Or western Europe? I'll be in Paris from 2/17-2/24, maybe other places in France just before or after, London before or after (depending on people's schedule) and maybe other places in England, if I can make it around -- again, either the week before or more probably the week after.
Also, Russia in March, although I haven't gotten any replies yet on that one, so I might have to shift that around to later.
Also, Russia in March, although I haven't gotten any replies yet on that one, so I might have to shift that around to later.
And ME's world tour rolls on.
ReplyDeletePsychopathy is a gift. Psychopaths have low anxiety, low stress, a feeling of well being and most importantly they are free of the rules and morals that are used to dictate people's lives. They act on all their impulses and desires with no fear of consequences. They are the very meaning of what it means to be truly free in this world.
ReplyDeleteBut sociopaths can be considered CURSED because they are unable to connect to other people; they will forever be strangers to the things most humans consider the essence of human life. The psycho often just ends up alienated. And most psychopaths have morals, even a self serving ethic IS a "belief". This is where most psychopaths get lost: they think that a neo-liberal/social darwinist worldview is tailor-made for them. They will pay for that in the end, they need to soften an already too cynic attitude. Old school working class ethics is what will "integrate" psychos: pay the bills, tell the truth, if a wallet is found on the street then return it to its owner etc..
ReplyDeleteNeo-liberal social darwinism FTW!
ReplyDeleteDo fat people need candy? No. Why? They just get fatter. Do socios need neo-liberalism? No. Why? It just inflates their self-obsession.
ReplyDeleteFrom England here, in the north.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous 2:19AM do you think one could have ASPD & anxiety?
Yes to A1145am from England. I feel like I have cognitive dissonance. When I do get high, I am more anti social and less anxious but in any state both are always there.
ReplyDeleteWithout wanting this to come off as at all disparaging; what is the point of this tour/travel exactly? I am based in England but I am not in London.
ReplyDeleteI met M.E. It was a worthwhile experience.
DeleteSo she just goes around meeting people? For what?
DeleteI dunno, I'm jus here to git ma evil on. They need more crazy ass websites like this.
DeleteI went to that Alciabades website as suggested, but nuttin goin on over there. I had a zillion questions for him. I mean, I know he's like the Ted Bundy of law or whatever, but he still seemed like he would be kinda fun.
DeleteWell, there wasn't a meeting agenda I was aware of. She wasn't shaping it. I'm not sure what she took from meeting me, but she did share some things she'd learnt in meeting others. I would say it's more to deepen and richen her own understanding but it's absolutely not for me to say that really. She did mention some plans, and the tour is consistent with those.
DeleteI see sociopaths as being fundamentally elusive so while I did ask, I didn't push for clarity around purpose. I like distance myself and I respect a need for elusiveness.
Where did you meet at? Where do you live?
DeleteThere was this PhD that used to hang out on sociopath community. She seemed like a lot of fun. She reminded me a lot of myself. Wish i coulda met her...she said she was a narcissist whatever that is....still haven't figured that out. Whateves, i dont care watcha are... i jus like fun, twisted people haha :D
DeleteWe met in Melbourne, Australia. I drove there... wanted my own escape routes, haha.
DeleteYep, I think it's a really cool thing to see the world from other perspectives. You're not a narc though??
lol omg you're so funny. I wonder how many people have met her, and like ran out scared during the meeting lol. Doesn't that green eyes chick live there? Wonder if they met. Green eyes, I still luv you for being a female rapist. I mean, i dunno that you're really my cup of tea or anything, but I still like that you're kinda rapey. I dunno, the female rapist thing just kinda does it for me.
Deletehmmm what is a narc? Is that a high functioning borderline? I still don't understand why everyone got away from the original conceptualization of narcissism.
Delete"and like ran out scared during the meeting lol."
DeleteHave you ever done that?
The paper covered narcissism pretty nicely: fragile sense of self, admiration seeking, control seeking / domineering.
DeleteNo, but I've always had an interest in darker topics. I've always tried to engage people in discussions about things like this but they are either never really interested in it, or they become emotional and irate, and drone on and on about how people should behave. They almost want to sweep it all under the rug, and pretend like it doesn't happen. I'm not even a sociopath, and just the mere mention of it makes people spaz out. How must it feel for a lot of people to meet someone that says they are a sociopath? She went on Dr. Phil, and talked about killing babies! Did you see the audiences reaction? People hate this stuff. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that someone left in the middle of their meeting a little freaked out.
DeleteI think what people on the net are calling narcissism is what a lot of psychologists would say is a high functioning borderline.
DeleteThere is a lot of less-than-useful but easier-for-some-to-consume narrative on the Net. I tend to appropriate models I find useful and discard the rest.
DeleteOh, you might like this video:
DeleteOur Secret Fantasies [VIDEO: 4:37]. I really like this one. I do allow myself to enjoy the darker thoughts I have for what they are worth i.e. as self expressions rather than intentions.
Someone here once wrote: they're just thoughts. That's a liberating view.
