"In 1976 Stevens nearly drowned off the coast of Malibu, California, United States, and said he shouted: "Oh, God! If you save me I will work for you." He related that right afterward a wave appeared and carried him back to shore. This brush with death intensified his long-held quest for spiritual truth. He had looked into "Buddhism, Zen, I Ching, numerology, tarot cards, and astrology".[30] Stevens' brother David Gordon brought him a copy of the Qur'an as a birthday gift from a trip to Jerusalem.[21] Stevens took to it right away, and began his transition to Islam."
What a dumb question. I'll treat you as if your a small child who is inquisitive and answer your question.ALL people care about what others think of them it's natural and there isn't anything wrong with it. My theory of mind is very poor and it's hard for me to know how others perceive me or what their going through. I'm not intentionally cruel I just lack the components of human warmth. At the same time im the most moral person I know
"My theory of mind is very poor and it's hard for me to know how others perceive me or what their going through. I'm not intentionally cruel I just lack the components of human warmth. At the same time im the most moral person I know"
Yeah, yeah I know I was pompous. OK? LOL But I had to be fair. Having ethics is *so* annoying.
Hello.... Masks? Socio are all reputation. This makes me think of Nietzsche and what I really think he meant of a superman. A real superman doesn't hide behind masks ever. He doesn't play morality games which are condescending and manipulative. He asks for what he wants unashamed.
nope, it doesnt have to be good. It can be anything. “With enough courage, you can do without a reputation.” It's like were talking about a good one. Why would it need courage it leave a bad one.
Just be a good person. Be a MAN. You don't get a prize but it's the greatest feeling to know your intent is noble. Speak the truth even if it will be unpopular. Tell all the shitty people and tyrants in your life exactly what you think of them. Don't tolerate their BS. Help the lonely and needy ones providing they aren't insane. That's the way of a manly man
I originally intended to write this comment for your "just a dick" post M.E. as a self reflection piece about my personality disorder, but I'd rather post it here instead to hear the thoughts of others.
XK's recent thoughts on upbringing/genetics effecting development of personality makes me think that may be the definite case for me actually, besides other factors that I've addressed before. As an adult looking back at my childhood and who my family members really are and what they did that may of effected my mental development, I guess could say none of it is any kind of normal. My brother turned out to be a serial killer of domesticated animals, violent towards others, a child molester and rapist. We were raised in a home by a single mother who admitted to us (or from what I remember, at least to me she said I'd never be more than "a tool, an object" to her) that she didn't really care about her children. My mother left me to be taken care of my older brother, who was an interesting influence to me in my own personal mental growth as a child. Empathy was not something I naturally had as a child even for animals (Oddly enough I believe I've had some significant change in that as I've aged actually. If I remember right M.E. you wrote a post about that animal empathy topic), so being witness to my brother's cruelty to animals naturally didn't truly phase me. A flattened kitten he left in my toy box (I remember spying upon him and watching as he'd grab of our house cat's kittens, place it under the couch cushion, and sit on it. He'd leave thr flattened corpses around the house in various places, like my toy box or under my bed), or the pet snake he stole from the next door neighbor's and ran over with the lawnmower (I remember him asking me to look at his handiwork; I have a clear memory of sitting on the grass to gaze upon the remains of the animal. I always thought of these times as rare art exhibits).
I've always assumed my mother to be a narcissist, but she arguably had psychopathic qualities herself. Pathological lying, superficial charm, clever games of deception and conniing of others to get what she wanted and needed. She'd say to me this was a normal childhood, that her parenting was better then none at all, that she wanted to be the right role model for me and my brother. Interestingly enough the end result of her parenting was a lot different then what she originally intended, and it's not that all surprising really. Looking at myself, socially adept, pathological liar, empathetically challenged, power and resource hungry... what went wrong? I'm more or less fine with my personality cemented as it is, as I seem to function well enough or have at least invested in enough ability to have some higher functioning as to not let antisociality completely control me. There may be room for change, and I'm sure there is, but if it is to be the same as always then I'm still quite fine with that, it's simply a matter of playing the game of life right. I remember someone else here saying life seems to be much like a video game to me and I suppose it kind of is, just like how love to me is just a game of cat and mouse, but the chase matters much more to me then the actual capture. The journey matters more then the destination.
