Many average persons will be hurt mentally just by befriending zodiac scorpios or sociopaths. Their inhuman "energies" affect the surroundings. Would most people have Death as a dinner guest? So why then would they invite somber Scorpio?
I need to hear more about this "don't interfere with anyone's agency" stuff
so basically i can go to Mormon Land murder a bunch of people but no one's allowed me to put me in jail bc putting me in jail would be relieving me of my agency?!?
or is the fact i eliminated someone's agency by murdering them mean i lose my access to my agency and then you as The Law have the right to punish me?
also i used to hang out in quora and there's a PP Bot on there who writes a lot and she was very proud to post her podcast and that thing was soooooo boring & pointless - yours is way better though pretty weird esp. the weird medical photos thing (damn, that shit's gross tho)
I found the podcast to be interesting but somewhat hypocritical. While you guys encourage taking the time to consider the circumstances and mindset that lead people to their beliefs and behaviors, you don’t make a serious attempt to understand why people who you don’t identify with may feel the way they do. For example, you’re quick to call out the staff of the school you taught for as being irrational, but isn’t it possible that their concern was based in reality? There’s a part in your book wherein you describe how you were tempted to murder someone, was in the process of pursuing the person in order to do so, and that you very well might end up in serious hot water in the future if such a situation were to arise again and you weren’t impeded. To me, as a staff that has some hand in the safety of the students that attend that school, this would be a major concern. They didn't have the right to ban you, but it seems like you brush off their actions without truly exploring the possible reasons behind them.
Of course, I have no idea what their reasoning really was, but this is still a very real possibility, and it seems like you guys just skimmed over that in favor of calling out the irrational behavior. Where, then, is this desire to understand others? Just as it’s irrational for that homeless person to not get help earlier, it was irrational for them to fire and ban you without so much as discussing things properly with you. Yet, you lend understanding to the homeless man, but not the staff. Why is that?
So much of the podcast comes off as “Some people just don’t get others, but maybe they would appreciate their differences more if they did. Anyway, I don’t get them, and they make no sense.” It feels very dismissive and, if anything, just exemplifies the same issue that you’re trying so hard to condemn.
There’s nothing wrong with criticizing someone’s actions. But what’s critical to being able to give constructive feedback is understanding the intention and thought process behind those actions. It’s easy to condemn someone, but it’s harder (yet much more effective) to understand where they’re coming from and explain why their method is ineffective. I do feel that there was some attempt to do this, as you guys talked about identity and how that can cause people to overreact, but I feel that your discussion was missing a key component overall: why identity is so important to people. It seemed like your rationalization of people’s thought process is “This person is different from me, so now I will shut off my empathy and overreact.” I’m not saying that people don’t, in fact, shut off their empathy and overreact, but that’s not a complete explanation of their thought process. Considering that you lack a sense of identity, I do understand why this would be difficult for you to speculate about. I’m honestly just surprised that no one at all addressed this in the video.
Anyway, that was just an example of how I felt that the podcast was a bit hypocritical. It just seemed to lack insight, which I also saw as an issue with your book. It makes sense to me that someone without affective empathy that also happens to lack some of the core experiences that others have would overlook the importance and value of these things. The parts of your book that discusses empathy exclusively talks of its shortcomings without giving proper attention to its utility. Now, if you’re trying to make an argument and persuade others, you’re not going to give as much attention to the opposing perspective. But, in the case of the podcast, I don’t see why this would be the case. Though you do express a need for moderation when it comes to identity, as you talked about holding your views gently and having a small identity, there’s no discussion of why identity is important. If identity is just a danger, then why not just do away with it altogether? There must be some reason that justifies moderation -- as in, justifies the notion that identity is important enough to keep but destructive enough that it need to be kept in check.
"why identity is so important to people." - in my experience of living and emotions, it is strong, longstanding emotions that PROVIDE identity. If you have attenuated or short-lived emotions you cannot have much of an Identity, or to apprehend why it even matters. That's the bit that neurotypicals don't grasp. THERE IS NO THERE THERE
" It seemed like your rationalization of people’s thought process is “This person is different from me, so now I will shut off my empathy and overreact.”" this is EXACTLY how it feels/seems. All a socio does, in lieu of an Actual Identity/basket of emotions to marinate in 24/7, is volitional choice. Socios can't grasp that you have no real choice in the matter. And you can't grasp someone HAVING a choice, because when you DO make that choice (and ppl DO, to act fake, be cruel, go against your convictions, etc) you FEEL that, too. You are aware of the gravity of the decision, because you are going against a life/personality construct that is so inescapable. For socios there's no gravitas to that moment because once again there's no there there.
