A sociopathic identifying reader whom I had previously had a conversation with recently sent me this update:
I was recently released from my graduate program in psychology, more than halfway through my program. I assure you that I was not released due to low grades, I don't struggle in that area. I was released due to flat affect. They felt that I didn't make a good fit. After being told of my release of the program, my professor grew frustrated because I didn't react much to the news. I didn't feel like becoming self-destructive or venting. I had already gotten on good terms with a professor from another school who will transfer me to his program. I made friends with this professor for this reason. Is that manipulative or just smart thinking? When my professor was telling me about my release from the program he looked concern for my well being. All I could do was stare at him and think what it would be like to bite his lips off his face in front of the other professors. This reminded me of an excerpt in your book. Just thought I would share.
I don't know why, but I was a little shocked and pretty disheartened to read this. I guess in some ways it makes sense, particularly if you assume that all sociopaths will cause harm -- it's not a matter if if, it's when and who and how. But is that assumption really warranted? (By the way, I just recently got an email from a secondary school student doing research into what makes sociopaths want to kill. Good question, except it's almost as nonsensical as asking something like what makes black people want to kill? Or even more starkly, what makes men want to kill? See here, here, and here regarding the very lopsided statistics regarding gender/race and propensity to commit violent crime.) There are people with autism that study and contribute to the greater understanding of autism as well as helping others with autism. There are people who are schizophrenics who do the same. Is there really no room in psychology for psychopaths?
When I asked him if I could let people know what happened to him here, he indicated that he was concerned that some would assume that psychology must be filled with evil psychopaths, so gave this explanation as to why he was interested:
As far back as I can remember, there has always been an appeal to power and saving lives. I have specifically chosen to work with the traumatized. Sitting across the room from someone with PTSD, is pure fantasy for me. It's like a fairy tale. A wounded bird has been put before me, and I have the power to step on it or fix it. Of course I fix it, because it's something that friends and family were most likely not able to do. In return, I set it free to take its place back in the environment. Because of me, I have ensured survival for its offspring. I have given the tools and psychoeducation so that one can cope and participate in life. It will be passed on through nurture and eventually become part of its nature.
I was recently released from my graduate program in psychology, more than halfway through my program. I assure you that I was not released due to low grades, I don't struggle in that area. I was released due to flat affect. They felt that I didn't make a good fit. After being told of my release of the program, my professor grew frustrated because I didn't react much to the news. I didn't feel like becoming self-destructive or venting. I had already gotten on good terms with a professor from another school who will transfer me to his program. I made friends with this professor for this reason. Is that manipulative or just smart thinking? When my professor was telling me about my release from the program he looked concern for my well being. All I could do was stare at him and think what it would be like to bite his lips off his face in front of the other professors. This reminded me of an excerpt in your book. Just thought I would share.
I don't know why, but I was a little shocked and pretty disheartened to read this. I guess in some ways it makes sense, particularly if you assume that all sociopaths will cause harm -- it's not a matter if if, it's when and who and how. But is that assumption really warranted? (By the way, I just recently got an email from a secondary school student doing research into what makes sociopaths want to kill. Good question, except it's almost as nonsensical as asking something like what makes black people want to kill? Or even more starkly, what makes men want to kill? See here, here, and here regarding the very lopsided statistics regarding gender/race and propensity to commit violent crime.) There are people with autism that study and contribute to the greater understanding of autism as well as helping others with autism. There are people who are schizophrenics who do the same. Is there really no room in psychology for psychopaths?
When I asked him if I could let people know what happened to him here, he indicated that he was concerned that some would assume that psychology must be filled with evil psychopaths, so gave this explanation as to why he was interested:
As far back as I can remember, there has always been an appeal to power and saving lives. I have specifically chosen to work with the traumatized. Sitting across the room from someone with PTSD, is pure fantasy for me. It's like a fairy tale. A wounded bird has been put before me, and I have the power to step on it or fix it. Of course I fix it, because it's something that friends and family were most likely not able to do. In return, I set it free to take its place back in the environment. Because of me, I have ensured survival for its offspring. I have given the tools and psychoeducation so that one can cope and participate in life. It will be passed on through nurture and eventually become part of its nature.
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DeleteIf what they are saying is true, is it legal to release someone from their graduate program, due to "flat affect" and "not being a good fit"???
ReplyDeleteI identify as a sociopath. Recently I've been exploring ideas for different career paths, and have been speaking with a career counselor. I tell her I'm interested in working closely with people, perhaps as a social worker or counselor myself. She's aware of my personality traits that I felt inclined to divulge, and she said someone like myself who doesn't have that emotional empathy can't possibly be successful in those fields. I'm confident in the fact that my cognitive empathy is just fine for this; how else would so many of my friends that I lend an ear to tell me I would make an excellent counselor? I already have my own processes of efficiently working with other people's emotions, that's simply a facet of what sociopathy is. We inquire about their state, take note of what emotions we observe, get reaffirmation of their state, then seek to provide a feasible solution and validate their current state; we mould them into something that suits us.
ReplyDelete"As far back as I can remember, there has always been an appeal to power and saving lives. I have specifically chosen to work with the traumatized. Sitting across the room from someone with PTSD, is pure fantasy for me. It's like a fairy tale. A wounded bird has been put before me, and I have the power to step on it or fix it."
Yes, exactly. There's certainly the factor of power involved, the stroking of one's own ego like mental masturbation. It's delicious.
