and/or when someone is cruel to you? Have any of you ever met your match as in someone being able to best you?
I get 'shocked' or taken off guard when people I know act cruel. I typically don't hang with people who make a point of making that their MO. When it's someone I don't know, I'm not too surprised. I look at people the way they are. Animals trying to be something other than what they really are. Cruelty is part of the human equation.
@Aerianne.: I didn't say that I hurt a Black kid, just a kid who wasn't my race. Someone used my name under an anonymous-style user name and made some fake sob story.
lyrics to Karma Police by Radiohead:
ReplyDeleteKarma Police
Arrest this man
He talks in maths
He buzzes like a fridge
He's like a detuned radio
Karma Police
Arrest this girl
Her Hitler hairdo
Is making me feel ill
And we have crashed her party
This is what you'll get
This is what you'll get
This is what you'll get
When you mess with us
Karma Police
I've given all I can
It's not enough
I've given all I can
But we're still on the payroll
This is what you'll get
This is what you'll get
This is what you'll get
When you mess with us
For a minute there
I lost myself
I lost myself
Phew, for a minute there
I lost myself
I lost myself
For a minute there
I lost myself
I lost myself
Phew, for a minute there
I lost myself
I lost myself
@Medusa: Your wall of text on prey seemed related to the other side of my Predator series. Well said. I like your insight.
ReplyDelete@On Topic: I noticed something in one of my hobbies which I think a handful of you here can relate to in some capacity. Games, namely role-playing games. When I reference an RPG, I'm not strictly talking fruity elves and ogres though, just character-developing games.
A lot of said games have meters and such to gauge your "Good" and "Evil", as accumulated from deeds that you do throughout the game. A lot of these games have pretty cut and dry definitions of Good, Evil, and Neutral acts when you're given a specific opportunity. I recently finished playing a game whilst being bed-sick that Did Not have many of those choices, but instead had choices of opportunity, and before I was even halfway through it, my character had a full Evil/Corrupt meter.
This surprised me because I was only trying to get through it within an expedient manner and make as much money as I could without having the authorities on my tail. It was then that I noted the sort of, wry humor in it, upon reflection, and it somewhat defines the 'disorder' in general.
Sociopaths aren't these mystical beings of evil and destruction. They're advantageous, they take care of business, and cut corners and allies when needed, and once in a while when they aren't, for kicks.
Cruelty is part of that. Cruelty is convenient and fun. It's a lot easier to cut someone down than help them out, and quite often more satisfying.
Expediency, if you will.
To Medusa at Nov. 16, 8:34 pm: Sheesh, kids these days. It seems that the Drug Pigs and their informal adversarial colleagues have run up the price of reefer to absurd levels. The last time I bought an ounce, it was about $25 and I felt slightly cheated.
ReplyDelete@Medusa: Your wall of text on prey seemed related to the other side of my Predator series. Well said. I like your insight.
ReplyDeleteI actually wrote that after reading said blog post of yours, so it was in my mind when aspie asked those questions.
I considered posting it there, but then I figured that double-posting would have been lame.
This surprised me because I was only trying to get through it within an expedient manner and make as much money as I could without having the authorities on my tail. It was then that I noted the sort of, wry humor in it, upon reflection, and it somewhat defines the 'disorder' in general.
Hah. Interesting. Funny that.
guitar
ReplyDeletei like 2:09 to 3:00
back on topic.
ReplyDeleteI like 1:00 to 2:00.
ReplyDeleteEspecially the beginning and the end of that part. Totally Bach. Been trying to learn to sweep like that, but so far I totally suck at it.
cool... i never much liked his showoffy stuff... or his sweeping ... i like when he drops the chops and just tries to play... he is very good imo when he does that
ReplyDelete'soft kitty, warm kitty, little ball of fur........' c'mon sheldon, come away from the socios. Time to get your pjs on.
ReplyDeletePost,
ReplyDeleteI can't help but soak my cake in HCl when I eat it. Then again, I suppose that's a gross oversimplification of the composition of gastric acid. Ah, well. Comedy.~
Indeed. ;)
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ReplyDeleteto anon @ 10.06
ReplyDeletei like what you've said and see where you're coming from.
i've been the 'perfect' girlfriend, an 'angel' apparently. i've also been told i had a 'dangerous' look in my eyes by a complete stranger, and one ex was convinced i was heartless, insensitive and probably evil. who to believe? who cares.
i laugh heartily when i'm accused of being insensitive, as i know the reality is far different. it's lovely to be perceived as rock when you're anything but. i gain a glimpse into another world. also, what do people want from us? if we we didn't occasionally shut down we'd be putty in people's hands.
i wouldn't condemn you for killing that rapist. karma's a bitch. just don't get caught. lol.(please take my advice with a huge grain of salt!).
your suspicion of 'good people' is interesting and i agree that it's easier to protect yourself from socios cos you know what to expect. i just assume everyone is a socio. easy.
i don't like being called an angel anymore than i like being called a 'lady'. it makes my skin crawl. i'm more human than is even required and i'll maintain that, gladly. truth is, i know i am an angel! an angel who flies like a freak.
as for 'good' and whether it exists, it's how you define it depending on your perspective.
i will add that i do see the best in people when i first meet them.
ReplyDeletei do believe people are as innocuous as me. of course many are not, and once they cross my invisible line i never forget. it's like it's stored in my memory for a moody day.
