From a reader:
I read your blog post from 2012 titled "Why I hate narcissists" and I think you should try to think of them a little differently(if you don't already, considering the post is from 2012.) I've been best friends with a narcissist since elementary school. He is obsessed with being liked, looking cool, etc. He'll lie to make himself look good, do anything for attention etc. He has all the hallmark traits of a classic narcissist.
My point is, I have always kept him around as a sort of sidekick. He is not very smart, again a trait of a narcissist, so he doesn't notice when I am manipulating him. He loves attention, no matter if it's good or bad, so he was a great fall-guy anytime we got in trouble. He'd gladly take all the blame just for the attention, allowing me to get away scot-free. He would also improve my image and allow me to indirectly manipulate my impression on others through him. He would lie about me in order to make himself look better. After all, if his friends are great then that makes him look great too. Of course that meant that I could put all the blame on him if any of the lies were discovered, thus avoiding all risk while still getting all the reward.
All in all I'd just like to say that narcissists might be the most useful tools in a sociopaths arsenal. so you might want to reconsider your opinions on them.
I have actually already have reconsidered my opinions on them. "Hated" was always an overstatement as it applied to narcissists, I'm sure. But also I think I don't think of people as fitting such neat boxes as "narcissist" anymore. Or at least I try not to if I can help it. I still think that labels are a useful abstraction that help people understand themselves and others. But particularly for personality disorders, the lines separating us are not bright as people make it out to seem. These diagnoses say things like you need "three or more" of a long list of characteristics, but a lot of people have in their mind that a "true" diagnosis actually looks like. Like the classic BPD is a female cutter who is emotionally unstable with outbursts and oversexualized or whatever else. Where do they get this picture from? Stereotypes probably owe their genesis to truth, but the stereotype is by its nature an oversimplification. Still, people assume that if you don't fit the stereotype you must not be X. And I sort of feel like personality disorder diagnoses (at least as they are commonly conceptualized and used) are essentially as valuable and truthful as a stereotype. And that's where the label making starts getting a little absurd. Lately I am more of the opinion that personality disorders all share certain things in common -- problems with identity and sense of self, e.g. Then there are maybe 50 or so traits that they could also have depending on how the lack of sense of self played out in their development -- variations in how they understand and deal with their emotions, variations in their conception of their self, variations in how they deal with others, are they generally passive or aggressive, are they generally driven or lazy, introverted or extroverted, delusional or self-aware? And is it possible to have a driven introverted self-aware sociopath? Or do they all come out extroverted lazy and delusional? What if, like a rubics cube, we change just one of those traits. When does a sociopath who has all of the classic traits suddenly cease to be a sociopath? Taking away one trait? Two? And which ones are essential and which ones could you expect to see some variety within the population
I read your blog post from 2012 titled "Why I hate narcissists" and I think you should try to think of them a little differently(if you don't already, considering the post is from 2012.) I've been best friends with a narcissist since elementary school. He is obsessed with being liked, looking cool, etc. He'll lie to make himself look good, do anything for attention etc. He has all the hallmark traits of a classic narcissist.
My point is, I have always kept him around as a sort of sidekick. He is not very smart, again a trait of a narcissist, so he doesn't notice when I am manipulating him. He loves attention, no matter if it's good or bad, so he was a great fall-guy anytime we got in trouble. He'd gladly take all the blame just for the attention, allowing me to get away scot-free. He would also improve my image and allow me to indirectly manipulate my impression on others through him. He would lie about me in order to make himself look better. After all, if his friends are great then that makes him look great too. Of course that meant that I could put all the blame on him if any of the lies were discovered, thus avoiding all risk while still getting all the reward.
All in all I'd just like to say that narcissists might be the most useful tools in a sociopaths arsenal. so you might want to reconsider your opinions on them.