My psychologist never showed affective empathy.
DeleteHe did teach me to unpick the locks of other people's moral and control structures and to treat others as objects (his words!) in the environment.
His was cognitive empathy, independent thinking and reasonably skilled practice. It was perfectly evident his primary concern was his business and not my welfare.
But emotional investment in patients would simply be too draining.
As you point out, a psychopath / sociopath is well equipped to analyse current state and shift to target state.
Any psychologist is in a position of power and can inculcate their own ideologies or any silly cognitive practices they personally adhere to. The concern here is putting someone with a proclivity to damage in a position of power over a vulnerable person - M.E.'s question of assuming sociopaths will inevitably harm.
The palpable buzz of will-to-power in your writing raises some flags. How could you resist playing or creating cash cows! That would be the thinking.
It may be likely or even probable that therapists choose their vocation for reasons other than desire to assist others. The difference - and I think this is really the major difference, the only warranted concern we have about psychopaths- is the pleasure a psychopath takes in the pain of others.
What evidence is there for each case? What do you think the risks are? Those red flags I spoke of, like hair standing up on the back of the neck, are deeper than reason and people would expect a very solid case to mitigate those deep fear triggers.
Re your last para: Doctors probably feel this same thrill from healing a flailing organism. Must feel amazing.
Oh, I don't think research fields pose this problem. Psychopaths would probably contribute immensely. We'd uncover so many assumptions in our understanding of the human condition.
DeleteI identify as a sociopath. Recently I've been exploring ideas for different career paths, and have been speaking with a career counselor. I tell her I'm interested in working closely with people, perhaps as a social worker or counselor myself. "
DeleteYou know what makes people tick. You have an uncanny ability to see through the lies people tell themselves, and others. It fulfills you to expose their vulnerable underbellies.
"She's aware of my personality traits that I felt inclined to divulge"
In your narcissism, do not divulge too much. Find a safe place to drop the "masks"- where you can integrate all your contradictory facets.
"and she said someone like myself who doesn't have that emotional empathy can't possibly be successful in those fields."
You can be more successful than most in these fields by on account of your piercing insight, and capacity to *see* people- right through the stories they may tell you- and identify their true strengths and weaknesses. Store that information up as potential ammo. You never know when it might become useful. :)
" I'm confident in the fact that my cognitive empathy is just fine for this; how else would so many of my friends that I lend an ear to tell me I would make an excellent counselor?"
But only when you feel like it... 'Cause let's face it... you don't *really* give a shit. ;)
"I already have my own processes of efficiently working with other people's emotions, that's simply a facet of what sociopathy is."
I've often said that sociopaths are effortlessly and even sometimes unconsciously manipulative. It is simply our default mode of operation.
" We inquire about their state, take note of what emotions we observe, get reaffirmation of their state, then seek to provide a feasible solution and validate their current state; we mould them into something that suits us."
Precisely. Build them up, break them down.... To benefit us, or them, or better yet- both parties.
I am not very fond of labels, but I am good at reading people. From what you have written here, I would agree with your self-identification as a sociopath.
"As far back as I can remember, there has always been an appeal to power and saving lives. "
Yeah. I used to want to be a surgeon, but I suck at math. :P
I started my own thing, which was for the best. Ultimately, I could never stand to work under anyone else's authority. My sociopathy has a strong antisocial undercurrent.
I would highly recommend becoming an entrepreneur- especially considering how comfortable you are with risk. Another assumption, but an accurate one, I trust.
Delete"I have specifically chosen to work with the traumatized. Sitting across the room from someone with PTSD, is pure fantasy for me. It's like a fairy tale. A wounded bird has been put before me, and I have the power to step on it or fix it."
^Delicious.
Careful with that axe, Eugene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT44cUPZQ2o&feature=youtube_gdata_player (^"One of these days I'm going to cut you into little pieces", Pink Floyd)
Don't bite any lips off, now. ;)
If you choose to become a counselor, the weakness of your clients will irritate you. Perhaps I am projecting, or being presumptuous in saying this, but I suspect that you will get bored and/or annoyed listening to people whine about their problems all day. The urge to toy with them will soon become irresistible.
You may want to consider managing people, to harness their strengths towards specific ends, whilst "counseling" them informally. If you do this within the framework of your own company, project, or initiative, you can influence others towards the goals of your choosing- whilst holding yourself accountable to a desired, self-defined outcome. You can use your charisma, charm, intelligence and eloquence to boldly pursue your agenda.
Find ways to sublimate your sociopathic propensities. (This place is fun.... Lots of juicy targets passing through.) And never underestimate the power of good, kinky sex that is focused on visceral, consensual power exchange.
"Yes, exactly. There's certainly the factor of power involved, the stroking of one's own ego like mental masturbation. "
Mmm. ;)
"It's delicious."
Fuck, yeah.
Acquire power. Use it to benefit yourself, and others. Whenever possible, seek to foster win-win scenarios
Maybe we just figured it out!!! Maybe the main difference between "psycopaths/sociopaths" and "normals" is basically that "psychopaths/sociopaths" enjoy "mentally masturbating" other people, more than "normals" do. Not that "normals" don't enjoy "mentally masturbating" others sometimes, just maybe not quite as much. We all probably enjoy sexual maturbation equally.:) What does everybody think???
ReplyDeleteWe could come up with a clinical definition based on that, and submit it for consideration.:)
ReplyDeleteI hope "A" sees this posting. It is my last one. I hope it gets through.