"just like how love to me is just a game of cat and mouse, but the chase matters much more to me then the actual capture. The journey matters more then the destination."
This makes sense if your upbringing was as you've described. I can't imagine having a mother who was anything but unconditionally loving.
It's interesting because normally it's the destination that matters and all else is only bearable because the end is worthwhile.
I've inherited a minor tendency to be unduly cynical and indifferent at times. It's been a challenge overcoming it but I know it's for the best - coming out of sociopathy (that wasnt self-inflicted) doesn't make you a "normal" person it makes you a great person. You gain an understanding of, and an appreciation for, life that is extremely rare in the modern world.
A little struggle and you'll be better off than most people, forever. The alternative is to let your bad start end up ruining you.
Was wondering where you had gone to. Either you are a completely different ESTP 8-) or extremely straight, healthy and totally focused as never before? Did you have to go back to hospital for a bit because you messed your lungs up again? Frankly it's a miracle you weren't utterly screwed with that upbringing. But far from it. How the heck did you get so aware and sensible before reaching the age of 70??? 8-) [It wasn't my thoughts re genetics/unique environment/epigenetics BTW. Just current science research I mentioned.]
I second what XK said. I've lived thru several years of misery but I would not trade those for a different mother, certainly not a narcissistic or psychopathic one. I have a close relative who's mother is a complete psychopath - it's sad what she's done to her children, very sad. Still, God makes good come out of everything.
I see a disturbing trend among the youth where a large number glorify serial killers, extremists and the worst parts of human nature. The erosion of classic patriarchal values of discipline and honor are the cause of this in my view. If you stray away from manly virtues you end up with someone like Jonaid or the columbine weirdos. Spank your kids parents, every spank you give will stop a future little jonaid.
It is cruel to smack Aspies for being Aspies. I'm disappointed in you. Stop winding people up in that unfeeling and uncharitable way. That is *not* noble [or manly].
Hmm. This role of [insert soothing and patronising tone here]:
"people, now let's be the best we can be towards each other; and let's be careful out there"
is getting far too easy to drop into. Therapy must be working. Sigh.
"I always had a soft spot for megalomaniacal tyrants who want to take over the world."
True. Too true. Maybe there's still hope therapy won't 'take', entirely.
I'm off to watch a marathon of Jojo's bizarre adventure, then ps4 for a couple of laborious hours. Lifes so hard~
I started watching Jojo's bizarre adventure yesterday and I'm hooked. Dio Brando is the man, a great character. I always had a soft spot for megalomaniacal tyrants who want to take over the world.
Courage or carelessness? What kind of social creature are you? You say you are the wolf that deceives the flock of sheep to make them believe you are one of them. The wolf does not care what sheep think of him. We do not care what cows think of us as we eat our burger. But, we are socially connected as humans. Why should a person with a severe antisocial personality disorder care about what others think of him/her, other than for the means of achieving power? In extreme cases, the social connection is not there, you are just the means of getting what he/she wants. Nothing more.
But now you are saying that these cold hearted scavengers care, and need courage to walk alone?
I apologize, for not getting back to you sooner.:(
Yes, my husband presents (as XK would say), many sociopathic traits. He has never been evaluated, so I say "I believe" or "I think", he is a sociopath. He admits, that both he and his mother, display these traits. He has also had 2 major head traumas, like ESTP, in his life...
My husband displays intellectual, but not affective, empathy. I am not aware, of ever seeing him tear up or cry.
I appreciate you sharing, what you shared.:) I am also glad, that your husband has recovered, from alcohol and cocaine.:)
YOU AND I ARE ENERGETIC!!! POW!!! POW!!!