Yes, a good violent fantasy can be quite cathartic.
DeleteWhat happens when self-labeled sociopaths meet each other? Does a Who-is-the-Baddest-Stereotype contest begin? Do they stare silently at each other? Do some come in long, black overcoats (and sunglasses indoors)?
DeleteI was wondering what that's like too. Does she meets other sociopaths, and what is that like?
Deletelike i can imagine a borderline and a sociopath hanging out, and can imagine the dynamics of that....they prolly get caught in each other's orbit all the time...but what's it likes when two sociopaths hang out
DeleteSo she just goes around meeting people? For what?
DeleteShe's gone full supervillain. She's interviewing for henchmen.
Maybe it's similar to what happens here. When a new commenter comes along, they test the hierarchy by assuming dominance or trying to put others off balance. I enjoy watching this process. But in person it would depend on what, if anything, is at stake I suppose.
Delete"Does a Who-is-the-Baddest-Stereotype contest begin?"
A psychopath on client site once listed his badass deeds for me. I've seen another test people, throw them off balance. It really would be fun to see the two of these blokes together with something on the line.
"I was wondering what that's like too. Does she meets other sociopaths, and what is that like?"
DeleteI think she enjoyed meeting other sociopaths. She said she gained a better understanding of the diversity among sociopathic individuals. I guess she'll share her thoughts at some point. M.E. asked to meet **-* and I started that convo with him but it wasn't going anywhere.
i jus wanna be a fly on the wall and see what thats like
Deleteanyway, i jus wanna hang out with a sociopath to go burn some buildings down, or go blow some shit up....im taking applications if anyone is interested ...only the violent, deeply pathological sociopaths need apply....haha jkjk, but damn that would be fun!!
Deleteoh and we'll recruit Green eyes so she can go rape some people
Deletepuppy basket can join in on the fun too if she wants
DeleteI'm JUS KIDDING about all that! I have an AMAZING life, and I don't wanna ruin it. I live right on the ocean in a tropical paradise. I'm in to business and networking...have kind of a type a personality. Obsessed with business and success blah blah blah....just occasionally burning down a building sounds like a good idea
DeleteI joined an NPD group once on wastebook, but I didn't have the trailer park skills to survive it. If I could just have some time to hone my trailer park skills, I might be able to do better. As it stands tho, I got my ass handed to me.
DeleteHi I would like to know if someone with Social anxiety disorder can be a sociopath.
ReplyDeleteI mean, if you pride yourself on bein a little antisocial or whatever, you don't gotta be a sociopath to be a lil antisocial. Jus think of personality disorder like the Shakira song, "Rules". The lyrics are, "We're all branches of the same old tree". All the branches are gonna look a little bit different, but they're all kinda stemming from the same place. It's like the Adams Family. Everyone is kinda....cousins. Are you exactly like your cousins? No. But they're still family. Awww big Adams family group hug everybody :D
DeleteActually now that I’m thinking about it, personality disorders are more like that movie, 13 Ghosts, and Sociopathworld is Ocularis Infernum which is kinda weird considering the author claims to be mormon which always trips me out since I was raised mormon....I know, I know, no laughing }:[
DeleteSpeaking of mormons, did anyone ever see the movie Orgazmo? omg so funny. Satirizes the mormon religion. I hope I don't get serial killed for making fun of the mormon religion on the mormon lady's psychopathic website. My family is mormon, so I get to make fun of it.
Delete"I am now cynical, fairly rich ... lonely, depressed, and totally pessimistic."-Patricia Highsmith
ReplyDeleteI just liked the part about being fairly rich....anyway, I like that a female wrote The Talented Mr. Ripley...that's pretty cool
DeleteStrange movie (ttmr) where an ordinary (but criminal) character kills the rich psychopath. Almost as weird as the Dark Knight movie where a sociopath villain character appears with painted face. Why would an icy, hyper-rational character appear like somebody from an asylum?
DeleteI liked the joker in the Dark Night. Yea, The Talented Mr. Ripley was a little strange, but like I said, the fact that a female wrote it, that's pretty awesome. I like dark, twisted females. Apparently Patricia Highsmith was also a raging lesbo. That's pretty hot. She was pretty cute when she was young too.
DeleteThe Joker have some interesting monologues the Dark Knight flick (the interrogation room-scene and in the hospital with the Dent-character). And the money-burning scene is VERY unusual in socio-movies: fictive psychopath characters are seldom "allowed" to be indifferent to money/power.
DeleteHey guys, I'm keen for your views on this...
ReplyDeleteI've been reading a bit of Elinor Greenberg after finding her on Quora. Her basic thesis is that narcissistic, borderline and schizoid conditions are adaptations to childhood conditions, each with their own core motivations for relationships. The narcissist seeks admiration as a priority; the borderline seeks love; and the schizoid seeks safety.
Here's a link to her paper.
So, naturally, I got to thinking what the core motivation of a sociopath / psychopath would be in interpersonal relations. The word that sprung naturally to mind for me was advantage. In my experience, the sociopath / psychopath seeks to maintain advantage in social situations. I can give lots of examples.
