I hesitate to write about this because it's both probably too personal and too random for anyone to relate to. But I hope there is a more meta thought about changing paradigms and what that actually means that can translate via the too specific story.
Recently, I was out with a sort of former seduction target turned long time friend, who has over the past few years retreated more and more from life. We met up randomly and by chance with a third, a stranger. The night with the third turned into hijinsky fun, the stuff of silly comedies with an undercurrent of sexual energy. The stranger skilfully flirted equally with me and my friend, keeping an amazing balance. Whenever my friend would withdraw, the stranger was there to draw my friend back in. It made me think -- this must be exactly how polyamorous relationships work. I've had multiple relationships going on at the same time, but never the same relationship with multiple people (sad!), so it was fascinating. It made a lot of sense too. Whenever there is a weak relationship between any two of the three, that weak pairing needs to be shored up with one on one connection between those two. And although I wasn't really that interested in either one by themselves, but there was something about the combination that was charming to me -- seeing them through each others' eyes.
The stranger ends up too drunk to drive home, but everyone has a car and everyone is far from home. It came down to a coin flip, but eventually it gets decided that my friend will drive the stranger home and crash there for the night, to come back in the morning to retrieve the third car. Of course they hook up, but I was surprised that they didn't come up for air for several days.
I'm genuinely happy for my friend, because I feel like it's an end of retreating from the world. And my world paradigm told me, "say you're happy for them both and then back away." But then I had this crazy thought just pop in my mind -- if I back away, this relationship will fail. Why? My mind reasoned, as if on its own, based on my observations of what I knew about them (I had tried to set the stranger up with other random strangers that night, so the stranger told me what to look for) there were at least a half a dozen ways in which my friend failed to meet the stranger's expectations. But I did meet those particular criteria. Same for what my friend is looking for -- so many things the stranger failed at, that I happened to meet. And there was also a half dozen ways that I failed to meet what each of them were looking for in ways that they matched for each other, most importantly that I was actually looking for a romantic relationship with either of them.
I had these thoughts in what felt like a moment of clarity for me, like seeing a math problem a different, better way. My mind told me that the optimal thing to do in terms of their relationship wouldn't be to adopt the societal paradigm of don't-be-a-third-wheel paradigm, but to continue to fill each's needs in the way that their new partner couldn't or didn't want to.
Again, you can imagine what happens here. I try to explain this to my friend, just to see if the idea rang true to my friend too. But it sounds too crazy, doesn't it? I mean, clearly I'm just jealous, anyone would think. Another friend told me in an IM conversation re the situation "i think you struggle a lot with things not being about you and it's something to work on." At first I wanted people to understand, wanted to explain how this was not about me this time or about jealousy.* And I did try to explain to my friend, until I realized -- this is my paradigm, and it is the truest I know, but it is not anyone else's. Neither one of them owe you any understanding of your paradigm and they certainly don't owe you adopting yours as their own, even if you believe that your paradigm would benefit them more in this situation.
Because as much as my concept of the self has been flexible, it has traditionally driven me literally crazy when people have denied a truth that seemed so self-evident. I've often fancied myself a sort of Galileo, preaching the truth of my righteous paradigm to the blind who will not see. A defender of truth. But after this recent experience, I understand that the truth is not necessarily always relative, but that in certain circumstances the truth hardly matters. Someone else's beliefs and/or their ability to have their own beliefs matter much more than any attempt at objective truth. And after I had that paradigm shift about third wheels and polyamory so suddenly, I wonder what paradigms of mine are next to shift? Finally, I see that I need to figure out a better way to allow my paradigms to shift in the future without upsetting others who aren't ready/wanting/asking to shift theirs.
*I've never been looking for love. I've never felt like that was true, at least. I've been attracted to people plenty, and I'm certain that I've wished in some way for them to reciprocate the intensity of my feelings, but even that has been oddly not a big deal to me. If it's not a straight seduction in which their passion for me are the "points" I'm scoring in some sort of game with myself, I've always been more into my own feelings for someone I care about than caring exactly how much they care back at me. Maybe this is why I have only experienced very pale shades of jealousy in my life, because what I want most are my own feelings of passion, not someone else's feelings for me.