I agree, that our husbands are attracted to our energy.:)
There are definitely pros and cons, and it does take a long time, to learn to navigate!!!
" Women haters (unconsciously) get off on treating women badly. Every time they can put down a woman or hurt her feelings, they unconsciously feel good because deep down in their hidden brain, their bad behavior is rewarded with a dose of the pleasure chemical dopamine—which makes them want to repeat the behaviour again and again."
I don't hate women I dislike them and people in general. I'm not waiting for a special someone like some lonely autist. I found the special one and it is I. I'm the only one I need. I can't get enough of me. The more I'm around people my depression worsens. I can't fathom people's poor tastes and lack of manners. If I could I'd become a shut in and just play ps4 or wow the rest of my life and have someone slide a new game under my door once a week.
I'm a very laid back benign person but people constantly try to mess around with me. I had a teacher get real angry at me because I'm 'too laid back' as he said but now I know he was envious of my inner calm and how I could just BE. Ambition is a bad habit he couldn't break. Like a smoker envious of clean lungs his ambition envied my easy going nature.
Hi everyone, I'm so excited! Life without my boyfriend was a real mess for me,What on Earth will i do to thank Dr.Unity for his help? he is wonderful and has a good heart. He is like a God on Earth and i really do not know what to do to thank him for helping me regain my boyfriend love back with his spell. After being in relationship with my boyfriend (Andrew) for 3 years, he broke up with me, I did everything possible to bring him back but all was in vain, I wanted him back so much because of the love I have for him, I begged him with everything, I made promises but he refused. I explained my problem to someone online and she suggested that I should rather contact a spell caster that could help me cast a spell to bring him back but I am the type that never believed in spell, I had no choice than to try it, I mailed the spell caster, and he told me there was no problem that everything will be okay before two days, that my ex will return to me before two days, he cast the spell and surprisingly in the second day, it was around 4pm. My ex called me, I was so surprised, I answered the call and all he said was that he was so sorry for everything that happened, that he wanted me to return to him, that he loves me so much. I was so happy and went to him, that was how we started living together happily again. Since then, I have made promise that anybody I know that have a relationship problem, I would be of help to such person by referring him or her to the only real and powerful spell caster who helped me with my own problem and who is different from all the other ones out there. Anybody could need the help of the spell caster, like of issue of not be able to get pregnant for many years, lotto, his email is Unityspelltemple@gmail.com or call him on +2348072370762 you can email him if you need his help in your relationship or any other problem like wining lottery your problem can never remain the same again, it will turn a thing of the past in your life.I am Katy Brown, United States.
FIRST!!!
ReplyDelete~Vegas
I came across my concert T-shirt, that says:
Delete"All I Need Is A Whisper In A World That Only Shouts"
It was a good concert.:) The lead singer's voice is unique-it reminds me of Cat Stevens.:)
Song of the Day:
LetHerGo
~Vegas
2nd Song of the Day:
DeleteCat Stevens
WildWorld
Do you think the singers' voices have similarities???
M.E.-I bet you can really tell.:)
~Vegas
"In 1976 Stevens nearly drowned off the coast of Malibu, California, United States, and said he shouted: "Oh, God! If you save me I will work for you." He related that right afterward a wave appeared and carried him back to shore. This brush with death intensified his long-held quest for spiritual truth. He had looked into "Buddhism, Zen, I Ching, numerology, tarot cards, and astrology".[30] Stevens' brother David Gordon brought him a copy of the Qur'an as a birthday gift from a trip to Jerusalem.[21] Stevens took to it right away, and began his transition to Islam."
DeleteVery intriguing story.
Hi Jonaid-
DeleteI wondered if you were familiar with Steven's history, or if you would look into it-it is an interesting story.:)
Stevens goes by the name Yusuf Islam...
~Vegas
Jonaid-
DeleteHere's one for you:
Cat Stevens
MorningHasBroken
~Vegas
Do socios really care about what other folks think of them (reputation)?