"justifies the notion that identity is important enough to keep but destructive enough that it need to be kept in check." Neurotypicals have no choice. They WILL have identities whether they want to or not. Shocking how many seem to NOT want it by being obsessed with socios or getting into the Zen Mindfulness game but it must be bc of what you say - neurotypicals could do with loosening attachment to identity, and Socios could do with having more of an identity
identity curtails. That to me is mainly to the good. You can only really achieve something worthwhile in this life if you limit yourself to one narrow arena of lifestyle/expression. But that's why it also seems distasteful bc most ppl (socios or otherwise) are allergic to voluntarily adopting something that curtails choice, even if it were to the good.
The love of field and coppice Of green and shaded lanes, Of ordered woods and gardens Is running in your veins. Strong love of grey-blue distance, Brown streams and soft, dim skies I know, but cannot share it, My love is otherwise.
I love a sunburnt country, A land of sweeping plains, Of ragged mountain ranges, Of droughts and flooding rains. I love her far horizons, I love her jewel-sea, Her beauty and her terror The wide brown land for me!
The stark white ring-barked forests, All tragic to the moon, The sapphire-misted mountains, The hot gold hush of noon, Green tangle of the brushes Where lithe lianas coil, And orchids deck the tree-tops, And ferns the warm dark soil.
Core of my heart, my country! Her pitiless blue sky, When, sick at heart, around us We see the cattle die But then the grey clouds gather, And we can bless again The drumming of an army, The steady soaking rain.
Core of my heart, my country! Land of the rainbow gold, For flood and fire and famine She pays us back threefold. Over the thirsty paddocks, Watch, after many days, The filmy veil of greenness That thickens as we gaze ...
An opal-hearted country, A wilful, lavish land All you who have not loved her, You will not understand though Earth holds many splendours, Wherever I may die, I know to what brown country My homing thoughts will fly.
God save great George our king God save our noble king, God save the king! Send him victorious Happy and glorious Long to reign over us God save the king! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8KSAtos-dk
This is just a tribute! You gotta believe it! And I wish you were there! Just a matter of opinion. Ah, fuck! Good God, God lovin', So surprised to find you can't stop it. All right! All right!
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Many average persons will be hurt mentally just by befriending zodiac scorpios or sociopaths. Their inhuman "energies" affect the surroundings. Would most people have Death as a dinner guest? So why then would they invite somber Scorpio?
ReplyDelete"Thou know’st ’tis common. All that lives must die,
DeletePassing through nature to eternity."
~ Gertrude, from Hamlet
Yoann Barelli on the human thirst for risk
Self expression is almost always risky. We are most alive when we accept those types of risks; most close to death when we play it too safe.
love's gonna get you killed
Deletebut pride's gonna be the death of you
and you and me
and you and you and you and me and you
and you and you and me and you and you and you
and me
DeleteEverybody's gotta live
and everybody's gonna die
Everybody's gotta live
I think you know the reason why
Sometimes the going gets sooo good
then again it gets pretty rough
But when I have you in my arms, baby
You know I just can't, I just can't get enough.
You gotta live before you know the reason why
I need to hear more about this "don't interfere with anyone's agency" stuff
ReplyDeleteso basically i can go to Mormon Land murder a bunch of people but no one's allowed me to put me in jail bc putting me in jail would be relieving me of my agency?!?
or is the fact i eliminated someone's agency by murdering them mean i lose my access to my agency and then you as The Law have the right to punish me?
also i used to hang out in quora and there's a PP Bot on there who writes a lot and she was very proud to post her podcast and that thing was soooooo boring & pointless - yours is way better though pretty weird esp. the weird medical photos thing (damn, that shit's gross tho)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcpIsapqbAc
ReplyDeleteI found the podcast to be interesting but somewhat hypocritical. While you guys encourage taking the time to consider the circumstances and mindset that lead people to their beliefs and behaviors, you don’t make a serious attempt to understand why people who you don’t identify with may feel the way they do. For example, you’re quick to call out the staff of the school you taught for as being irrational, but isn’t it possible that
ReplyDeletetheir concern was based in reality? There’s a part in your book wherein you describe how you were tempted to murder someone, was in the process of pursuing the person in order to do so, and that you very well might end up in serious hot water in the future if such a situation were to arise again and you weren’t impeded. To me, as a staff that has some hand in the safety of the students that attend that school, this would be a major concern. They didn't have the right to ban you, but it seems like you brush off their actions without truly exploring the possible reasons behind them.
Of course, I have no idea what their reasoning really was, but this is still a very real possibility, and it seems like you guys just skimmed over that in favor of calling out the irrational behavior. Where, then, is this desire to understand others? Just as it’s irrational for that homeless person to not get help earlier, it was irrational for them to fire and ban you without so much as discussing things properly with you. Yet, you lend understanding to the homeless man, but not the staff. Why is that?
So much of the podcast comes off as “Some people just don’t get others, but maybe they would appreciate their differences more if they did. Anyway, I don’t get them, and they make no sense.” It feels very dismissive and, if anything, just exemplifies the same issue that you’re trying so hard to condemn.