Recently, I was out with a sort of former seduction target turned long time friend, who has over the past few years retreated more and more from life. We met up randomly and by chance with a third, a stranger. The night with the third turned into hijinsky fun, the stuff of silly comedies with an undercurrent of sexual energy. The stranger skilfully flirted equally with me and my friend, keeping an amazing balance. Whenever my friend would withdraw, the stranger was there to draw my friend back in. It made me think -- this must be exactly how polyamorous relationships work. I've had multiple relationships going on at the same time, but never the same relationship with multiple people (sad!), so it was fascinating. It made a lot of sense too. Whenever there is a weak relationship between any two of the three, that weak pairing needs to be shored up with one on one connection between those two. And although I wasn't really that interested in either one by themselves, but there was something about the combination that was charming to me -- seeing them through each others' eyes.
The stranger ends up too drunk to drive home, but everyone has a car and everyone is far from home. It came down to a coin flip, but eventually it gets decided that my friend will drive the stranger home and crash there for the night, to come back in the morning to retrieve the third car. Of course they hook up, but I was surprised that they didn't come up for air for several days.
I'm genuinely happy for my friend, because I feel like it's an end of retreating from the world. And my world paradigm told me, "say you're happy for them both and then back away." But then I had this crazy thought just pop in my mind -- if I back away, this relationship will fail. Why? My mind reasoned, as if on its own, based on my observations of what I knew about them (I had tried to set the stranger up with other random strangers that night, so the stranger told me what to look for) there were at least a half a dozen ways in which my friend failed to meet the stranger's expectations. But I did meet those particular criteria. Same for what my friend is looking for -- so many things the stranger failed at, that I happened to meet. And there was also a half dozen ways that I failed to meet what each of them were looking for in ways that they matched for each other, most importantly that I was actually looking for a romantic relationship with either of them.
I had these thoughts in what felt like a moment of clarity for me, like seeing a math problem a different, better way. My mind told me that the optimal thing to do in terms of their relationship wouldn't be to adopt the societal paradigm of don't-be-a-third-wheel paradigm, but to continue to fill each's needs in the way that their new partner couldn't or didn't want to.
Again, you can imagine what happens here. I try to explain this to my friend, just to see if the idea rang true to my friend too. But it sounds too crazy, doesn't it? I mean, clearly I'm just jealous, anyone would think. Another friend told me in an IM conversation re the situation "i think you struggle a lot with things not being about you and it's something to work on." At first I wanted people to understand, wanted to explain how this was not about me this time or about jealousy.* And I did try to explain to my friend, until I realized -- this is my paradigm, and it is the truest I know, but it is not anyone else's. Neither one of them owe you any understanding of your paradigm and they certainly don't owe you adopting yours as their own, even if you believe that your paradigm would benefit them more in this situation.
Because as much as my concept of the self has been flexible, it has traditionally driven me literally crazy when people have denied a truth that seemed so self-evident. I've often fancied myself a sort of Galileo, preaching the truth of my righteous paradigm to the blind who will not see. A defender of truth. But after this recent experience, I understand that the truth is not necessarily always relative, but that in certain circumstances the truth hardly matters. Someone else's beliefs and/or their ability to have their own beliefs matter much more than any attempt at objective truth. And after I had that paradigm shift about third wheels and polyamory so suddenly, I wonder what paradigms of mine are next to shift? Finally, I see that I need to figure out a better way to allow my paradigms to shift in the future without upsetting others who aren't ready/wanting/asking to shift theirs.
*I've never been looking for love. I've never felt like that was true, at least. I've been attracted to people plenty, and I'm certain that I've wished in some way for them to reciprocate the intensity of my feelings, but even that has been oddly not a big deal to me. If it's not a straight seduction in which their passion for me are the "points" I'm scoring in some sort of game with myself, I've always been more into my own feelings for someone I care about than caring exactly how much they care back at me. Maybe this is why I have only experienced very pale shades of jealousy in my life, because what I want most are my own feelings of passion, not someone else's feelings for me.
FIRST!!!
ReplyDelete~Vegas
Shit, Vegas! You didn't have to cut me off!!1!!1! :'-(((
DeleteHehehehehe ;-)
Hey Socioempath-
DeleteI like it, when you swear.:)
Sorry for "cutting you off"-NOT!!!
You "snooze", you "lose"!!! HA!!! LOL!!!
Don't cry.:(
~Vegas
Socioempath-
DeleteHave you ever had a 3-some, or been polyamorous, like M.E.???
You don't have to answer, if you don't want to...
~Vegas
I think you already know the answer to that, dear :-)
DeleteHey Socioempath-
DeleteI do???
