Apparently Bart was diagnosed (wrongfully?) as a sociopath in a recent episode of the Simpsons, "Paths of Glory". Spoilers follow.
In a play off of Ender's Game, Bart is sent to a special facility with other sociopathic children:
As all the kids there have no reactions, an army general says that they're perfect to test U.S. Air Force Drone Simulators. Bart manages to destroy all targets, but later the kids are informed that they were actually controlling a real drone, killing real people. Bart is the only kid who gets worried about it, so he's diagnosed as being sane and is free to go back home.
It makes you wonder who is actually running the drones currently.
Also on television, in the BBC's "Call the Midwife," Season 4, Episode 3, the show explores how homosexuals were handled in the late 1950s, early 1960s in the UK, with some interesting parallels. for this audience First gay people are criminals. Second, they're thought to be degenerates. Third, if caught they either end up in prison or undergoing "treatment" to "cure" them, apparently most commonly either electroshock therapy or feminine hormone treatments for the men.
Dr. Turner: You will be prescribed Stilbestrol by the hospital. You will be allowed to take this, largely in the privacy of your own home, but you will be monitored to make sure you’re taking it. There are other treatments. ECT, aversion therapy, but I’d say this is less brutal and more private.
Marie: That’s all right. You’re not funny about tablets, are you?
Dr. Turner: They contain a form of estrogen, the female hormone. It will stop your body from producing testosterone, which in turn will suppress your urges.
Marie: But he’ll be all right, otherwise?
Dr. Turner: Impotence occurs, as the testosterone reduces.
Marie: We’ll already have our child. Is that it?
Dr. Turner: There may also be gynecomastia, development of breast tissue, there is often a loss of muscle and body hair.
Tony: Dear God.
Marie: Well, it’s not prison. And that’s all that matters.
A parallel story line involves an infestation of rats, and the attempts of most to brutally kill them. One of the nun attempts to fight the brutality: "We are all God's creatures. It's just some are easier to love than others. It's the others that need us most.".
The end monologue talks about how important it is to have some place at which we can be truly ourselves despite the world's constant demand that we conform in some way or another:
A world is not just made of bricks and mortar, but of minds. We can rebuild cities, paint beautiful facades, invent new ways of living. We can protect all that we have. But that place which we call home must be the place in which we are ourselves with no facade, no foundations weak below us. Only then can we face outwards with our heads held high, playing the roles assigned to us with open, honest hearts.
In a play off of Ender's Game, Bart is sent to a special facility with other sociopathic children:
As all the kids there have no reactions, an army general says that they're perfect to test U.S. Air Force Drone Simulators. Bart manages to destroy all targets, but later the kids are informed that they were actually controlling a real drone, killing real people. Bart is the only kid who gets worried about it, so he's diagnosed as being sane and is free to go back home.
It makes you wonder who is actually running the drones currently.
Also on television, in the BBC's "Call the Midwife," Season 4, Episode 3, the show explores how homosexuals were handled in the late 1950s, early 1960s in the UK, with some interesting parallels. for this audience First gay people are criminals. Second, they're thought to be degenerates. Third, if caught they either end up in prison or undergoing "treatment" to "cure" them, apparently most commonly either electroshock therapy or feminine hormone treatments for the men.
Dr. Turner: You will be prescribed Stilbestrol by the hospital. You will be allowed to take this, largely in the privacy of your own home, but you will be monitored to make sure you’re taking it. There are other treatments. ECT, aversion therapy, but I’d say this is less brutal and more private.
Marie: That’s all right. You’re not funny about tablets, are you?
Dr. Turner: They contain a form of estrogen, the female hormone. It will stop your body from producing testosterone, which in turn will suppress your urges.
Marie: But he’ll be all right, otherwise?
Dr. Turner: Impotence occurs, as the testosterone reduces.
Marie: We’ll already have our child. Is that it?
Dr. Turner: There may also be gynecomastia, development of breast tissue, there is often a loss of muscle and body hair.
Tony: Dear God.
Marie: Well, it’s not prison. And that’s all that matters.
A parallel story line involves an infestation of rats, and the attempts of most to brutally kill them. One of the nun attempts to fight the brutality: "We are all God's creatures. It's just some are easier to love than others. It's the others that need us most.".
The end monologue talks about how important it is to have some place at which we can be truly ourselves despite the world's constant demand that we conform in some way or another:
A world is not just made of bricks and mortar, but of minds. We can rebuild cities, paint beautiful facades, invent new ways of living. We can protect all that we have. But that place which we call home must be the place in which we are ourselves with no facade, no foundations weak below us. Only then can we face outwards with our heads held high, playing the roles assigned to us with open, honest hearts.
Wrongfully? Lol.
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How do real sociopaths react when they hear the phrase (about somebody) that: "-he´s a total psycho, watch out!"? Do they shun that person, like everybody else, or do they get curious to see for themselves if he´s really a total psycho? Does it bother them that there´s a possibility that "he" is a worse specimen than themselves..?