I have actually already have reconsidered my opinions on them. "Hated" was always an overstatement as it applied to narcissists, I'm sure. But also I think I don't think of people as fitting such neat boxes as "narcissist" anymore. Or at least I try not to if I can help it. I still think that labels are a useful abstraction that help people understand themselves and others. But particularly for personality disorders, the lines separating us are not bright as people make it out to seem. These diagnoses say things like you need "three or more" of a long list of characteristics, but a lot of people have in their mind that a "true" diagnosis actually looks like. Like the classic BPD is a female cutter who is emotionally unstable with outbursts and oversexualized or whatever else. Where do they get this picture from? Stereotypes probably owe their genesis to truth, but the stereotype is by its nature an oversimplification. Still, people assume that if you don't fit the stereotype you must not be X. And I sort of feel like personality disorder diagnoses (at least as they are commonly conceptualized and used) are essentially as valuable and truthful as a stereotype. And that's where the label making starts getting a little absurd. Lately I am more of the opinion that personality disorders all share certain things in common -- problems with identity and sense of self, e.g. Then there are maybe 50 or so traits that they could also have depending on how the lack of sense of self played out in their development -- variations in how they understand and deal with their emotions, variations in their conception of their self, variations in how they deal with others, are they generally passive or aggressive, are they generally driven or lazy, introverted or extroverted, delusional or self-aware? And is it possible to have a driven introverted self-aware sociopath? Or do they all come out extroverted lazy and delusional? What if, like a rubics cube, we change just one of those traits. When does a sociopath who has all of the classic traits suddenly cease to be a sociopath? Taking away one trait? Two? And which ones are essential and which ones could you expect to see some variety within the population
Psychology is theory, our best stab at sorting intangibles to explain deviations from a norm. When a series of intangibles are discovered to group more commonly than others, we apply a name- narcissist, BPD, sociopath. I don't know any reasonable and educated person who believes the checklists are rigid.
ReplyDeleteWhen one cooks pancakes, there are two ways to do it- the science of using a recipe and measuring cups to make pancakes about the same way every time, or the "pinch of this, handful of that" method. The first method makes repeatable, trackable, comparable pancakes every time, but the second method tells you that adding chocolate chips doesn't make it any less a pancake and a lot more enjoyable.
Having a name for what is deviant in me is just a shorthand way of giving other people a "good enough" definition so that I don't have to repeat all the ingredients every single time I meet someone new.
Are other people real?
ReplyDeleteI just had a very unpleasant encounter with several unpleasant animal-loving religious believers. They are very prejudiced against me because I am a carnivorous atheist.
ReplyDeletehahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahaha rofl rofl rofl rofl.....fuckin hate psycho vegan activists uggghhhhh....talk about fuckin borderlines uggghhhh
DeleteIntroversion/extroversion is a mystery when it comes to sociopaths. The "classic" psycho seem very extroverted. But at the same time rather "deluded", sort of lost in the clouds. And this "type" often talk a lot about being "in the grip of fantasy" or saying that life is just a movie. And the condition has been labeled "malign autism", which is extreme introversion. We need some answers here..
ReplyDeleteI think our personality type plays a large role in how our path manifests itself. The "classic" is an extrovert. but the introvert can be just as dangerous. As an ENTP, I view life as simulation game and I manipulate people as if they are toys. It is a form of enjoyment. The ENTJ path is more likely to be consumed by their lust power and will do it through any means necessary a la Frank Underwood. The introverted ISTP sociopath, however, might lurk more in the shadows. They might not be as charming in me, but they could probably seek to dominate their victims after studying them. I won't suggest that Jungian type is the only factor, but I think it should be considered as to why not all people with the same disorder act the same way.
DeleteI don't believe in "names." I believe in actions. Actions speak louder then words.
ReplyDeleteFrom what I'm seeing, it looks to me like the whole construct of personality disorders is falling apart. The "neat little boxes" don't do a very good job of helping most people - but they do an excellent job of facilitating the billing. Like CC, I use them as a shorthand for discussion purposes, but I don't have a lot of my identity invested in a "diagnosis." However, knowing that I'm an asshole is helpful - to myself and others.