ReplyDeleteI am the "Casey Anthony Boy."
As I antisapated, I've worn out my welcome here. It is virtually impossible to
post here now because of tecnical difficulities. Wheter it's due To M.E. or fate
I see I have to go.
"A' you are the truest example of a Christian I know. I love you so, and no living
woman compares to you. I only hope your husband knows how fortunate he is.
You know who I am so you can Google my name anytime. I won't forget you
and hope to see you in the next world.
My tribute song to you is "Love, Look What You've Done To Me," by Boz Skaggs. Good-bye my love.
You know... I have called you on your weakness, and told you that your so-called "repugnance" is self-imposed. I have called you on the lies you have uttered to glean attention here. I have toyed with you on account of your sexual masochism- which to me is not repulsive at all, but rather delicious.
DeleteYou don't have to stop posting here. And you don't have to pretend that "technical difficulties" restrain you, or bemoan the fact that "nobody wants you around, anyway". This is passive aggressive bullshit. You just need a bit more self-confidence.
I can see beauty where others do not. And in another life, I might have proved it. ;)
But for now, I wish you all the best.
Be well.
I obviously haven't been visiting this blog long enough. What was the above post all about???
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 9:55 am. This is a blog for crazy and dysfunctional people. Asking what any particular post is about is like asking why it is raining. The world is what it is. The entire human species is crazy. Just some of us are a little crazier than others (and there is no "gold standard" for sanity). I suggest you write a post and the rest of us crazy people can try to determine if it makes any sense.
ReplyDeleteI've missed you too, Radical Agnostic.
DeleteYou might like this:
"We are irrational beings capable of rational thought."
"I have specifically chosen to work with the traumatized. Sitting across the room from someone with PTSD, is pure fantasy for me. It's like a fairy tale. A wounded bird has been put before me, and I have the power to step on it or fix it."
ReplyDeleteWhen (and if) he starts working with people with PTSD, he's going to have a rude awakening. He'll be in a situation where PTSD is adaptive, and a lot of the patients will spot him immediately.
It's not THAT easy, pal!
It's ironic that somehow everyone neglects the fact that a sociopath / psychopath is almost certainly a pathological liar and even if they're not - they CAN lie at will at any moment. If a psycho / socio wants sincere advice, I'd tell them to speak to me in person. I can read people very well and have gotten far better now that I'm normal (freed from my recent trauma) and believe in God. In person you don't get this sort of contradiction and nonsense if you implore them enough. Your sociopath wants to be a psychiatrist, wanted to bite off his professor's lips for actually giving him a look of concern. This reminds me of a socio ex-friend who'd get pissed ONLY when I asked him how he was feeling post-molly. It's only a mystery if you avoid the one & only explanation for psychopathy and look for answers in the pseudo science known as psychology (I've dealt with psychologists for almost 6 years now).
ReplyDeleteI do NOT know ultimately what is this person's agenda or why they get certain impulses and why they're behaving in certain ways. Here's what I am confident about tho: this guy hates genuine empathy / concern so when he saw it in his professor's face he was repulsed and felt what he felt. As to why he wants to be a psychiatrist - it is in direct contradiction to what he said earlier. How on earth is it EVER possible that a sane person can at one instance desire to harm someone for no reason except that they genuine are concerned for their WELL BEING but then turn around and desire to join an entire profession to help the helpless, poor PTSD cases. It is ONLY possible if 1) psychopathy is a brain disease leading to such contradictory thoughts and behavior, 2) psychopathy is what I claim it is: the ultimate result of taking the road to hell - following the devil's path.
If you seen GOOD WILL HUNTING you should pick up an obvious fact which very few, if any psychologists, want to admit (or know): mental health is dependent on genuine concern & care for people - NOT some Freudian nonsense about childhood attractions to relatives nor the whole host of BS "disorders" now listed in the DSM. And yes, I agree that psychos should NOT be allowed in psychology - it'll make a pseudo science even worse. That won't stop them of course - any intelligent psychopath will easily get in. In fact I'd claim that psychopaths (as opposed to sociopaths per my definition) are disproportionately higher in percentages in this profession already. Real people who really care to help others don't need science to tell them how to cure "mental" problems (except mental disease which is undoubtedly real).
ReplyDeleteChildhood trauma explains why an otherwise sane and healthy mind would became in self-destructive and sociopathic ways. It does NOT explain the trauma itself. Why did the parents (or whoever it was that traumatized the child) behaved in that manner towards an innocent child. Psychologists will say because they themselves were disturbed. That's obvious and is not what is asked in my question. I'm asking where does it start? I've had a lot of problems in my life but I was never envious of those who didn't have them nor hated others and certainly did not have any impulse to cause harm to others - especially if they were children (innocent) or have done good to me. Think people - use your OWN reason. I promise you it will suffice in the end unless you have a sickness of the heart (pride & arrogance).
ReplyDeleteHow will this writer "fix" the PTSD case in ways his family / friends can't? You don't have to spill your "secret" but do enlighten us so we can at least see if your claim makes sense.
ReplyDelete"As far back as I can remember, there has always been an appeal to power and saving lives."
ReplyDeleteSincere readers: heed the age old warning: those who seek power should not be given it. Why I wonder should they not be given power? Because they will be "saving lives"?
Psychopaths are used in psychology, but from an angle of case study and interviews. That was how the FBI developed their serial killer profiling unit.