Hmmm...I'll have to think about it-maybe I missed something...
I like it, when you call me "dear".:)
~Vegas
M.E.
ReplyDeleteThe last few weeks have seen a similar shift in my own thinking.
My thoughts had always had such primacy for me; a bastion that no one else could touch no matter what else they did to me. And in the darkest of times in my marriage, there was a screeching of despair for anyone to hear me.
Since coming here, I've found my voice and as I crystallise my thoughts and have tried to convince others I have felt similarly to what you describe: the idea that I'm saying something useful and important and people just cannot hear me.
Things changed significantly, probably from that day where I exhorted you passionately over some topic I can't even remember now (probably morality) and then saw **-*.
I remember seeing a post on Facebook, something along the lines of "how to really beat a sociopath" and I was dancing around in my mind... No, no, no, that's not how to do it! Relationships aren't a game! If you still want to beat him, you're still fucked! Ultimately, I write a one-liner to the effect of it being better to reject the sociopathic conception of winning and losing in a relationship. Someone posted back that it was a win to walk away.
And I thought about. There was a time when I wanted to beat him. Perhaps that's part of the process. Perhaps it's helpful. Perhaps for those suffering the types of abuse I was suffering in my marriage it's even critical. I don't know and it's not my place to say! My story is different and that's ok.
So I let go.
And I know now that my value is the same as every other being on this planet; that each of us navigates as we are fit to do; that we are all bundles of neuro-patterns with our own lenses on the world and I don't need anyone to validate my patterns, my change or my perspective. If people hear my voice and find it useful, that's a super-added gift.
For me now, though, my curiosity has been satiated. The puzzle pieces fell into place, the dissonance resolved. I found a way to make sense of it all to the degree and with the depth my own mind demanded. It's happy. I can feel my subconscious expanding, releasing, breathing fresh air. I'm finding other things to excite me, other things capturing my interest, other alluring possibilities.
I like M.E.'s posts and the community here interests me so I will likely hang around. But the questions have been answered now. The water is clear. It's time to say thanks!
Thankyou Sociopath World! Thankyou.
North-
DeleteI was trying to think of what it was, I wanted to share with you.:)
I decided on this, today:
"Maybe you have to know the darkness, before you can appreciate the light."
-Madeleine L'Engle
~Vegas
North-
DeleteMaybe we are the most blessed.:)
~Vegas
Me thinks North is really M.E.
DeleteAnon @ 11:16-
DeleteThat is an interesting idea, that had not crossed my mind-anything is possible!!!
What made you think of that???
~Vegas
Anon 11:16 Don't be too alarmed, apophenia strikes us all at times.
Delete@Vegas: I like that. Yes. But we choose the blessings too, and not without some tradeoff #redpill
I'm deeply rooted in myself now, all my relationships have shifted. I feel self-sufficiency and those brief but often deep routine connections are enough for me, at least for now. Perhaps self-sufficiency for me is the genuine hermitage I'd always had a vision of. An LTR for example seems an overhead.
North-
DeleteI'm glad you liked that.:)
We often choose our "blessings", too, and you're right-there is always a trade off, isn't there???
I'm glad you are rooted in yourself.:) I, too, am getting back to that.:) My relationships are also "shifting".
Self-sufficiency is positive, and LTR's are definitely an "overhead".:)
~Vegas
Awesome to hear. It's nice to see you express yourself more :D
DeleteNorth I am happy to see you in such a positive place. Its strange I never thought I would ever even post anything online. I could have never imagined even reading a blog like this. Honestly it was very hard for me to stomach at first. I made myself read it. I tolda friend who was going thru a situation that was similar to mine to never read this blog- no matter what-that it would be too much for them. But I needed to look the monster in the eye. And I did. And I found more than I expected. I am thankful for your posts north. They have been a ray of light to me. I was immediately struck by your bravery to be raw. People sometimes run from that. They are terrified of appearing weak. You put everything out there. Everything I was questioning-feeling. Pure hell. It had to be explored. Thank you. You can't imagine how much you helped me personally.
ReplyDeleteThankyou Anon. You've helped me to: reflections from different angles have helped me find puzzle keys :)
DeleteI think it's a process, a longish process and sometimes things feel right that later feel wrong and vice versa. I've learned the easiest way is to simply live with myself in the moment, to trust the tug of my subconscious. In this way, the impossible transforms me; I embrace it fully. And when you do that, there is no longer strength or weakness, only self-connection, integration. That is peace, whether one is momentarily feeling joy or pain or anger or the vastness of one's own subconscious growing outwards to subsume the once-noisy mind.
