Victoria: Asian female 20s scientist married poly-amorous psychopath interview.
Hello friends!
I'm going to try to post last week's video on self as soon as I can get the slightly edited version, but here is this week's Zoom interview with Asian female 20s scientist married psychopath Victoria!
Clarification: I did not mean that being unfazed during their first-hand experience with the surgical procedures on animals makes them sociopaths, but it is a tell that they might be sociopathic-leaning and I tend to keep an eye on their work ethics, because I have dealt with a couple undergrad scientists who indeed turned out to be irresponsible and problematic - no show, euthanized the wrong rats, almost caused the whole batch to die of dehydration, fabricated data, lied when caught red-handed etc.
I have my suspicions that Phoebe Waller-Bridge, the producer of Killing Eve, is sociopathic-leaning herself or has a very close relationship to a sociopath. Go watch her shows "Fleabag" and "Crashing" and you'll get what I mean.
@Victoria I don't think psychopathic people tamper with their data more than other people. I think normal people do that because there is a lot of pressure to publish, so they just fabricate their data. I guess publishing a paper outweights the consequences there. It's the same with murderers, most murderers are not psychopaths.
When I was answering that, I was thinking about all the cases where they got caught and lost their entire career/legacy. Responding more to the incentives to do so while disregarding the detrimental consequences. I now realized since it happens so much, it has become a norm and people fear putting themselves in an disadvantaged position if they don't jump in the band wagon. So I agree with you here. It could be the psychopaths or the morons who did the outrageous tampering.
I think it could also be the opposite for psychopathic people, they don't feel the pressure or just don't care. so if something doesn't work out and can't be published they just move on and find something else. at least that is the case for me.
It's probably difficult to generalise about particular scenarios because human behaviour in any given circumstance depends so much on context.
In my view sociopathy is about patterns of behaviour across time. I think the patterns are based on:
1. Low emotionality and its consequences of reduced ability to understand intention and predict others. I would say especially that sociopathic people are likely to overestimate ill intent.
2. Boldness and disinhibition
Interestingly fraud control, security vetting and compliance disciplines all recognise the contextual pressures that drive people to bad conduct in corporate settings and these principles can be applied more broadly.
@Anon: Right on. Data tampering is not the sole/main contributor to the replication crisis anyway. In my case, I am compulsively meticulous with my data because I am obsessed with discovering the truth, so I probably pick apart my findings more than I need to. My boss isn't too fond. Go figure.
@North: Haha, I do recognize that I have a skewed worldview with blind spots. I find "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion" by Jonathan Haidt very fascinating. The metaphor of the rider (conscious mind with its rational functions and volitional power) and the elephant (all the internal presuppositions, genetic inclinations, subconscious motives, uninterrogated raw experience) provides a rather insightful explanation of human nature.
@Victoria thanks for the book recommendation, I'll check it out. You might be interested in this William Gibson quote:
You ‘know’ in your limbic brain. The seat of instinct. The mammalian brain. Deeper, wider, beyond logic. That is where advertising works, not in the upstart cortex. What we think of as ‘mind’ is only a sort of jumped-up gland, piggybacking on the reptilian brainstem and the older, mammalian mind, but our culture tricks us into recognizing it as all consciousness. The mammalian spreads continent-wide beneath it, mute and muscular, attending its ancient agenda. And makes us buy things.
Possibly the most profound and concise explanation of human behaviour I've ever encountered.
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I loved this LOL. I want to be friends with the three of you.
ReplyDeleteClarification: I did not mean that being unfazed during their first-hand experience with the surgical procedures on animals makes them sociopaths, but it is a tell that they might be sociopathic-leaning and I tend to keep an eye on their work ethics, because I have dealt with a couple undergrad scientists who indeed turned out to be irresponsible and problematic - no show, euthanized the wrong rats, almost caused the whole batch to die of dehydration, fabricated data, lied when caught red-handed etc.
ReplyDeleteI have my suspicions that Phoebe Waller-Bridge, the producer of Killing Eve, is sociopathic-leaning herself or has a very close relationship to a sociopath. Go watch her shows "Fleabag" and "Crashing" and you'll get what I mean.
ReplyDelete@Victoria I don't think psychopathic people tamper with their data more than other people. I think normal people do that because there is a lot of pressure to publish, so they just fabricate their data. I guess publishing a paper outweights the consequences there. It's the same with murderers, most murderers are not psychopaths.
ReplyDeleteWhen I was answering that, I was thinking about all the cases where they got caught and lost their entire career/legacy. Responding more to the incentives to do so while disregarding the detrimental consequences. I now realized since it happens so much, it has become a norm and people fear putting themselves in an disadvantaged position if they don't jump in the band wagon. So I agree with you here. It could be the psychopaths or the morons who did the outrageous tampering.
DeleteI think it could also be the opposite for psychopathic people, they don't feel the pressure or just don't care. so if something doesn't work out and can't be published they just move on and find something else. at least that is the case for me.
DeleteIt's probably difficult to generalise about particular scenarios because human behaviour in any given circumstance depends so much on context.
DeleteIn my view sociopathy is about patterns of behaviour across time. I think the patterns are based on:
1. Low emotionality and its consequences of reduced ability to understand intention and predict others. I would say especially that sociopathic people are likely to overestimate ill intent.
2. Boldness and disinhibition
Interestingly fraud control, security vetting and compliance disciplines all recognise the contextual pressures that drive people to bad conduct in corporate settings and these principles can be applied more broadly.
@Anon: Right on. Data tampering is not the sole/main contributor to the replication crisis anyway. In my case, I am compulsively meticulous with my data because I am obsessed with discovering the truth, so I probably pick apart my findings more than I need to. My boss isn't too fond. Go figure.
Delete@North: Haha, I do recognize that I have a skewed worldview with blind spots. I find "The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion" by Jonathan Haidt very fascinating. The metaphor of the rider (conscious mind with its rational functions and volitional power) and the elephant (all the internal presuppositions, genetic inclinations, subconscious motives, uninterrogated raw experience) provides a rather insightful explanation of human nature.
@Victoria thanks for the book recommendation, I'll check it out. You might be interested in this William Gibson quote:
DeleteYou ‘know’ in your limbic brain. The seat of instinct. The mammalian brain. Deeper, wider, beyond logic. That is where advertising works, not in the upstart cortex. What we think of as ‘mind’ is only a sort of jumped-up gland, piggybacking on the reptilian brainstem and the older, mammalian mind, but our culture tricks us into recognizing it as all consciousness. The mammalian spreads continent-wide beneath it, mute and muscular, attending its ancient agenda. And makes us buy things.
Possibly the most profound and concise explanation of human behaviour I've ever encountered.