ReplyDeleteYeah that's more of a narc thing...
DeleteWhat a dumb question. I'll treat you as if your a small child who is inquisitive and answer your question.ALL people care about what others think of them it's natural and there isn't anything wrong with it. My theory of mind is very poor and it's hard for me to know how others perceive me or what their going through. I'm not intentionally cruel I just lack the components of human warmth. At the same time im the most moral person I know
DeleteYou don't sound cruel. You sound insecure and apologetic for yourself.
Delete@ Adam:
Delete"My theory of mind is very poor and it's hard for me to know how others perceive me or what their going through. I'm not intentionally cruel I just lack the components of human warmth. At the same time im the most moral person I know"
Yeah, yeah I know I was pompous. OK? LOL But I had to be fair. Having ethics is *so* annoying.
XK
Hello.... Masks? Socio are all reputation. This makes me think of Nietzsche and what I really think he meant of a superman. A real superman doesn't hide behind masks ever. He doesn't play morality games which are condescending and manipulative. He asks for what he wants unashamed.
ReplyDeleteThey're all about deceiving. Not having a good reputation.
DeleteHaving a "good reputation" makes deception possible.
Deletenope, it doesnt have to be good. It can be anything.
Delete“With enough courage, you can do without a reputation.”
It's like were talking about a good one. Why would it need courage it leave a bad one.
crunchyroll and chill?
DeleteJust be a good person. Be a MAN. You don't get a prize but it's the greatest feeling to know your intent is noble. Speak the truth even if it will be unpopular. Tell all the shitty people and tyrants in your life exactly what you think of them. Don't tolerate their BS. Help the lonely and needy ones providing they aren't insane. That's the way of a manly man
ReplyDeleteIt's a tough life you've described above but someone's got to do it.
Delete[doesn't matter if you're a stick insect, still has to be done by someone]
I originally intended to write this comment for your "just a dick" post M.E. as a self reflection piece about my personality disorder, but I'd rather post it here instead to hear the thoughts of others.
ReplyDeleteXK's recent thoughts on upbringing/genetics effecting development of personality makes me think that may be the definite case for me actually, besides other factors that I've addressed before. As an adult looking back at my childhood and who my family members really are and what they did that may of effected my mental development, I guess could say none of it is any kind of normal. My brother turned out to be a serial killer of domesticated animals, violent towards others, a child molester and rapist. We were raised in a home by a single mother who admitted to us (or from what I remember, at least to me she said I'd never be more than "a tool, an object" to her) that she didn't really care about her children. My mother left me to be taken care of my older brother, who was an interesting influence to me in my own personal mental growth as a child. Empathy was not something I naturally had as a child even for animals (Oddly enough I believe I've had some significant change in that as I've aged actually. If I remember right M.E. you wrote a post about that animal empathy topic), so being witness to my brother's cruelty to animals naturally didn't truly phase me. A flattened kitten he left in my toy box (I remember spying upon him and watching as he'd grab of our house cat's kittens, place it under the couch cushion, and sit on it. He'd leave thr flattened corpses around the house in various places, like my toy box or under my bed), or the pet snake he stole from the next door neighbor's and ran over with the lawnmower (I remember him asking me to look at his handiwork; I have a clear memory of sitting on the grass to gaze upon the remains of the animal. I always thought of these times as rare art exhibits).
I've always assumed my mother to be a narcissist, but she arguably had psychopathic qualities herself. Pathological lying, superficial charm, clever games of deception and conniing of others to get what she wanted and needed. She'd say to me this was a normal childhood, that her parenting was better then none at all, that she wanted to be the right role model for me and my brother. Interestingly enough the end result of her parenting was a lot different then what she originally intended, and it's not that all surprising really. Looking at myself, socially adept, pathological liar, empathetically challenged, power and resource hungry... what went wrong? I'm more or less fine with my personality cemented as it is, as I seem to function well enough or have at least invested in enough ability to have some higher functioning as to not let antisociality completely control me. There may be room for change, and I'm sure there is, but if it is to be the same as always then I'm still quite fine with that, it's simply a matter of playing the game of life right. I remember someone else here saying life seems to be much like a video game to me and I suppose it kind of is, just like how love to me is just a game of cat and mouse, but the chase matters much more to me then the actual capture. The journey matters more then the destination.