ReplyDeleteI realize that just because one is a sociopath, does not mean that they will criminally offend, just as there are plenty of criminal offenders who are "normal" people. If one is able to live their life as a sociopath without doing harm to another, that is excellent and commendable that they've stayed on the path of "good".
However, and I realize this comes from a place of prejudice, those of us who are "normal" don't know how to trust that a sociopath will not falter from their path. Trust is a major factor in the relationship between doctor and patient.
"However, and I realize this comes from a place of prejudice, those of us who are "normal" don't know how to trust that a sociopath will not falter from their path. Trust is a major factor in the relationship between doctor and patient."
DeleteThis is true. On the other hand, how do you if/when a "normal" will not falter from the path.
Doors of perception and operation swing both ways. The socio, lacking emotional 'grounding' can still make a rational choice of self interest which serves the collective well being. It's a choice they have to struggle with more than most, given their propensities.
Trust is an issue with any being with a mammalian brain stem. I would speculate that socios understand the issue of trust more deeply than do neurotypicals or empaths.
Mr. Hyde
Ah, there you are, Mr. Hyde!!! You have been missed.:)
DeleteHere cones the squealing fan girls and boys. " Oh Hyde senpai, notice me!"
DeleteI'm sure I'm not the only one who's noticed that people tend to like people who are nice, trustworthy and "self-sacrificial." If you come across someone who is too nice and too caring and too giving and it is apparent that they are not idiots who don't know what they're doing, then something moves inside you. You genuinely appreciate that. In fact, it actually makes you a somewhat better person because it inspires you, even if it's ever so lightly. That is also why people who suffer and act bravely & "honorably" humble us and motivate us to take action (i.e. Dr. King, Nelson Mandela etc). Ask yourself why? What do these people have that most people don't? It's EMPATHY (and more but that's "subjective").
Delete"However, and I realize this comes from a place of prejudice, those of us who are "normal" don't know how to trust that a sociopath will not falter from their path. Trust is a major factor in the relationship between doctor and patient."
So when I first suspected that my ex-friend and some family members were actually sociopathic, my reaction was: 1) well that explains a lot and it's unfortunate for them and me, 2) why didn't they just tell me before? I wouldn't hold it against them. Mind you this is AFTER YEARS of deception & betrayal by the ones in my own family. I did not have any animosity towards them anymore because I thought I got an answer which "cleared" them. All the needless suffering was just an unfortunate happenstance which I became a victim of.
I literally treated it like a natural variation in the human experience (kind of like how I viewed my homosexual orientation) which is frankly dangerous but ultimately beyond a person's control. I tried to work it out with them. I suggested that they trust me - since my track record with them proves that I have no motive to do them any harm or lie to them - and never lie to me. I will keep their "secret" and they should not tell me of any wrongdoing that I will be uncomfortable with. I seriously meant it - I thought I could be reasonable and these people victims of nature would trust me because surely they don't want to be alone and hide all the time. You guessed it: they thought I was stupid and tried to ta
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DeleteTried to take advantage and get the "upper hand" again in just so they would be smarter and know more. Arrogance as always.
DeleteNice to be back, Anon.
DeleteFlattery soothes my savage breast. ;))
Since I am unfamiliar with anime and had to look up the catchphrase, I believe you are the senpai . . . too.
However, I prefer purring to squealing.
Mr. Hyde
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DeleteSenpai inception?
North missed you, too, Mr. Hyde.:) I am also unfamiliar with anime, and had to look up the catchphrase.:) You flatter me, Mr. Hyde.:) Purring is definitely preferential to squealing.:) How is Beastie Boy this evening?
DeletePS-I was thinking of you, Mr. Hyde, since I had previously offered Stone Temple Pilot's, as a music recommendation.:) Scott Weiland-the lead singer, was found dead.:( I was lucky to have seen them in concert once, and their song "Plush", will always be a special "love song" for me.:)
DeleteHad to listen to "Plush".:) Oh, that voice...
Delete...and "Creep" and "Vasoline"...he was a true talent and performer.:) Too bad, I won't be able to see him live again.:( RIP, Scott Weiland...
DeleteHe was BEAUTIFUL!!!
DeleteJUST AWESOME!!! Just listened to "Wicked Garden" acoustic.:)
Delete...Sex Type Thing, Interstate Love Song...SO MANY GOOD SONGS!!!
DeleteThe whole albums of "Core" and "Purple" are AWESOME!!! My "ode" to STP.:)
DeleteMr. Hyde-Shall I call you "Senpai" now???
DeleteI had a lot of hot sex in my car, to that "Vasoline" album!!! HA!!! LOL!!! I know that was random, but Superchick inspired me.:) Speaking of which, Superchick-did you buy some "Realm" yet?
Deletehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aTcJWhmdzpg
ReplyDelete"My lips feel warm to the touch
My words seem so alive
My skin is warm to caress
I'll control and hypnotise
You've taught me to lie
Without a trace
And to kill with no remorse
On the outside I'm the greatest guy
Now I'm dead inside"
:D It's not only sociopaths who get the impulse to maim/kill. The important point, as I see it, is that the OP resisted the impulse. The same applies to anyone in a similar moment.
ReplyDelete"Asking whyou Black people kill" Are you serious?
ReplyDeleteRace is not associated with a lack of empathy, low affect, manipulation, torture for entertainment; sociopathy is. Nowhere in the DSM does it say a person's race is indicative of mental illness.