ReplyDeleteThe largest threat we face is other sociopaths. We know that other sociopaths can potentially outwit us or mean us harm. But on the other hand, a band of sociopaths is quite a force to be reckoned with.
DeleteSo to answer your question, we would not default to shunning a suspected "total psycho". For one, empaths are often wrong about people being "psycho". Secondly, if the person truly is a sociopath or "psycho" as you say, we need to know if they are a threat to us or not. So we have to study them, get to know them, etc. We wouldn't assume to know if another sociopath is a threat or not until we learn for ourselves.
"Does it bother them that there's a possibility that 'he' is a worse specimen than themselves..?"
No, it doesn't bother us. And I would not call it "a worse specimen", but rather a more skilled sociopath. For me at least, it is a challenge to become better than others, a challenge I gladly accept. We just take caution because of the potential of a threat that exists.
-Fellow Sociopath
I call other people and myself psychos all the time to calm everyone around me
Delete"fellow sociopath" did you even read the pile of crap you just wrote?hahaha a sociopath wouldn't make friends with another sociopath because it would give them nothing valuable in return,i bet you're one of those social outcasts who come to places like these for the sole purpose of making up for their social failures.
DeleteWhy would it give them nothing valuable in return to be friends with a sociopath?
Deletebecause the sociopath will always look out for his best interests,why do you think he'd give a damn about another selfish manipulator who would probably just stall his attempts at getting something he wants?It's irrational,thats why an idea of sociopaths being together in a "band" is impossible
DeleteOh and by the way I'd expect you to use your name instead of posting anonymously,haha did i scare you "fellow sociopath" hahaha
DeleteMost ppl use the word 'psycho' to describe like psychotic behaviour, if I call someone a psycho I'm probably referring to someone who is irrational, more like a borderline than a socio.
DeleteLiterally lol @ 'band of sociopaths'
Wow, I didn't expect such a strong reaction from my comment. I guess it's pretty easy to get under some people's skin. :)
Delete"Oh and by the way I'd expect you to use your name instead of posting anonymously,haha did i scare you "fellow sociopath" hahaha"
What are you talking about? All of my comments are signed.
-Fellow Sociopath
@Defiance - I know a band of sociopaths is a funny concept, but I do know sociopaths can be friends with other sociopaths. I personally know sociopaths that are married to sociopaths. It may not be common, but it certainly isn't unheard of.
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Sociopaths are interesting in that they are so reluctant to believe anyone else is a true sociopath. It does seem that sociopaths are very intuitive on who is or who isn't but for whatever reason they seem incredibly reluctant to cross certain lines. Anythoughts?
ReplyDeleteSociopaths recognize movie psychopaths better than anyone else (surprise?). Many examples exist when the directors and actors "have a psychopath" in the script "but do not know" what a psychopath really is! How anyone are allowed to make big budget movies where the end result baddie is some sort of halfbaked "android with menacing stare" is a mystery! Do they have "psycho-advisors" in movies? I´ve never seen any "consultants" regarding that issue in any ending credits..
DeleteTrue sociopaths exist and I have friends that I know are sociopaths. However, empaths like to point the finger at many people calling them "psychos, sociopaths, etc" without really knowing what they are talking about.
DeletePerhaps our disbelief in these diagnostics is why you feel like we are reluctant to believe?
-Fellow Sociopath
I'd like to know how you came to the conclusion that you are a sociopath
DeleteI'm not a sociopath. I'm just making an observation based on personal experience and things I've noticed reading about sociopaths. I know sociopaths tend to be covert innately but it is so glaringly obvious to me that some of the people asking if they are sociopaths are indeed sociopaths I just have to wonder how it could be denied by sociopaths. It seems almost like a competition at times.
DeleteEverything is a competition
Delete"Socio-dar" exists according to some folks. And they stay away from each other. Psychos and "enchanted wanna-bees under a spell" may form pairs & sometimes psychos have found psychotics to be useful enough to "bond" with...but two socios? I´ve never heard about such stuff. Some grand socios like the oregonian Bee-Keeper may have done similar gravity-defying stunts, but I doubt there are many more.
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ReplyDeleteHow do you account for nests of paths such as the Nazis, Communists, Mafia, etc.?
How do you account for nests of paths such as the Nazis, Communists, Mafia, etc.?
DeleteMilgram experiment. Look it up.
They arent sociopaths they are just easily manipulated.Hitler put the blame on jews for a series of events he staged so people would view his reasons for going forward with his cause within their ideals(delusions) of morality,as he manipulated them into thinking that the jews were objectively immoral.That doesnt make the Nazis sociopaths or whatever label you want to put on them.It just makes them easily manipulated sheeps.
DeleteHe only had to change 3 answers. Lol!
ReplyDeleteAccording to that Simpsons episode, every sociopath's one weakness is bouncy houses.
ReplyDeleteI can't say I'm inclined to disbelieve it.
ESTP Sociopath, A and anyone else who's interested (re international rugby coach Eddie Jones):
ReplyDelete'Eddie Jones emotionally destroyed me’ – the making of England’s latest messiah
"As Eddie Jones prepares for his Six Nations bow, those who have played under the Australian and survived to tell the tale explain what England can expect."