Regarding monsters - I'm reading a bock about concerning our fascination with mythical monsters; how they represent our fears and provide an imaginative sandbox for safe exploration of those fears. The analogy isn't complete, but I think in a way we regard psychopaths as monsters: objects of our utter fascination and horror, prompts for our curiosity. It is, perhaps, a perfect mechanism - we are prompted to understand from a safe distance, prompted incessantly until we wrap our heads around it, until we can face the monster.
And then the mythical brightness and darkness dissipates and what stands before us is once again human sized; if not cut from slightly different cloth.
thiz place has gone to shit. wherez that real legendz gone. all you fukin wallflowers need to clear off the bad boys are back and we take heads Isis style
ReplyDelete- pEr$iAn tHuG
"At first I wanted people to understand, wanted to explain how this was not about me this time or about jealousy."
ReplyDeletePeople will always project their own thinking onto others. Since they would have been jealous and made it all about themselves, they think it fit to advise you (by automatically assuming you're doing the same, regardless of what you say) to not make it about yourself. It can be frustrating when your intention is anything but what others automatically assume (and refuse to acknowledge they're wrong). This too is a result of psychopathic lying - now that there's so much of it out there, it's no surprise that almost no one believes you when you're being genuine. It's very easy to lie and be believed now but a proportionally tougher struggle depending on the content if you're being completely genuine.
With all due respect, I strongly disagree with the last point you made about love & jealousy - if by "love" you mean real love, not the relative and butchered meanings we now have. Real love is the antithesis of jealousy (certainly envy) and it IS about your feelings BUT it is wise enough to realize that true, real and lasting feelings for you only come when you are willing to give an equal or greater portion of your affection to your loved one. Yes it's real, not a fantasy.
Don't get me wrong when I say "real" love. I'm not saying all else is deception or fake - I just mean it's not what love really is.
Forgive me for assuming here but I think the reason why you care more about what you get in a relationship more than what you give is probably due to your not getting your fair share of it growing up. I'm sorry but if your parents could leave you and your siblings and just drive off (even if that's for a short while) that would have a lasting impact on you. It is a betrayal of trust and care.
DeleteI understand why you don't seem to think love is real. There's a deficit there and it's not your fault. I don't mean to preach but I would be lying if I said anyone or anything can fill that void other than God. He won't just fill the void, by the way, He'll give you more than you could imagine for everything you should've gotten but didn't.
Not trying to bombard but I should elaborate further on one point I made:
Delete"Real love is the antithesis of jealousy (certainly envy) and it IS about your feelings BUT it is wise enough to realize that true, real and lasting feelings for you only come when you are willing to give an equal or greater portion of your affection to your loved one."
What I mean by "equal or greater portion of your affection" is not the quantity but the QUALITY of your affection. A "sociopath" with a rough upbringing cannot give an equal or greater quantity of affection (since they don't have it to give) as compared to a non-socio but even if they give a little bit, if it's genuine that'll mean more to their lover than everything they've given. It can literally be 9:1 and be true love but that 1 must be genuine.
Okay I'll leave ya'll alone now.
@ Jonaid at 11.32/42/56am:
DeleteIn the new spirit of co-operation, in order to prevent you doing this:
"Not trying to bombard but I should elaborate further on one point I made"
if you write something, don't post it immediately. leave it for a few minutes, go back to it, then edit, or add some stuff; do that again, and then after the third pause, post that. Your writing will get more clarity, and you won't have to type for hours to correct what you were trying to convey.
"even if they give a little bit, if it's genuine that'll mean more"
Yes, this is genuine advice; *not* antagonistic baiting. 8-)
"Okay I'll leave ya'll alone now."
8-) Likewise.
XK
Thank you for the advise. I've considered doing that too but don't usually bother because I don't "plan out" my messages - I speak my mind. Sometimes I just need to add or clarify because I'm reminded that it's sociopaths reading.
DeleteMy 3 messages above took 24 mins altogether even tho I wasn't writing the whole time...so thanks again but be rest assured I don't spend anything remotely close to "hours" here.
@ Jonaid, again in a spirit of co-operation:
Delete"Sometimes I just need to add or clarify because I'm reminded that it's sociopaths reading."