ReplyDeleteI agree - there are a handful of common features that I see from reading this blog and other sources. My list is a little different: weak/fluid sense of self, impulsivity, aggression, weak affective empathy, and weak/problematic bonding. From this core group of traits, the details and variations emerge.
This is why I like the biological basis - at least three (aggression, impulsivity, and affective empathy) of those five features have clear connections to brain activity (via fMRI, PET, SPECT, etc.) and chemistry. The amygdala has been getting a lot of press of late and the frontal orbital cortex and mirror neuron system have also been studied a fair amount.
At this moment, unfortunately, there isn't anything to replace the "label system" - that still seems to be in flux. And, how to account for the plasticity of the brain isn't clear - at least to me at this point.
Once the dust settles, it will be interesting to see what the field comes up with to replace it. Of course, this is the same bunch that still uses the term "borderline personality" even though the connection to the original meaning is weak at best...so, there is that whole inertia thing...
As someone who was and would never go to a psychologist to get along with myself (except if i had suicidal or homocidal tendencies for a prolonged while) i don´t have anything against these labels. i´ve been called narcisist, sociopath and borderline by various people altough i´m not offended by others being wrong about me. i´m a complex person and i have days where from some perspectives i can be seen as this or that... nevertheless i see these traits as something that can be... lets say pathological.
ReplyDeleteWhich traits are essential? Unlike many people here i don´t give a fuck about psychological terminology. As many expressed here, the science of psychoanalisis isn´t very consistent. that´s maybe the reason why i didn´t give a shit about it for many years, and still don´t take it seriously (i mean the science, not the affected people).
For me these disorders are songs in their heads on an endless loop.
Narcissists sing: i´m so cool and i´m so groovy, I LOVE ME me me me mee me me meeeeee, me me me mee me me meeeeee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzRLE33T0Gk
Sociopaths sing: I am the only important person in this world, you could be my hamurger, which i like and love, and eat and enjoy, and digest and shit out and forget. trlalalala....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfWlot6h_JM
Borderliners sing: We are meant to beeeeee together, we are so in love love love love love. I HATE YOU!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nnfCZmyU3Y
btw.: i´m anonymous 1 and not some random anon and would be thankfull for better borderline songs...
I dunno, I like my borderline stuff, but maybe it's because I learned how to hone it's power....makes me mad psychs pathologize it....I think they just want to try too hard to control people
DeleteHere ya go - these seem pretty BPD to me. I made a point of having two from guys -
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esEdC0c3YI4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuoFiIFkdAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BL_nrQxU-wE
Narcissists are definitely useful friends if played right. It is best to loosely attach yourself to them. That way, the narcissist likes you and builds you up because you are supply for him. But also, people who don't care for the narc see that you retain a separate identity.
ReplyDeleteReal personality disorders, like M.E. stated, are most certainly a collection of various traits whose larger sum equates to a useful label. I enjoy labels because it allows me to predict how people would react. I used to be a narcissist, but after I discovered what I was, a year ago at age 25, I was horrified. Later, as that mask decayed and I no longer craved supply, I saw myself for what I really am: A cold manipulator without empathy and views others as usable objects. I accept it now as it irreversible. You cannot unlearn rational behavior. That is why I identify as a sociopath; dis-empathetic subtype. We don't all fit into perfect boxes. Nevertheless, I put object-people into boxes so that I am rarely surprised by their actions.
99% of narcissists are completely unaware of what they are (like my dad). But they all fit into the same box of those who crave narc supply. And I can give it to them, because I know exactly what they need. I am more their drug dealer than drug. As a sociopath, I crave power, but more so in an indirect and influential way. That is why I'm sure that behind many great narcissistic leaders, is a sociopath who controls what they do.
What a formidable evolution you´ve done... Congratulations.
Deletemaybe next year you evolve into a psychopath and then back to a narcissist. Or maybe you´re still a narc... who knows.