What's your opinion, though?
Honestly, I don't really know enough about it. I never like to assume anything about other people. It's best to just ask a psycho. Maybe they'll be honest, and maybe they won't. That's the problem with sociopaths though. That's why I just listen. I never really ask too many questions from them. I feel like I get little pieces to the puzzle, but never the full picture. People are complex though. No two people are going to be the same.
DeleteBy the way, that paper was written in '98. A lot of research has been done on personality pathology since that time.
DeleteI thought this part of the paper was interesting:
DeleteWhy Did I Give the Client the Quarter?
James Masterson, the well-known writer on disorders of the self, sometimes laughingly describes how he quickly diagnoses the client through his own countertransference. He says that when he finds himself doing something extremely uncharacteristic of him, like give the client a quarter to make a phone call, he asks himself: “Why did I give him the quarter?” If he gave him the quarter because he felt sorry for him, then the client is Borderline. If he gave him the quarter because he was afraid of making him angry by saying “no”, then the client is a Narcissist. If he felt charmed out of his quarter, the client is a Psychopath. And I like to add, if the client needed the quarter, but did not ask; then the client is Schizoid.
Anyone read this Masterson chap?
It's the only mention of psychopaths in the paper. So while I think Greenberg takes some leads from Masterson, she's more interested in schizoids than psychopaths. I think her explanations of schizoid patterns fit me very well, except I would say "vulnerable self" is a more accurate descriptor than "fragile sense of self."
Also wanted to say that if I am schizoid and seek safety, what in the heck am I doing dating a psychopath? The answer is that I very quickly felt safe with him. Crazy, right? I've been trying to unravel that mystery for a few years and I think I have it now.
Engulfment is my biggest aversion, so I don't get close to anyone. Even online. I disappear.
There's zero risk of engulfment with **-*. Zero. He's self-contained. It won't rely on me for anything. And I won't rely on him. And somehow that space he naturally offers allowed me to actually see myself properly for the first time in my life and I've grown quite a lot. The intimacy we experience is physical, that works as our language.
So that's it :)
I've had those pieces of the puzzle for a while, but they've just now formed the picture for me.
Yep, I know what you mean. That's why I ask here because sometimes they do give really helpful answers. **-* wouldn't answer that question, we don't really talk about this stuff, except tangentially and usually by metaphor :p
Delete"By the way, that paper was written in '98. A lot of research has been done on personality pathology since that time."
Yeah, that is true too. But I feel like it still fits as an explanation for me, and perhaps better than other things I've read. I like her approach of de-pathologising and looking more to the organic nature of human adaptation to environment. That's much smarter and more useful than demonising people.
"I like her approach of de-pathologising and looking more to the organic nature of human adaptation to environment." mm hmm, yea I noticed in parts of the paper she almost sounded behavior analytic oriented.
DeleteThanks for the read suggestion North
ReplyDeleteNo probs, Alci. How are things with you?
DeleteThings are good. Constant motion.
DeleteAre there "events" in the USA where people can meet psychopaths, almost like gatherings where people can meet actors? If yes: do the "stars" look the part, are they dressed to look menacing? If vampires or zombies existed & some law-abiding ones were given permission to do such things, surely it would attract huge attention? Aren´t sociopaths in movies a just as notorious as film-monsters? So why would not horror-fans want to meet them?
ReplyDeleteYou were sittin around home alone, and this is what you came up with?
DeleteWith the social stigma attached, it would be unlikely many of us would actually appear. You would get a few narcs, maybe some low level soc's with nothing to lose.
DeleteThe ones you would likely wish to meet would not come. It can be problematic enough just meeting each other.
Unless of course you wish to pay us and make it worth our wild.
Mneh, I disagree, and no, not just for the sakes of it. I think that the majority of us on here, yourself included...maybe more so than most actually...have been massively influenced by ME and her book, you can be all nonchalant and above it, but you're not, even down to the mask for a book cover rip off...massively influenced. It's a chance for those who care to meet and greet someone, whom for me in particular, opened my eyes to a lot about myself.
DeleteYou're just trying to come across as cool is all.
Social stigma? Again, get over yourself a bit, why would anyone give a toss of two folks walking talking and taking in the sights?
Pay you? Alci people don't even pay you to read your book love.
I think it's a good opportunity to meet a highly influential figure in our lives, those who don't want to, don't.
Will the real sociopaths please stand up, please stand up, please stand up...haha jkjk. How come real sociopaths hardly ever comment on this site? Or they'll post like one comment, and then disappear. Dev come back! I wuved you Dev, mua mua mua....I mean, you're probably such an asshole in person, but I grew to have such deep affection for you over the net, and the like 4 comments you posted on sociopathworld. By the way, being a female, and being a total asshole is so awesome...luv it. um um not to me though..only to other people :D
ReplyDeleteHi Alci, hope all is well ;)
ReplyDeleteAll is good B, moving in every direction.
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