Exactly. Remember the low tolerance to boredom aspect.
You can still speak your mind, but do it succinctly. When there's screen-scrolls of text, most people soon end up just ignoring it all. Life's too short.
XK
I'm sure there have been posts which were longer than need be. No one's perfect. I do always aim to be terse.
DeleteLife's only short if you're looking to play always.
@ M E:
ReplyDelete"I hope there is a more meta-thought about changing paradigms and what that actually means that can translate...
......this is my paradigm, and it is the truest I know, but it is not anyone else's. Neither one of them owe you any understanding of your paradigm and they certainly don't owe you adopting yours as their own, even if you believe that your paradigm would benefit them more in this situation....
....I see that I need to figure out a better way to allow my paradigms to shift in the future without upsetting others who aren't ready/wanting/asking to shift theirs."
While this may be quite valid in the personal sphere of the anecdote, it's not always appropriate for the public sphere.
Otherwise there'd still be slavery, no votes for women, no minimum wage etc. etc.
To make omelettes, one has to break eggs. Why bother making an omelette in the first place, if the chef can't take on board the responsibility of ensuring the omelette is not so masked by salad dressing by sous-chefs - that no-one *wanting an omelette* ever comes to the restaurant.
"Someone else's beliefs and/or their ability to have their own beliefs matter much more than any attempt at objective truth."
Uhuh. 'Much more'? Tell that to anyone with aneroxia. Or paranoia. Or schizophrenia.
Generalisations are pointless.
XK
You live in a teen flick. Who thinks like this?
ReplyDeleteThis is why i can't really read this blog actively, it's like reading a 15 girls diary.
"You live in a teen flick. Who thinks like this?"
DeleteWhich 'you' is this referring to?
The person who writes the blog.
DeleteOK. Agreed.
DeleteBetter choice of little stories not intended to set off any teenage diary romantic yearnings might help.
And no more 'am I a sociopath'. Done to death.
Faint hope.
I would personally enjoy a open relationship with multiple people in it together. Why not? If people get together for entertainment (for example a party), why not do so sexually as well? Especially orgies. With enough people around having sex around you while you're having sex with a few other people, it's like having live pornography all around you to watch while you quench your own sexual thirst.
ReplyDeleteI've talked with people about having an open relationship with multiple people involved (potentially long term relationship but if it isn't that is equally fine with me too) but I haven't had much luck in that. There seems to be a societal emphasis on monogamy and that just appears to be inefficient to me seeing as how it seems like 50% of monogamous relationships fail. I think that if society as a whole wants better emotional and romantic stability in the minds of normal people they would greatly benefit from having multiple sexual partners, perhaps a mix of both multiple sexual partners that are having sex with the same people you're having sex with on a regular basis ( I would imagine friendship of a sort would be established, for example two women with a tightly knit together bond who would share the company of a man they're mutually interested in but don't necessarily have attraction for each other) and multiple people you would also be having sex with and/or having sex alongside of. Imagine if these kind of relationships became the social norm, wouldn't "cheating" become more of a non-issue?
Thus far I've only had success with short term sexual encounters when it comes to having multiple people involved, threesomes and orgies. I remember one summer I went to a out of the way nudist beach, bodies laying naked on towels slick with glistening sun tan lotion. The sex was enjoyable, bodies thrusting and rubbing together and wet with sweat, passionate kissing, and occasionally ocean water. I've gone to bath houses/sex clubs before and had some satisfactory encounters with multiple sexual partners involved all at once too.
I suppose an ideal relationship for me right now is if I could have a relationship with both a man and a woman, or simply have a shared sexual partner with another individual or multiple people. Either will do.
ESTP Sociopath
@ ESTP:
DeleteHow are your lungs currently BTW?
XK
Fine. I'm finishing off my antibiotics, I recently finished thr pneumonia specific ones and nearly done with a more general antibiotic the doctor prescribed.
DeleteMy lungs feel recovered enough to smoke again, so I met up with my next door neighbor (the male friend with schizophrenia I mentioned before) and we smoked a few bowls of some Super Lemon Haze weed.
I don't want to wait around to recover though, boredom sets in quickly when I'm sitting idle for too long. Along with keeping up my wooden staff/sword fighting club involvement, I've decided to pick up midnight city parkour. I put on leggings for more flexible movement, a t-shirt and a light hooded jacket, running shoes and run off to downtown at night to do my parkour around the city and especially the open mall area closed off for construction. All those fences, construction equipment and boxes, etc.. make for a great excercise environment.