That you just stated your evolution and didn´t had any meaningfull manipulative ambitions in your post suggests that you´re still a narc (like your dad), whos weaknesses where played by a socio and then delusioned yourself into evolving into a heartless narc who thinks he´s a socio. i hope your need for attentions is met by my response. what you said reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwks9NneeUM
(well and i´m the dude who thinks he´s a dude who actually knows what dude he is if he´s not brainwashing himself into knowing what dude he is or isn´t)
btw. please don´t take me as a more serious dude than i take you... dude. or me for that matter... dude i´m confused
lol. Behind the folksy narc, Bush, stands Cheny.
Delete@Anon1:
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Haha good analysis Anon 1. Perhaps it is narcissistic of me to share, but I was curious to get some input. But definitely not too worried about other opinions. But this site is always worth it.
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq-I4orlEhE
ReplyDelete...of course - my favorite...
thanks harry, the cardigans fit.
DeleteIf the cardigan fits, wear it! ;p~
DeleteGlad to help - happy Friday!
Labels are a lot like images: they describe the surface of an object but not its essence. Most labels are really names for things, things bereft of emotion, i.e., a door, a chair, a table. If the object being described is intangible, without definite material form, i.e., a person's psychological makeup, then the label is less concrete, without clearly definable borders. In other words, it's an abstraction, an idea of a thing. Thus labels always fail to grasp the inner workings of a live creature, the essence hidden beneath the surface. Labels never really capture the abstract. The word 'love' evokes lofty ideas, but what does it really mean? What does it mean to be happy? The answer you get to these questions will differ, depending on the person.
ReplyDeleteI think this hits the nail of the problem with over-identifying with any thought, idea, feeling or PD label:
"Lately I am more of the opinion that personality disorders all share certain things in common -- problems with identity and sense of self, "
We are trying to find an 'identity' and grow a 'sense of self' via a label, or by wearing a brand of clothing, etc. But when it comes to human psychology, one size does not fit all. Even the so-called 'normals' live in constant flux.
I am reading "The Psychopath Whisperer," by neuroscientist Kent A. Kiehl. His discoveries in the neuroscience of psychopathy are of some relevance to this discussion.
First, he found that many parts of the paralimbic system are abnormal in psychopaths, resulting in diminished emotional IQ, which is going to have enormous consequences regarding the legal definition of responsibility in a crime.
Secondly, he found that many (not all) 'budding psychopaths', those teens being held under supermax-like conditions and considered 'unmanageable' were able to modify their psychopathic traits after receiving intensive treatment at the Mendota Juvenile Treatment Center in Wisconsin. Using positive reinforcement, the program 'decompresses' individuals of their violent, anti-social behavior. The MJTC youth were 50% less likely to commit another violent crime than Non-MJTC youth who were instead punished to the point of extreme isolation.
This clearly shows that the brains of these budding psychopaths can be rewired, for the better given positive reinforcement versus punishment.
The brain, like our personalities, is plastic. How can we precisely pin a concrete label on anything that fluid? The spectrum model of consciousness works best so far, seems to me.
Hi Faust,
DeleteIt's the rewiring that I find interesting - and, to some degree, a challenge to the whole PD structure.
Do those subjects in Wisconsin show changed fMRI (or PET or SPECT or...) responses before and after the treatment? That would be interesting to know. If your amygdala is small, can it be "grown"? If not, where does the "compensating function" come from? How does the brain "rewire" itself?
And this leads back to the question of how far off does one have to be to be really "off" ones rocker?
Harry, Good questions. Ditto.
DeleteI just read what I quoted here, and haven't had time to read the rest of the book. According to the author, the amygdala measurement is in regards to density, neural connections. As for rewiring, I'm as curious as you are.
Back when I finish the book.
Measuring how far anyone is 'off their rocker' is, as you know, a slippery business. Will see what KK concludes. The first half of the book wasn't that engaging, but the final chapters thus far are fascinating, pure science. biology.