"Eddie will see what needs to be done to a team to be successful. Sometimes he will break it rather than fix it."
There's something compelling about him, no? That confidence.
I'm breaking with my girl. I'm supposed to be a sociopath but i'm feeling a sense of loss, failure. That gets me kinda sad. Is it possibile to be a sociopath and feel loss for someone who i did not see as something to conquer?
ReplyDeletewhy are you supposed to be a sociopath
DeleteI've been busy lately, getting my new roommate situated in my place and taking care of other business. My posts might be temporarily infrequent for a bit.
ReplyDeleteMy new roommate is allegedly a sociopath; he was open enough to let that slip (while intoxicated anyways; observing how he operates in detail, he fits the label until I have reason to believe otherwise), and what he has told me thus far of his life story is quite intriguing too. What brought him where he is now was that he was living somewhere else, where he was working his first legitimate job (prior to that I assume he was supporting himself through criminal activity?) as a stripper. After someone he very much valued died while he cradled them in his own arms, he didn't have any reason to stick around; he left that life behind, and traveled elsewhere where he had more connections. He spent sometime in prison, and after his imprisonment he spent a lot of time picking up his life trying to get by with his various criminal activities, drug dealing, theft, whatever hustling he could manage. Somewhere in that time frame he started dating a girl I met not too long ago when another friend of mine introduced me to the both of them. She's very schizophrenic, as she told me so herself. It was a rocky relationship, and push came to shoving and soon enough they broke up; she shoved him down a flight of stairs after he confronted her about having sex with the guy who was living with them in their apartment. So he packed up his belongings and left.
So now he's moved in with me as my new roommate. I think I like him, very charming and easy to get along with, just like me. I get a bit bored living by myself, and so far living with him is very entertaining. Whether or not allowing a fellow sociopath to be so personally close to me was a wise decision I guess I'll find out. If anything it's an opportunity to closely observe another sociopath and perhaps gleam some deeper insight about myself.
ESTP Sociopath
I really wanna live in a world where people talk openly and randomly about being sociopaths with new roommates, so I'll choose to believe this is true, rather than made up bullshite...
DeleteWhy would you want that drama in your life? Like, literally in your own home? This fella and his gf sound like a mess, they might be interesting ppl to know, but no way I would give them keys to my house.
He wants free strip shows.:)
Delete...and lap dances.:)
Delete...and sex.:)
Delete...and maybe some free weed.:)
Deleteand maybe some free domestic support.:)
DeleteAnd the insurance payout when crazy roommate takes off one day all his stuff.:)
Delete...will insurance pay, if his roommate steals all his stuff??? That is, if he has insurance...
DeleteThat place is 3edgy5me
ReplyDelete*with all his stuff
ReplyDeleteThis blogs a fucking nightmare on an iPhone
Defiance-You make me giggle.:)
DeleteDefiance-Are you socio???
DeleteThe main character in the movie A History of Violence most likely is no psycho, he seems to care about other people to much for that label. BUT: doesn´t his "big life-lie" about being somebody else seem VERY psychopathic: the invented story, to him, is JUST AS REAL as the real stuff? And the way he "clings" to his lies seems...way beyond what a plain empath would do?
ReplyDeleteI always thought the word "antisocial" (when talking about socios) meant criminal. But I think I´ve learned that this means that almost all psychopaths are hostile or cold, even if they see lots of people: they dont consider others as friends, nobody knows them and they prefer standing at the sidelines, not joining anything. And: that the classic "glib talker with big grin" psychopath is considered a slightly less antisocial socio? Correct..?
ReplyDeleteThey do like telling themselves that no one knows them.
DeleteI can cope with indifference, but I cringe if I sense contempt, a totally foreign feeling to me.
DeleteMy life became devastated when my husband sent me packing, after 8 years that we have been together. I was lost and helpless after trying so many ways to make my husband take me back. One day at work, i was absent minded not knowing that my boss was calling me, so he sat and asked me what its was all about i told him and he smiled and said that it was not a problem. I never understand what he meant by it wasn't a problem getting my husband back, he said he used a spell to get his wife back when she left him for another man and now they are together till date and at first i was shocked hearing such thing from my boss. He gave me an email address of the great spell caster who helped him get his wife back, i never believed this would work but i had no choice that to get in contact with the spell caster which i did, and he requested for my information and that of my husband to enable him cast the spell and i sent him the details, but after two days, my mom called me that my husband came pleading that he wants me back, i never believed it because it was just like a dream and i had to rush down to my mothers place and to my greatest surprise, my husband was kneeling before me pleading for forgiveness that he wants me and the kid back home, then i gave Happy a call regarding sudden change of my husband and he made it clear to me that my husband will love me till the end of the world, that he will never leave my sight. Now me and my husband is back together again and has started doing pleasant things he hasn't done before, he makes me happy and do what he is suppose to do as a man without nagging. Please if you need help of any kind, kindly contact Happy for help and you can reach him via email: happylovespell2@gmail.com
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