And no, I won't get off my high horse, I stay permanently planted atop it in the event another sociopath attempts to target me because my empathetic nature is mistaken for weakness!
Crimes of passion?
DeleteJihadi Jon said:
ReplyDelete"No doubt many, if not all, of these characters are what traditionally were called "Devils." These people certainly deserve HELL and that is what the Quran says."
"Jonaid, I agree with a lot of what Islam says but I feel a little uncomfortable with XYZ about Muhammad. I read the full context and this is what it is, if I'm not mistaken. Could you please advise why you think that is the case and why it is not wrong?"
"A little uncomfortable?" LOL. Allow me to translate: "Unless I dance a little jig to avoid offending you by stating unequivocally that Mohammed committed the horrors he did, and that no context can justify his actions, it is proof that I am a devil worshipper. Unless I communicate in a manner that you approve of, I am a demon."
Do you have any idea how absurd you sound? XD
I don't have to conform to your expectations of "civility". I have no obligation to approach you with deference out of respect for the horrific and immoral teachings you follow.
J.J: "unless your trauma came from Muhammad you have no justification to rail against him. It's just a strong hint that you're bashing him and using your story (real or fake) to justify it."
Bashing him how, exactly? By proving from *your own* scriptures that Mohammed brutally murdered his dissenters, advocated the rape of female prisoners, and beheaded people for offending him? These are historically verifiable facts. I'm just cutting through your lies and propaganda.
I do have justification to rail against him. I am speaking on behalf of all the little girls getting mutilated to uphold his so-called "teachings"... On behalf of all the queer men he murdered, on behalf of all the Christian and Jewish infidels he beheaded and crucified. Right now, I am acting as a voice for all voiceless victims of the atrocities he and his followers waged, and continue to wage, in the name of God, under the banner of "peace".
J.J: "Here's irony for you: psychos angry at me for being hurt because I say "infuriating" things about psychopathy. Shouldn't you have your emotions in check? Oh wait so there is a limit for you too?"
DeleteNo, Jonaid. Irony is the fact that you think that *anything* you say has the capacity to infuriate us. Irony is that fact that you accuse me of spreading lies and misinformation whilst defending a man who was a rapist, a pedophile, and a murderer.
I am not angry at you one bit. No matter how scathing my remarks here, they do not stem from fury. I enjoy confrontation, and I particularly relish sinking my claws into guys like you. That is why I come here. I get that you have trouble understanding that. We are not wired the same way. But I am doing one of the things I like do best, here. I wouldn't bother, otherwise.
J.J: "You're hurt when YOUR kind - the sick and evil and the basest of humanity - are called out in a GENERIC way."
My kind? Your prophet was "my kind"- and as you can tell, I'm not very fond of him. ;)
You need to get something straight. Nothing you say to me here CAN hurt me, or any of us who identify as sociopaths, here. We have not accorded you that power, and we don't give a rat's ass what you think.
Insult me all you want. Even your calling me a devil worshipping demon doesn't hurt me. Frankly, it amuses me- and proves the point I have been making all along. You're just making my job easier. ;)
So you can ignore me- masking your cowardice, intellectual incompetence, and weakness in self-righteous indignation- but I see right through it, and I will call you on it, every time. That is what I do here. And you have become my new favourite chew toy. :D
J.J: "If I call liars liars that hurts you so I should stop?"
If I call Mohammed exactly what he was: a killer who had sex with little girls, and it hurts you. Should I stop?
Grow a pair, already. If you have what you consider a rational, legitimate rebuttal based on substance, as opposed to the emotional reactivity you have demonstrated here, by all means, share it. Just know that I will rip it to shreds. I know the Quran and Hadith better than you do. I am not debating you from a position of ignorance.
J.J: "This is the definition of arrogance: when you start thinking that THAT will work as a strategy. People believe you because they don't want to believe people can lie like this - NOT because they're fooled or stupid. That's why when you're "outed" you run away instead of mounting a defense."
Lol, what classic projection. YOU'RE the one eschewing confrontation, running away from legitimate criticism, and failing to mount any kind of defense!
You're a pussy, Jihadi. Ripping through you is like shooting fish in a barrel. XD
You know with each passing day my belief in God is getting more and more solidified. It's nothing short of a "miracle" for me than in two months I'm as firmly based in God as I once was in atheism. Look inside yourself "A" and whoever else has any remnants of humanity in them. What kind of a person have you become? Look, just look once objectively if possible, at what you write, HOW you write, and WHY you write. Is this how you want to live? Sure you're getting away with it since you're anonymous but in the end you know who you are and what you're putting out.
ReplyDeleteIf you actually believe what you say (and I doubt that very much unless you're completed deluded) at least take into consideration one thing: 1.6 billion people love this man you vehemently criticize. You can believe what you like about him but at least have some courtesy for the people you think are "deluded" by him and put your criticism in a more respectful way. Surely you don't think that 1.6 billion people are evil or deserve to hear what you say in the manner you say it. I say this as someone who only 6 months or so ago suggested to a friend that he work on a hideously derogatory drawing of Muhammad and Jesus. I've been there (albeit I've never actually stooped to that level - of actually doing anything) in spirit but God protected me from ever actually doing anything offensive - no matter how much I hated Islam I didn't feel justified offending people who, I thought, were genuinely deluded into the religion.