I'll be interested to hear if the book is worth reading - I'm just now making headway on Hare's Without Conscience.
DeleteOf course it's a slippery slope - that's part of what makes it fun. ;p~
It's worth reading, because of the sheer number of psychopathic brains he has scanned using the very best fMRI tech. Of course, these are the brains of criminal psychopaths, guys in prison or in youth detention. It's also exciting that he's already gathering scans of incarcerated female socios, which will prove interesting because, as KK and others state, women psychopaths are rare.
DeleteI found it interesting that KK seemed astonished that Brian Dugan, a convicted serial whose brain scan showed the highest abnormality his grad student, a specialist in brain density, showed no inkling of how the violence he had perpetrated hurt others. Nor could he identify with his own tragedy of being raped by John Wayne Gacy, a notorious killer of young men. He didn't feel being raped was big deal . . . imagine that.
Should read: " a convicted serial killer, whose brain scan was found by KK's grad student, a specialist in brain density, showed the highest abnormality in the paralimbic system she'd ever seen. Dugan showed no inkling . . . "
DeleteSorry. Many distractions here.
Why do you comment here faust? Are you important? Do you even matter?...oh wait the john wayne gacy comment did captivate my attention.
DeleteWhy do you comment here? Does it matter? Not to socios.
DeleteI am no one important. A run of the mill human who entertains herself with knowledge from every inch of reality's fabric. I.e., I absorb as much as I can handle, that is.
I comment because I'm interested in learning about neuroscience and PDs. Hearing the opinions of others, and sharing what I'm reading, learning.
As a retired astrologer, I find psychology, its labels and diagnosis, much the same as I do sun signs: it doesn't mean much. Some Scorpios are dark angels, fighting for the underdog, challenging the status quo. Others are . . . you name it. A psychopathic label and a sun label mean only so much' very little. I'm interested in details, not stereotypes. The conversation on SW is often interesting, when people actually choose to discuss instead of dis.
If JWG interests you, then Dugan should also interest. He survived. Albeit as a serial killer. It's fascinating to me that he has disassociated himself from his own trauma of being raped to such a marked degree. That's significant.
lolololol rofl rofl, u actually responded lololol
Deleteok ok ok ok read me...im Sagittarius, with moon in cancer, and virgo rising
Delete"If JWG interests you", oh yes yes my friend. Did you know Richard Kuklinski had a tat of the grim reaper on his arm? I just think that was so adorable. I jus wanna beep him on his cute little psychopathic nose. I luuuuv violent psychopaths :D:D I think we should dig him up, cut off the tat, and sell it to the Loved to Death shop in San Fransisco. They'll luv it. They'll totally go for it.
DeleteI will put it on the list -
Delete@Anon: I like what Faust has to say - that's good enough for me. 8)~
I fucking know dude! ya'll need to hook up
DeleteHarry, You'll enjoy the science the book contains.
DeleteAnon, Case you didn't notice -- we are hooked up. Through the internet, the Great Neural Web.
Anon: RE: Virgo Rising, etc.
DeleteLook it up.
Seriously. it's not hard to find that info on those three factors and read what they mean.
I'm not getting paid to 'read' you. Reading charts on SW is not for me in any case.
you make me sad faust...I have one feeling, and you hurt it
DeleteAnon: LOL. You're hilarious.
DeleteThis is SW.
Like I said, reading astrology charts here is not for me. No offense.
Harry,
DeleteFinished reading "The Psychopath Whisperer." KK does not mention scanning the brains of the youth who underwent treatment at the MJTC, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's presently working on that.