ESTP Sociopath
"just like how love to me is just a game of cat and mouse, but the chase matters much more to me then the actual capture. The journey matters more then the destination."
DeleteThis makes sense if your upbringing was as you've described. I can't imagine having a mother who was anything but unconditionally loving.
It's interesting because normally it's the destination that matters and all else is only bearable because the end is worthwhile.
I've inherited a minor tendency to be unduly cynical and indifferent at times. It's been a challenge overcoming it but I know it's for the best - coming out of sociopathy (that wasnt self-inflicted) doesn't make you a "normal" person it makes you a great person. You gain an understanding of, and an appreciation for, life that is extremely rare in the modern world.
A little struggle and you'll be better off than most people, forever. The alternative is to let your bad start end up ruining you.
@ ESTP:
DeleteWas wondering where you had gone to. Either you are a completely different ESTP 8-) or extremely straight, healthy and totally focused as never before? Did you have to go back to hospital for a bit because you messed your lungs up again?
Frankly it's a miracle you weren't utterly screwed with that upbringing. But far from it. How the heck did you get so aware and sensible before reaching the age of 70??? 8-)
[It wasn't my thoughts re genetics/unique environment/epigenetics BTW. Just current science research I mentioned.]
XK
I second what XK said. I've lived thru several years of misery but I would not trade those for a different mother, certainly not a narcissistic or psychopathic one. I have a close relative who's mother is a complete psychopath - it's sad what she's done to her children, very sad. Still, God makes good come out of everything.
DeleteI see a disturbing trend among the youth where a large number glorify serial killers, extremists and the worst parts of human nature. The erosion of classic patriarchal values of discipline and honor are the cause of this in my view. If you stray away from manly virtues you end up with someone like Jonaid or the columbine weirdos. Spank your kids parents, every spank you give will stop a future little jonaid.
ReplyDeleteAdam,
DeleteIt is cruel to smack Aspies for being Aspies. I'm disappointed in you. Stop winding people up in that unfeeling and uncharitable way. That is *not* noble [or manly].
Hmm. This role of [insert soothing and patronising tone here]:
"people, now let's be the best we can be towards each other; and let's be careful out there"
is getting far too easy to drop into. Therapy must be working. Sigh.
"I always had a soft spot for megalomaniacal tyrants who want to take over the world."
True. Too true. Maybe there's still hope therapy won't 'take', entirely.
XK
I'm off to watch a marathon of Jojo's bizarre adventure, then ps4 for a couple of laborious hours. Lifes so hard~
ReplyDeleteI started watching Jojo's bizarre adventure yesterday and I'm hooked. Dio Brando is the man, a great character. I always had a soft spot for megalomaniacal tyrants who want to take over the world.
Courage or carelessness?
ReplyDeleteWhat kind of social creature are you?
You say you are the wolf that deceives the flock of sheep to make them believe you are one of them.
The wolf does not care what sheep think of him.
We do not care what cows think of us as we eat our burger.
But, we are socially connected as humans.
Why should a person with a severe antisocial personality disorder care about what others think of him/her, other than for the means of achieving power? In extreme cases, the social connection is not there, you are just the means of getting what he/she wants. Nothing more.
But now you are saying that these cold hearted scavengers care, and need courage to walk alone?
We all know the behaviour Adam has learnt:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-mysteries-love/201502/12-ways-spot-misogynist
I can respect some aspects of his projections here on this blog.
But other rubbish he spouts of.....
Freak off.
And how he feels so justified in his own truth. Haha!