It may be that God may turn you into an equally strong proponent of that which you despise today. It is beautiful how He guides - it is not describable, not provable but only to be experienced if you ask for it and deserve it. If nothing else trust me on this and try it. You have nothing to lose. Don't stay miserable and feign happiness and power and courage here. It's not real no matter how much you think it is or how many people you fool.
"Is this how you want to live?"
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"I was always an unusual girl. My mother told me I had a chameleon soul, no moral compass pointing due north, no fixed personality; just an inner indecisiveness that was as wide and as wavering as the ocean... Who are you?
Are you in touch with all of your darkest fantasies?
Have you created a life for yourself where you can experience them?
I have. I am fucking crazy.
But I am free."
J.J: "What kind of a person have you become?"
DeleteThe kind of person who initiates and directs growing, thriving non-profits that feed poor Muslim kids from the projects every week.
How's that for irony, Jonaid? :)
J.J: " Look, just look once objectively if possible, at what you write, HOW you write, and WHY you write. Is this how you want to live?"
As for the WHY: I am writing in defense of generations of victims produced by Mohammed's vile example.
As for the HOW: I am using my voice aggressively and unapologetically- refusing to whitewash a toxic ideology out of feigned respect for a mass murderer, because I will not be intimidated or silenced into Islam's version of "submission" by the radicalized percentage of the 1.6 billion DELUDED people who love someone more UNWORTHY of that devotion than virtually anyone who has ever lived.
And I am countering your deceptive proselytizing efforts here, using your OWN so called "holy" scriptures. That I am having a hellova a good time mopping the figurative floor of this blog with your posts is just a bonus.
So yeah. This is *EXACTLY* how I want to live, but to quote you, thanks for your "concern". :)
J.J: "Sure you're getting away with it since you're anonymous but in the end you know who you are and what you're putting out."
"Getting away with"? What a revealing statement.
I have said everything I am saying to you here quite vocally and publically. And I will continue to stand for and put out TRUTH as I understand it.
Don't like my approach? Too fucking bad.
J.J: "If you actually believe what you say (and I doubt that very much unless you're completed deluded) at least take into consideration one thing: 1.6 billion people love this man you vehemently criticize."
So what? That doesn't make them right.
J.J: "You can believe what you like about him but at least have some courtesy for the people you think are "deluded" by him and put your criticism in a more respectful way."
Why should I? Mohammed hasn't done anything to earn my respect, only my disdain. He put to DEATH those who criticized him. Is that courteous? By his standards, I am being downright magnanimous. :P
J.J: "Surely you don't think that 1.6 billion people are evil or deserve to hear what you say in the manner you say it."
On the contrary, I think they need to hear it in EXACTLY the manner I'm saying it. People should stop pussyfooting around Islam.
You demand respect, but show none to those who embrace different ideologies, seeking instead to revoke our fundamental human rights and freedoms through the forced imposition of a legislative theocracy. Fuck you.
J.J: "It may be that God may turn you into an equally strong proponent of that which you despise today. It is beautiful how He guides - it is not describable, not provable but only to be experienced if you ask for it and deserve it.
Deserve it? Ha!
That is the whole point of grace. None of us merit salvation. Jesus showed us that we cannot earn what God offers as a free gift; we can only receive it. That is the central message of the cross.
You can't force someone to accepting a gift, nor should you attempt to manipulate them into doing so. That is yet another reason I don't preach or proselytize. I respect the rights and freedoms of others to believe (or disbelieve) as they so choose. It is not for me to try to change their minds, nor judge them on that basis.
J.J: "And that if nothing else trust me on this and try it. You have nothing to lose."
I neither trust you, nor have any need of your false god. Christ's loss was my gain. I'm not swallowing your bullshit- and, according to the resounding consensus of this blog- neither is anyone else.
Peddle your Islamofascism elsewhere. We're not buying what you're selling, here.
Well that puts me in my place. I guess I should have stuck to my original plan: avoiding you. You're hopeless - at least for me. You can do as you wish - for now. Time flies and in the end you'll know you made a ridiculously stupid choice...but for now go on make yourself feel special.
DeleteDamnit Jonaid, you're so weak. Engage some of my points, or at least show proper submission by admitting that I have some damned good ones. :P
DeleteI am not special.
I do not deserve any of what I have been blessed with.
And good fucking luck avoiding me. :D
Reply directly to what I posted below if you dare. I have plenty of that to bring. That's the only kind of response you'll get from me now. No one can say it better than God Himself.
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DeleteI know this wasn't addressed to me per se, but it intrigued me, so I hope you don't mind if I respond to it:
"I have no fixed personality; just an inner indecisiveness that was as wide and as wavering as the ocean... Who are you?"
I love the ocean. It changes all the time, but it is always powerful.
"Are you in touch with all of your darkest fantasies?"
Yes.
"Have you created a life for yourself where you can experience them?"
Yes.
"I have."
How?
"I am fucking crazy."
Me too.
"But I am free."
You sure about that? ;)
"I'm not swallowing your bullshit- and, according to the resounding consensus of this blog- neither is anyone else."
DeleteTrue. A thousand times true, A.
“It is *YOU* who strains at gnats whilst swallowing whole caravans of Mohammed's camels.”
I really like your frolicsome take on this “segment.”
Here is a revealing find that I "dug up." Is this what 6.1 billion people respect and follow? They must be living under a gargantuan, illiterate rock! I laughed while reading every single line of it.