Interestingly, KK was a student of Hare; in fact Hare was his mentor for many years. But, unlike Hare, the author states that he believes many young psychopaths can change, given positive treatment. His work with a team of lawyers and other experts will certainly rattle some bars within the legal system, which I think will be really interesting. I don't really see this development as a way for psychopaths to get away with murder, but I do think KK's work will show diminished responsibility, and that might save some lives, as well as eventually lead to better treatment while incarcerated. I have a friend, an architect, who's writing about the ethics of building prisons, especially isolation cells and death chambers. The response he's gotten until very recently from other architects has been mostly tepid. People don't want to hear it, but they're going to have realize sooner or later that harsh punishment simply doesn't work, especially in regards to psychopaths.
Anyway, I really enjoyed the last couple chapters of KK's book. His viewpoint is compassionate. (A dirty word to use without humor on SW but there is no other that's appropriate)
Hi Faust,
DeleteI've been following some of the studies on the effects of extreme incarceration methods and the effects on the prisoner. I haven't read much that suggests that it's humane - that is for sure.
I do recall reading a snippet from Ted Kazyinsky (sp? the Unibomber) in which he said that he didn't mind the isolation - he welcomed it. Being that isolated has got to have some bad effects on a person.
My father was more or less a shut in for the last few years of his life. He de-socialized in a bad way - it wasn't pretty. He wasn't the most social guy to begin with either...
I will have to pick up the book - it sounds interesting.
I'm now about halfway through Murderous Minds, in which Kk's work is also mentioned. MM is even more in depth regarding different parts of the brain fmri. I am really enjoying getting to know the brain . . . it's fascinating.
DeleteWhilst I totally understand the urge for retribution, it's never really made that much sense to me -- torturing and then releasing abused criminals back into society is just stupid. I can only imagine what I'd be like had I endured what the incarcerated do: I'm sure I'd murder someone. Maybe I'm just saying that because I work with criminals, and sometimes they infuriate me. I don't get scared (till later, when I'm walking home late at night); my first impulse is to get mad. Thank god I've got some restraint and hate violence. (Except in movies. ;)
The scary thing for socios about this research, as presented in MM, is that it really does look like it's headed toward The Minority Report, that is, being used by parole boards to predict who will re-commit violent crimes. The technology seems almost omnipotent, but, the field is very much in its infancy, and so, it kinda reminds of the gushing praise frontal lobotomies got in the 1940s.
There's so much more we need to know. I just hope that the technology doesn't get used improperly by law enforcement and the law.
the reocurring problems with labels as expressed on this site ("yeah we call ourselves sociopaths cause thats a cool label but we can´t be called evil cause is there any evil really wtf just love us") reminds me of the argumentative problems of this dude:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHihkRwisbE
Lets burn someone alive in a 2x2 m cage just for the fun, or choke little puppies with plastic bags, or say fucked it and go to Vegas
ReplyDelete"Lets burn someone alive in a 2x2 m cage just for the fun" I could go for this
Deleteyes yes, go to vegas. You may be dealt with old school mob stylez ;) :D:D
DeleteI like the suggestion of LV - where do we meet tho? LOL!!!
Deletein the desert of course...
DeleteThere are some places off the strip in Henderson that might work...
Deletelike?
DeleteI think he died quite lovely http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/11/06/bugsy_siegel.jpg
DeleteI'm craving sushi, so I'm thinking Osaka Bistro on Eastern...
DeleteHL will you pway wif me?:D I pwomise I'll be nice :D
DeleteLet's "dance." 8)~
Deleteyeeeeey!!!!! let's go beat people up :D:D:D:D
DeleteI'll have to dig out the old Dr. Mtns.!
Deletewhat is mtns
DeleteI have death and destruction on the brain
DeleteDoc Martins. I didn't think I woulda hadta spell it out. ;)~
DeleteListening to The Beastie Boys Sabotage -
wait wait wait...I got one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtjdAl-w9Is
DeleteBackattcha!
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5e4aY-_72g
wait wait gotta get my tori on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GWb08RtuDc
DeleteAbc, Really? Whom do suggest we burn?
ReplyDeleteYou? It's your idea, after all.
I think not. We, the English speakers of the species, require the entire alphabet in order to communicate..
abc is just some dumb ass borderline from wastebook....ignore it
DeleteAnon, I would have ignored it except that the abc tag was irresistible. lol.