ESTP Sociopath
I am a large advocate of open relationships or polyamorous relationships. I think its really hard, and pretty unreasonable for one person to fulfill all the needs of another. When you have multiple players who are filling the roles, everyone is much happier and less stressed.
Deletethat being said I'm in a "monogamous" relationship. He isn't comfortable with the idea of open relationships, even though he knows I am. I accept his beliefs and wishes. But a part of me still sees us in an open relationship because we are still getting needs filled outside the marriage, they just aren't sex. I have a good friend who is by far fulfilling the "supportive husband" role because my husband has little interest in some of the things I share with my friend. My husband has friends that are fulfilling his emotional needs for companionship and fun. He also is slowly getting use to the idea of a 3rd person in both of our lives, and jokes frequently (enough where I'm not sure he is joking) about finding me a wife.
"My mind told me that the optimal thing to do in terms of their relationship wouldn't be to adopt the societal paradigm of don't-be-a-third-wheel paradigm, but to continue to fill each's needs in the way that their new partner couldn't or didn't want to."
ReplyDeleteDid you think like that after some time had passed, or just then?
I've been like that for similar things but after a while I don't see it that way anymore.
Then how do you see it?
ReplyDeleteAs time passes circumstances change. What would've worked in the past won't work now. What you were once interested in doesn't do anything for you anymore. You see it as something in the past and not needing anymore thought about it.
DeleteMuch like all other types of relationships generally then, not just intimate ones. [Or did you mean that as well]. Are there any people who are essential, over the long term?
DeleteXK
Other than immediate family members and a couple of close relatives, no one is essential to me.
DeleteAnd family and relatives aren't all that close.
So; you don't have a need for a sort of 'domestic buffer' between you and 'the world' to minimise your day to day contact with people and social contexts? Isn't that tiring?
DeleteI wish I could manage that. Attempting it in the past didn't end well.
It's often been difficult to find a 'companion' who can cope with someone with this personality style, or someone who doesn't expect the 'warmth and mutuality stuff' without eventually getting nasty and/or upset and claiming they've been 'shortchanged'.
XK
"So; you don't have a need for a sort of 'domestic buffer' between you and 'the world' to minimise your day to day contact with people and social contexts? Isn't that tiring?"
DeleteEventually the "domestic buffer" gets tiring too. Might as well deal with the world yourself. At least you'll meet new people.
"It's often been difficult to find a 'companion' who can cope with someone with this personality style, or someone who doesn't expect the 'warmth and mutuality stuff' without eventually getting nasty and/or upset and claiming they've been 'shortchanged'."
I think there's someone out there for everyone. The trick is to find them. And then put up with them.
Well, that is very true.
DeletePutting up with them is the difficult part. Seems to work best if they 'get' the take it or leave it approach.
XK
This isn't really a paradigm shift, which arises within a community, but a gestalt switch, which happens in your mind.
ReplyDeleteM E might have been alluding to the recent blog content, maybe? Double meanings often occur.
DeleteRomantic love, monogamy, and marriage are all overated.For the other half our traditional social contract hasn't panned out for, let's come otta hiding and get real with each other.
ReplyDeleteRomantic love, monogamy, and marriage are all overated.For the other half our traditional social contract hasn't panned out for, let's come otta hiding and get real with each other.
ReplyDeletefix your marriage and relationship after a divorce or breakup right now no matter how hopeless your situation seems.
ReplyDeleteMy husband and I have been married for about 7 yrs now. We were happily married with two kids, a boy and a girl. 3 months ago, I started to notice some strange behavior from him and a few weeks later I found out that my husband is seeing someone. He started coming home late from work, he hardly care about me or the kids anymore, Sometimes he goes out and doesn't even come back home for about 2-3 days. I did all I could to rectify this problem but all to no avail. I became very worried and needed help. As I was browsing through the internet one day, I came across a website that suggested that Dr Unity can help solve marital problems, restore broken relationships and so on. So, I felt I should give him a try. I contacted him and he did a spell for me. Three days later, my husband came to me and apologized for the wrongs he did and promise never to do it again. Ever since then, everything has returned back to normal. I and my family are living together happily again.. All thanks to Dr Unity . If you need a spell caster that can cast a spell that truly works fast, I suggest you contact Dr Unity. He will not disappoint you. mail him at: Unityspelltemple@gmail.com or contact him through his mobile number number : +2348072370762.