Again, is this Islam? Truthfully, yes. Take a look:
Volume 7, Book 67, Number 403:
Narrated Ibn Abi Aufa:
We participated with the Prophet in six or seven Ghazawat, and we used to eat locusts with him.
Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said “If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease.”
Volume 7, Book 65, Number 366:
Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
The Prophet said, ‘When you eat, do not wipe your hands till you have licked it, or had it licked by somebody else.”
Volume 7, Book 71, Number 636:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “The effect of an evil eye is a fact.”
Volume 4, Book 54, Number 536:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, “Once while a prophet amongst the prophets was taking a rest underneath a tree, an ant bit him. He, therefore, ordered that his luggage be taken away from underneath that tree and then ordered that the dwelling place of the ants should be set on fire. Allah sent him a revelation:— “Wouldn’t it have been sufficient to burn a single ant? (that bit you)
Volume 7, Book 65, Number 362:
Narrated ‘Abdul ‘Aziz:
It was said to Anas “What did you hear the Prophet saying about garlic?” Anas replied, “Whoever has eaten (garlic) should not approach our mosque.”
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 210:
Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
Allah’s Apostle drank milk, rinsed his mouth and said, “It has fat.”
Volume 7, Book 65, Number 368:
Narrated Abu Umama:
Whenever the dining sheet of the Prophet was taken away (i.e., whenever he finished his meal), he used to say: “Al-hamdu lillah kathiran taiyiban mubarakan fihi ghaira makfiy wala muwada’ wala mustaghna’anhu Rabbuna.”
Volume 7, Book 69, Number 535:
Narrated Thumama bin Abdullah:
Anas used to breathe twice or thrice in the vessel (while drinking) and used to say that the Prophet used to take three breaths while drinking.
Volume 1, Book 4, Number 143:
DeleteNarrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
The Prophet said, “If anyone of you on having sexual relations with his wife said (and he must say it before starting) ‘In the name of Allah. O Allah! Protect us from Satan and also protect what you bestow upon us (i.e. the coming offspring) from Satan, and if it is destined that they should have a child then, Satan will never be able to harm that offspring.”
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 11, Number 660:
Quote: Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “Isn’t he who raises his head before the Imam afraid that Allah may transform his head into that of a donkey or his figure (face) into that of a donkey?”
Volume 4, Book 54, Number 494:
Narrated Ibn Umar:
Allah’s Apostle said, “When the (upper) edge of the sun appears (in the morning), don’t perform a prayer till the sun appears in full, and when the lower edge of the sun sets, don’t perform a prayer till it sets completely. And you should not seek to pray at sunrise or sunset for the sun rises between two sides of the head of the devil (or Satan).”
Volume 7, Book 71, Number 619:
Narrated Nazi’:
Abdullah bin ‘Umar said, “The Prophet said, ‘Fever is from the heat of Hell, so put it out (cool it) with water.’ “ Nafi’ added: ‘Abdullah used to say, “O Allah! Relieve us from the punishment,” (when he suffered from fever).
Volume 9, Book 87, Number 123:
Narrated Anas:
The Prophet said, “Whoever has seen me in a dream, then no doubt, he has seen me, for Satan cannot imitate my shape.
Volume 9, Book 87, Number 124:
Narrated Abu Qatada:
The Prophet said, “A good dream is from Allah, and a bad dream is from Satan. So whoever has seen (in a dream) something he dislike, then he should spit without saliva, thrice on his left and seek refuge with Allah from Satan, for it will not harm him, and Satan cannot appear in my shape.”
Volume 4, Book 54, Number 513:
Narrated Abu Qatada:
The Prophet said, “A good dream is from Allah, and a bad or evil dream is from Satan; so if anyone of you has a bad dream of which he gets afraid, he should spit on his left side and should seek Refuge with Allah from its evil, for then it will not harm him.”
Volume 2, Book 21, Number 245:
Narrated ‘Abdullah :
A person was mentioned before the Prophet (p.b.u.h.) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said, “Satan urinated in his ears.”
Volume 4, Book 54, Number 509:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you (during the act of yawning) should say: ‘Ha’, Satan will laugh at him.”
Volume 4, Book 54, Number 516:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.”
Volume 6, Book 61, Number 550:
Narrated Abdullah:
The Prophet said, “It is a bad thing that some of you say, ‘I have forgotten such-and-such verse of the Qur’an,’ for indeed, he has been caused (by Allah) to forget it. So you must keep on reciting the Qur’an because it escapes from the hearts of men faster than camel do.”
Volume 6, Book 61, Number 552:
Narrated Abu Musa:
The Prophet said, “Keep on reciting the Qur’an, for, by Him in Whose Hand my life is, Quran runs away (is forgotten) faster than camels that are released from their tying ropes.”
And I am still laughing!
To quote Superchiquita, "I fuckin love you". :)
DeleteBeautifully executed.
Thank you, A. "I fuckin love you," too. :)
DeleteIn the name of God, The All Merciful, The Compassionate:
ReplyDelete"Nay, I swear by the Day of Resurrection;
Nay, I swear by the self-reproaching soul.
Thinketh man that We shall not assemble his bones?
Yea, verily. We are Able to restore his very fingers!
But man would fain deny what is before him.
He asketh: When will be this Day of Resurrection?
But when sight is confounded
And the moon is eclipsed
And sun and moon are united,
On that day man will cry: Whither to flee!
Alas! No refuge!