DeleteHi sociopathworld...pathological hugs, mua mua kisses hugs xoxoxox
ReplyDeleteWhere is SS? I miss you my wittle psychopathic Mozart ;)
ReplyDeleteMiss SS, too. Where art thou SS?
DeleteThat's like inviting ants to a picnic...
Deletenooo don't say that :/ he didn't know it, but he was my wittle psychopathic fwiend :/
DeleteA tribute to the great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrGRMabK6cE Fuck this academy awards bullshit, we should have the psychopath awards. Which one provides the greatest amount of entertainment. I nominate Richard Kuklinski.
ReplyDeletekinda glad doc scifi is gone...like that's cool when im behaving, but when im here to get ma evil on, his dumb ass morals and feelings were gittin in the way...when im here, I want no fuckin restrictions on my behavior...tired of fuckin behaving all the time
ReplyDeleteI dunno - even though DocSF and I seemed to end up crosswise, I've enjoyed the back and forth.
DeleteIn general, I like to think that I ignore moralizing - but truth be told, it's what get's me going. I love going after an argument based on some moralistic crap - I like the perimeter...
ooohhhhhh...what's the drama :D:D:D:D:D what happened??
DeleteNothing of any significance - we debated a few topics and didn't manage to change each others mind - at the end it usually looked like we were having different conversations.
DeleteNothing but respect for DocSF - Peace!
He was so....not....PD
Deletelike I don't think he got what it is he was messin with :P
Deleteim not a hater, but not sure I share ur sentiments....
DeleteAs far as studying female psychopaths faust, I suspect we'll have a "cure" before we get to know all the fun stuff. We get a little bit of a peak behind the curtain on this site at least....oh and there's always Deadly Women :D:D:D luv that show
DeleteI watch Deadly Women, too. Fascinating to watch the weaker sex work around their apparent frailty. lol. Black widows in particular. How do they manage to knock off several husbands before getting caught? How looks do deceive males in particular.
Deleteyea........:D:D:D:D I like ur thinking
DeleteOne of my favorites was when some twisted fuck (and I say that with affection) was bangin all kindsa dudes, and kept getting caught by her husband (luv the insufferable pain it caused him), and he kept forgiving her hoping she would change. Then she started injecting him with arsenic poisoning hahahha. Then he finally died a slow, painful, miserable death while she put on a façade of being a caring, compassionate wife giving injections the “doctor prescribed”. Then she did it to her own daughter, but the she got busted by a doc before she could kill her kid so she bounced, and went to another state, and found a guy to prey on, and changed her whole identity. Then told some story about how she was dying, and left, and came back as her “twin sister” lololol….luv it….so twisted.
DeleteOn a whole separate path - has anyone else seen Mean Guns? It is a fun romp of violence. If you dig, you might even find a message.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwwmOtFx5CQ
I've long had a crush on Deborah Van Valkenburgh -
I have a crush on David Gandy. I wanna abuse and subjugate him. Who outlawed slavery? That's just lame...
DeleteLOL!!! He is a hunk and then some - go to town cowgirl!!! (I am assuming girl - cowboy is good too. smirk)
Deleteok ima go atone for all the bad things I said on psychopathworld
ReplyDeleteThis might sound like a stupid question,but is any of this in relation to me ie. messin with
ReplyDeleteI'm very worried about M.E. M.E should only continue with this blog if it
ReplyDeleteENHANCES her life, or if she intends to write another book, and doing the blog
helps in that regard.
I see no signs at all that M.E. is recieving love, (Husband, children, etc...) or
even knows what love is. She can fob it off on her "sociopathic" condition, but at
the end of the day, anyone who conducts a genuine character study on M.E.
knows she is no sociopath.
M.E. (And you to.) must listen to the songs from the rock group "Bread." Then
you will know what the real meaning of love is. Lionel Richie and Al Greene too.