My life became devastated when my husband sent me packing, after 8 years that we have been together. I was lost and helpless after trying so many ways to make my husband take me back. One day at work, i was absent minded not knowing that my boss was calling me, so he sat and asked me what its was all about i told him and he smiled and said that it was not a problem. I never understand what he meant by it wasn't a problem getting my husband back, he said he used a spell to get his wife back when she left him for another man and now they are together till date and at first i was shocked hearing such thing from my boss. He gave me an email address of the great spell caster who helped him get his wife back, i never believed this would work but i had no choice that to get in contact with the spell caster which i did, and he requested for my information and that of my husband to enable him cast the spell and i sent him the details, but after two days, my mom called me that my husband came pleading that he wants me back, i never believed it because it was just like a dream and i had to rush down to my mothers place and to my greatest surprise, my husband was kneeling before me pleading for forgiveness that he wants me and the kid back home, then i gave Happy a call regarding sudden change of my husband and he made it clear to me that my husband will love me till the end of the world, that he will never leave my sight. Now me and my husband is back together again and has started doing pleasant things he hasn't done before, he makes me happy and do what he is suppose to do as a man without nagging. Please if you need help of any kind, kindly contact Happy for help and you can reach him via email: happylovespell2@gmail.com
ReplyDeleteHi, I am a USA citizen, am here to testify how i got my Ex back with the help of this God-sent called Dr Unity for the great things he has done in my life.. First of all i want to thank mareen for the post she made on how Dr Unity helped her in bringing back her lover. At first when i saw the posting i was so happy and in the other hand so scared,That this might not be real, Then i decided to give it a try in which i contacted Dr Unity and told him how my lover left me for another lady for the past 3years and i have been lonely and depressed without him,So i asked him if he has helped anyone called mareen and he said yes, that was the lady he helped in bringing back her lover. I said good and i told him that if he can help me in bringing back my own lover,He laughed and said once i have contacted him that my problem will be solved.He said that my lover will be back to me within 48hours, Truly when the 48hours was completed i got a text from someone saying am sorry, then i decided to call the number i saw it was my lover Steve voice.i was so happy he was begging me and crying on phone, That he is ready to do anything that will make me happy in life,So i told him to come over which he did,As he was coming he came with a brand new Car as gift. i am so happy today with the help of Dr Unity. He has proven to me that he is not going to leave me for another lady again and stay with me forever, Am so happy today and am also thanking mareen for posting this early.Dr Unity you are truly a man of your word. He can also any kind of sickness and he can solve any kind of problems in this world. Friends i believe Dr Unity is a man to trust and believe on. You don't need to cry anymore Dr Unity has been sent to clean our tears you can contact him on his Email: Unityspelltemple@gmail.com or cell phone +2348072370762.
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ReplyDeleteMy husband broke up with me last week, i was so frustrated and i could not know what next to do again, i love my husband so much but he was cheating on me with another woman and this makes him broke up with me so that he can be able to get marry to the other lady and this lady i think use witchcraft on my husband to make him hate me and my kids and this was so critical and uncalled-for,I cry all day and night for God to send me a helper to get back my man until i went to NY to see a friend and who was having the same problem with me but she latter got her Husband back and i asked her how she was able to get her husband back and she told me that their was a powerful spell caster in Africa name Dr.Unity that he help with love spell in getting back lost lover back, and i decided to contacted the same Dr.Unity and he told me what is needed to be done for me to have my man back and i did it although i doubted it but i did it and the Dr told me that i will get the result after 48hours, and he told me that my husband was going to call me by 9pm in my time and i still doubted his word, to my surprise my husband really called me and told me that he miss me so much, Oh My God! i was so happy, and today i am happy with my man again and we are joyfully living together as one good family and i thank the powerful spell caster Dr.Unity of Unityspelltemple@gmail.com , he is so powerful and i decided to share my story on the internet that good spell casters still exist and Dr.Unity is one of the good spell caster who i will always pray to live long to help his children in the time of trouble, if you are there and your lover is turning you down, or you have your husband moved to another woman, do not cry anymore contact the powerful spell caster Dr.Unity on his email: Unityspelltemple@gmail.com .if you have any problem contact Dr.Unity, I guarantee you that he will help you. Thank you sooooo much Dr Unity.