Unto thy Lord is the recourse that day.
On that day man is told the tale of that which he hath sent before and left behind.
Oh, but man is a telling witness against himself,
Although he tender his excuses.
Stir not thy tongue herewith to hasten it.
Lo! upon Us (resteth) the putting together thereof and the reading thereof.
And when We read it, follow thou the reading;
Then lo! upon Us (resteth) the explanation thereof.
Nay, but ye do love the fleeting Now
And neglect the Hereafter.
That day will faces be resplendent,
Looking toward their Lord;
And that day will other faces be despondent,
Thou wilt know that some great disaster is about to fall on them.
Nay, but when the life cometh up to the throat
And men say: Where is the wizard (who can save him now)?
And he knoweth that it is the parting;
And agony is heaped on agony;
Unto thy Lord that day will be the driving.
For he neither trusted, nor prayed.
But he denied and flouted.
Then went he to his folk with glee.
Nearer unto thee and nearer,
Again nearer unto thee and nearer (is the doom).
Thinketh man that he is to be left aimless?
Was he not a drop of fluid which gushed forth?
Then he became a clot; then (Allah) shaped and fashioned
And made of him a pair, the male and female.
Is not He (Who doeth so) Able to bring the dead to life?"
Qur'an Chapter 75: The Resurrection
They called the man who uttered these words "mad," "possessed," "liar," "magician," "soothsayer," "power-hungry," and much worse. They tried to defame him, drive him out and ultimately kill him. They fought wars with him. Exactly one hundred years after he first spoke Divine words his people - the desert dwellers with no history or impact known to the world - ruled from Spain to India (see the map).
I dare. :)
DeleteJ.J: "They called the man who uttered these words "mad", "possessed"," "liar," "magician," "soothsayer," "power-hungry," and much worse.
Yeah. Because he was a mad, possessed, liar of a soothsayer, who was both power hungry- and much worse. I daresay he was a despotic, sadistic, serial killer.
J.J: "They tried to defame him, drive him out and ultimately kill him."
No shit. Because he was all of the above. :P
J.J: "They fought wars with him. Exactly one hundred years after he first spoke Divine words his people - the desert dwellers with no history or impact known to the world - ruled from Spain to India (see the map).
Riiight. Because the worldly power acquired by fanatical despots proves their divine status.~
And so the bloody Caliphate emerged, under Mohammed's tyrannic rule. It was fatally wounded, once.... But it is rising again, isn't it?
J.J: "No but alas they've sold themselves for a low price."
ReplyDeleteNo, dumbass. We were bought at the highest price. Christ sacrificed himself for us so that we may live, by faith.
J.J: "You're being played but you think you're independent and special. Use your reason if you still can and come back to reality. I tried to go there but God saved me..."
"...From drawing an offensive picture of Jesus and Mohammed. Just like the Pharisees, you judge by what it on the outside of the cup. You judge so superficially.
J.J: "He saved me because He knew I was a victim of the devil's scheme - NOT arrogant like the others."
Translation: God saved me because I'm special, empathetic, and deserving- not like those arrogant, sociopathic devils..
Here is what Jesus has to say to guys like you:
To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.” (Luke 18: 9-14)
In the name of God, The All Merciful, The Compassionate:
ReplyDelete"When the sun is overthrown,
And when the stars fall,
And when the hills are moved,
And when the camels big with young are abandoned,
And when the wild beasts are herded together,
And when the seas rise,
And when souls are reunited,
And when the girl-child that was buried alive is asked
For what sin she was slain,
And when the pages are laid open,
And when the sky is torn away,
And when hell is lighted,
And when the Garden is brought nigh,
(Then) every soul will know what it hath made ready.
Oh, but I call to witness the planets,
The stars which rise and set,
And the close of night,
And the breath of morning
That this is in truth the word of an honoured messenger,
Mighty, established in the presence of the Lord of the Throne,
(One) to be obeyed, and trustworthy;
And your comrade is not mad.
Surely he beheld Him on the clear horizon.
And he is not avid of the Unseen.
Nor is this the utterance of a devil worthy to be stoned.
Whither then go ye?
This is naught else than a reminder unto creation,
Unto whomsoever of you willeth to walk straight.
And ye will not, unless (it be) that Allah willeth, the Lord of Creation."
Qur'an Chapter 81: The Overthrowing
NOTE: Some of you may be wondering what all these chapters really mean. Others may grasp some of its meanings. However, there are some people here who know full well what these verses are saying and to whom. Caricature these if you dare.
NOTE: "Allah" is roughly equivalent to "God." The difference is that it cannot be made plural in any way so for that reason some scholars prefer to use "Allah" always. I use "God" in English because everyone understand without any confusion what is implied.
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ReplyDelete"All I could do was stare at him and think what it would be like to bite his lips off his face in front of the other professors. This reminded me of an excerpt in your book. Just thought I would share.
ReplyDeleteI don't know why, but I was a little shocked and pretty disheartened to read this."
Shocked and dishearted? Why?
Don't you know that thoughts do not form reality but are just thoughts?
My sexual fantasies are pretty colourful and sadistic but it doesn't mean I want to act them out.
Sometimes I think about eating a greasy burger but I know it would make me feel sick and fat so I don't.
I'm not an animal, I can control my actions – in good and bad. Thinking something violent does not make anyone a bad person.
The beauty of thoughts is that they are private entertainment – unless you take thoughts seriously.
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