UKan said...
ReplyDeleteWhat are you looking for skeptic?
May I forward a guess that it might be some word replacements for your usual phraseology?
Ukan: 16, 2010 5:25 PM - Nice logical sequencing with the words but my maths isn't up to that level. Does this mean I'm a victim? Btw, is that your compass?
Medusa;
would you describe yourself as figurative candy? :-)
"blah blah blah blah" - exactly my thoughts ;-)
Medusa: 16, 2010 6:59 PM - What if the "prey" or "victim" positively reinforces or rewards such traits, through the ambiquity of their convictions? As it seems to be recurrent in many of the posts on "relationships" here?
"damage is damage... that being preyed upon can affect survival negatively"....
Now this one is loaded. Perhaps a logical basis for "morality"? That any conscious being at whatever states of vulnerability would choose not to remain vulnerable indefinitely if it can be helped. ie. fight the Darwinism whatever it takes!
Misanthrope: 16, 2010 5:53 PM - There goes your chance for the Nobel Peace Price. Its ok to be angry cos the poor retarded folks back in his country never fought back but just put your daddy out of his job at the factory.
Daniel Birdick 16, 2010 7:26 PM - Curious, did you ever help anyone and actually felt,.. just good about it? Now don't lie or make up something.
Beeper: 16, 2010 10:06 PM:
"i've had "normals" inflict as much pain on me as any sociopath i've encountered.... i'd frankly rather deal with someone who considers him or herself evil because, for one thing, the resulting shock is much less"...
Damn! The inherent logic here to seek a neutral~non judgemental environment to "find ourselves", especially in the case of a non normal like a "beeper"-which drastically narrows down choices to accepting the lesser of the two evils presents a cognitive dissonance to my earlier thoughts about "preys positively reinforcing the predators"...
NoPaths last post, though not exclusively kinda triggered a notion that the "goal" may not just be personal trill, opportunism, satifaction, or fun but also a need (to fill a role?) for the repressed admiration neurotypicals have always had for nonconformity. Think the likes of John Dillinger, Robin Hood, Sam Vaknin, blah blah blah...
Shit! Yet another thought to add to my cognitive dissonance.
Daniel Birdick 16, 2010 7:26 PM - Curious, did you ever help anyone and actually felt,.. just good about it?
ReplyDeleteInteresting question. Interesting because I’m not sure I’ve ever asked myself this before. Now that I really think about it, the answer is no. Then again, does anyone feel good about helping others, outside of a relative handful of saint-like people?
Glad to oblige in expanding your self thought processes.
ReplyDeleteAnd I’m glad I could give your life purpose and meaning, at least for a moment.~
ReplyDeleteSeriously though, I don’t think most helpers feel good about helping. They feel good about being seen as a helper. The ego boost is what feels good to them. It has little to do with any kind of genuinely selfless altruism. In other words, I may not feel good about helping (which is probably why I never do it), but that doesn’t make me any different from most other people either.
Subjectively speaking, regarding your reference to "most people", though I can't say for sure if its a cultural or a conditioning thing, I do happen to experience, subject to scientific proof (mind reading technology still nonexistent here) "geniune quiet altruism" more than a few times in my unenlightened life. For which I have to be unconditionally or arguably "grateful" as I'm sure I benefitted more than they did due to the fact that I am still alive and reasonably healthy at their cost.
ReplyDeleteAre you saying you were the recipient of someone else’s largesse, i.e., altruism? Or are you saying you have shown true genuine altruism to others before? If so, did you feel really good about it?
ReplyDeleteI’m really not sure what you were saying, to be honest so I don’t quite know how to respond. Of course altruism, defined basically as helping others, thinking about other people’s welfare and so on, is possible. It happens every day. Your question zeroed in on the emotions that follow or that accompany acts of altruism. I don’t think ‘most people’ feel all that great about helping, otherwise there’d be more of it. And yes, I know I’m making a generalization. I don’t know how ‘true’ my opinion is.
Actually, on this I just don’t know. Do people feel all that good about helping, like firefighters and doctors and nurses? I suppose they must on some level. A lot of them, the idealistic ones anyway, must believe in what they’re doing also, which doesn’t necessarily mean they have to feel good about it. I think you can believe something is a duty, and thus feel compelled to do it, even though you don’t feel good about it. I don’t believe in duty, obviously. I can only hazard a guess about people who do what they believe to be their duty even though their emotions are against it.
ReplyDeleteThing is, I don't know or understand where the conviction you seem to have, that there is an emotional conflict in the good deeds being done by normal non enlightened people as per your examples.
ReplyDeleteFor arguments sake, if I were a dying soldier, I would rather or probably have no doubt or conflict about the intentions of my sacrifice. Add up all the military forces of the world and you have another representation of the "most". But I could see conflicted emotions in the power welding minority who gamble these young lives in failed economically motivated ventures disguised as acts of altruism.
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OK, most posts I can relate to. ( As an empath, I can see your point, even if I don't agree. )Not this one.
ReplyDeleteEating a piece of cake versus emotionally abusing people is not a parallel I can ever see.
I call BULLSHIT
I'm rather cruel, sadist by nature. Hardly ever openly unless given the chance or reason. Usually it is subtle and handled with finesse. Though once, someone whom had tried to wrong me of money and my image, ended up in jail on a drug charge... A user and seller was hardly a challenge.
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