There’s nothing wrong with criticizing someone’s actions. But what’s critical to being able to give constructive feedback is understanding the intention and thought process behind those actions. It’s easy to condemn someone, but it’s harder (yet much more effective) to understand where they’re coming from and explain why their method is ineffective. I do feel that there was some attempt to do this, as you guys talked about identity and how that can cause people to overreact, but I feel that your discussion was missing a key component overall: why identity is so important to people. It seemed like your rationalization of people’s thought process is “This person is different from me, so now I will shut off my empathy and overreact.” I’m not saying that people don’t, in fact, shut off their empathy and overreact, but that’s not a complete explanation of their thought process. Considering that you lack a sense of identity, I do understand why this would be difficult for you to speculate about. I’m honestly just surprised that no one at all addressed this in the video.
Anyway, that was just an example of how I felt that the podcast was a bit hypocritical. It just seemed to lack insight, which I also saw as an issue with your book. It makes sense to me that someone without affective empathy that also happens to lack some of the core experiences that others have would overlook the importance and value of these things. The parts of your book that discusses empathy exclusively talks of its shortcomings without giving proper attention to its utility. Now, if you’re trying to make an argument and persuade others, you’re not going to give as much attention to the opposing perspective. But, in the case of the podcast, I don’t see why this would be the case. Though you do express a need for moderation when it comes to identity, as you talked about holding your views gently and having a small identity, there’s no discussion of why identity is important. If identity is just a danger, then why not just do away with it altogether? There must be some reason that justifies moderation -- as in, justifies the notion that identity is important enough to keep but destructive enough that it need to be kept in check.
Venus in Furs
Delete"why identity is so important to people." - in my experience of living and emotions, it is strong, longstanding emotions that PROVIDE identity. If you have attenuated or short-lived emotions you cannot have much of an Identity, or to apprehend why it even matters. That's the bit that neurotypicals don't grasp. THERE IS NO THERE THERE
Delete" It seemed like your rationalization of people’s thought process is “This person is different from me, so now I will shut off my empathy and overreact.”" this is EXACTLY how it feels/seems. All a socio does, in lieu of an Actual Identity/basket of emotions to marinate in 24/7, is volitional choice. Socios can't grasp that you have no real choice in the matter. And you can't grasp someone HAVING a choice, because when you DO make that choice (and ppl DO, to act fake, be cruel, go against your convictions, etc) you FEEL that, too. You are aware of the gravity of the decision, because you are going against a life/personality construct that is so inescapable. For socios there's no gravitas to that moment because once again there's no there there.
"justifies the notion that identity is important enough to keep but destructive enough that it need to be kept in check." Neurotypicals have no choice. They WILL have identities whether they want to or not. Shocking how many seem to NOT want it by being obsessed with socios or getting into the Zen Mindfulness game but it must be bc of what you say - neurotypicals could do with loosening attachment to identity, and Socios could do with having more of an identity
identity curtails. That to me is mainly to the good. You can only really achieve something worthwhile in this life if you limit yourself to one narrow arena of lifestyle/expression. But that's why it also seems distasteful bc most ppl (socios or otherwise) are allergic to voluntarily adopting something that curtails choice, even if it were to the good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8MxjtRe2sA
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ReplyDeleteThe love of field and coppice
Of green and shaded lanes,
Of ordered woods and gardens
Is running in your veins.
Strong love of grey-blue distance,
Brown streams and soft, dim skies
I know, but cannot share it,
My love is otherwise.
I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror
The wide brown land for me!
The stark white ring-barked forests,
All tragic to the moon,
The sapphire-misted mountains,
The hot gold hush of noon,
Green tangle of the brushes
Where lithe lianas coil,
And orchids deck the tree-tops,
And ferns the warm dark soil.
Core of my heart, my country!
Her pitiless blue sky,
When, sick at heart, around us
We see the cattle die
But then the grey clouds gather,
And we can bless again
The drumming of an army,
The steady soaking rain.
Core of my heart, my country!
Land of the rainbow gold,
For flood and fire and famine
She pays us back threefold.
Over the thirsty paddocks,
Watch, after many days,
The filmy veil of greenness
That thickens as we gaze ...
An opal-hearted country,
A wilful, lavish land
All you who have not loved her,
You will not understand
though Earth holds many splendours,
Wherever I may die,
I know to what brown country
My homing thoughts will fly.
My Country
Do you understand me?
God save great George our king
DeleteGod save our noble king,
God save the king!
Send him victorious
Happy and glorious
Long to reign over us
God save the king!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8KSAtos-dk
This is just a tribute! You gotta believe it!
DeleteAnd I wish you were there! Just a matter of opinion.
Ah, fuck! Good God, God lovin',
So surprised to find you can't stop it.
All right! All right!
Tribute
You can't stop an avalanche
DeleteAs it races down the hill
You can try to stop the seasons, girl
But you know you never will
And you can try to stop my dancin' feet
But I just cannot stand still
'Cause the world keeps spinning
'Round and 'round
And my heart's keeping time
To the speed of sound
I was lost 'til I heard the drums
Then I found my way
'Cause you can't stop the beat