:D
Good luck with that. Ah, hopefully he's young and he might get a bit softer around the edges with time.
Hey Superchick!!!
DeleteThank you, for sharing that article.:)
POW!!! POW!!!
I apologize, for not getting back to you sooner.:(
Yes, my husband presents (as XK would say), many sociopathic traits. He has never been evaluated, so I say "I believe" or "I think", he is a sociopath. He admits, that both he and his mother, display these traits. He has also had 2 major head traumas, like ESTP, in his life...
My husband displays intellectual, but not affective, empathy. I am not aware, of ever seeing him tear up or cry.
I appreciate you sharing, what you shared.:) I am also glad, that your husband has recovered, from alcohol and cocaine.:)
YOU AND I ARE ENERGETIC!!! POW!!! POW!!!
I agree, that our husbands are attracted to our energy.:)
There are definitely pros and cons, and it does take a long time, to learn to navigate!!!
My husband is magnificent, in many ways...
~Vegas
" Women haters (unconsciously) get off on treating women badly. Every time they can put down a woman or hurt her feelings, they unconsciously feel good because deep down in their hidden brain, their bad behavior is rewarded with a dose of the pleasure chemical dopamine—which makes them want to repeat the behaviour again and again."
ReplyDeleteSums a misogynist quite good.
I don't hate women I dislike them and people in general. I'm not waiting for a special someone like some lonely autist. I found the special one and it is I. I'm the only one I need. I can't get enough of me. The more I'm around people my depression worsens. I can't fathom people's poor tastes and lack of manners. If I could I'd become a shut in and just play ps4 or wow the rest of my life and have someone slide a new game under my door once a week.
DeleteI'm a very laid back benign person but people constantly try to mess around with me. I had a teacher get real angry at me because I'm 'too laid back' as he said but now I know he was envious of my inner calm and how I could just BE. Ambition is a bad habit he couldn't break. Like a smoker envious of clean lungs his ambition envied my easy going nature.
DeleteA short talk by Martin Lings on aspects of Sufism. To me Sufism is the antithesis and the natural cure of sociopathy.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLJI2-WJe9E
M.E.-
ReplyDeleteDo you play an instrument(s)???
~Vegas
I AM A GOD. YOUR ALL BENEATH ME. I'm the greatest person to ever exist.
ReplyDelete"I'm a very laid back benign person"
Delete"I'm 'too laid back"
DeleteHi everyone, I'm so excited!
ReplyDeleteLife without my boyfriend was a real mess for me,What on Earth will i do to thank Dr.Unity for his help? he is wonderful and has a good heart. He is like a God on Earth and i really do not know what to do to thank him for helping me regain my boyfriend love back with his spell. After being in relationship with my boyfriend (Andrew) for 3 years, he broke up with me, I did everything possible to bring him back but all was in vain, I wanted him back so much because of the love I have for him, I begged him with everything, I made promises but he refused. I explained my problem to someone online and she suggested that I should rather contact a spell caster that could help me cast a spell to bring him back but I am the type that never believed in spell, I had no choice than to try it, I mailed the spell caster, and he told me there was no problem that everything will be okay before two days, that my ex will return to me before two days, he cast the spell and surprisingly in the second day, it was around 4pm. My ex called me, I was so surprised, I answered the call and all he said was that he was so sorry for everything that happened, that he wanted me to return to him, that he loves me so much. I was so happy and went to him, that was how we started living together happily again. Since then, I have made promise that anybody I know that have a relationship problem, I would be of help to such person by referring him or her to the only real and powerful spell caster who helped me with my own problem and who is different from all the other ones out there. Anybody could need the help of the spell caster, like of issue of not be able to get pregnant for many years, lotto, his email is Unityspelltemple@gmail.com or call him on +2348072370762 you can email him if you need his help in your relationship or any other problem like wining lottery your problem can never remain the same again, it will turn a thing of the past in your life.I am Katy Brown, United States.