There was this old guy I used to know, he was in his 50's. He was kind of strange. Had a business, and a lot of money, but was weird about women. He was like a midget or something, and only 5'0 tall, and had to wear high heel shoes to be taller so I guess he got made fun of his whole life by women. As you can imagine, no one would fuck him. He would develop infatuations with some weird women. He lost a leg about a year ago. Had to have it amputated because he has diabetes. I call him One-Eyed Willy now with his wooden leg. Are you that guy?
DeleteDoes anyone have a link to that video of that pilot that isis burned alive? It's totally not for entertainment purposes btw...
ReplyDeleteIt's not for entertainment purposes? So you're going to crank down to it?
Deletehttp://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/02/04/warning-graphic-complete-isis-video-of-pilot-burned-to-death/
oh hells no...I wanna hear the screams
Deletelol there was even background music...I didn't get the full effect of the screams
DeleteThe thought has crossed my mind before about labels and diagnoses. Can a diagnostic label reliably describe an individual's mental state? Does the label of "Narcissist" or "Borderline" serve as a one-size-fits-all label for whoever meets a certain amount of criteria?
ReplyDeleteHuman beings are a bit complicated that way. My doctor sits opposite me with a checklist, and I'm wondering how much she's considering me as an individual instead of just a list of symptoms she can play connect the dots with until she reaches a diagnoses.
I'm not even sure there's a better way to do it. Some people could take a long, long time, with many appointments and sessions before their doctor/therapist can really discover the real full picture. A diagnostic label like Narcissist or BPD may just serve as short-hand to give them a place to start?
Does anyone else think these "narcissists" are really just high functioning borderlines? Whatever, doesn't matter. Glad to see her ideas about this stuff are evolving. I remember a few months ago I was talking about my mom's behavior to a psychologist, and she said "maybe she is a narcissist". I said, uh no, she's a high functioning bpd. The things puppy basket described about her mom were the kinds of disturbed things I had to go through too, and she kept calling her mom a narcissist. Then when doc scifi posted that journal article written by the psychiatrist about "narcissists", I thought, this just describes bpd. Anyway, there is just too much complexity in humans to try to shove them in to one little teeny tiny itty bitty category. My mom always says, you're not bpd, you're something else. My brother is a classic whiny, bitchy, cry baby borderline.
ReplyDeleteis anyone else sick to death of talking about pd's? like can't we just burn and destroy shit already? it would give us all something to do rather than contemplating what our problems are :D:D
Deletehow do we delete comments...I should prolly delete some comments otherwise the government will be knocking on my door harassing poow wittle me instead of doing things that make sense like fixing the economy
DeleteA classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt7mJtwH1N8
DeleteWhat's psychopath whisperer? I'll hafta read this. Sounds pretty bold. Like he has control somehow. I don't think anyone controls a psychopath. I was hoping to find someone to pway wif on this site today, but no one is here.... :/
ReplyDeleteCould be a "Bee Keeper": a psychopathic individual with strong charisma that can sweet talk to other psychopathic individuals despite the fact that 2 psychopaths in a room often are 1 too much..?
Deleteyeeeey someone to pway wif.....mua mua mua kisses :):) Beekeeper makes me think of the tori amos album.
DeleteA Bee Keeper is like a bat hanging from a rafter in the backlegs, but still manages to give a favourable impression..
Deleteyea......who knows how tori meant it
DeleteWhy havent the psychopaths been evolved more by media? No reality-shows with psychos, just the same old tired movie "serial killers"? Serial murder & psychopathy really has been glued together, reality is probably that more lust-murderers are deviant empaths. Like its still 1992. Like a motorbike buried in mud. Old sociopaths talk about furniture, why is there no such tv? "My friend with zero empathy", when will this be on cable tv?
ReplyDeleteIf a PD comes a cross a PD that has a degree of hate and violence that only another PD can understand, is that empathy?
ReplyDeletewas the abc comments for me?
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